Chatlog 2010-05-27 Data Catalog Vocabulary
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<fadi> Guest: Kate Geyer <fadi> Guest: Michael Norton 14:54:46 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #egov 14:54:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/05/27-egov-irc 14:59:01 <cygri_> cygri_ has joined #egov 15:00:08 <cygri_> zakim, who is on the phone? 15:00:08 <Zakim> sorry, cygri_, I don't know what conference this is 15:00:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see cygri_, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, Zakim, kate_geyer, fadi, cygri, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot 15:00:23 <LuigiMontanez> LuigiMontanez has joined #egov 15:01:01 <cygri_> zakim, this is dcat 15:01:43 <Zakim> sorry, cygri_, I do not see a conference named 'dcat' in progress or scheduled at this time 15:02:01 <martin> martin has joined #egov 15:02:29 <mhausenblas> Zakim, what conferences do you see? 15:02:53 <cygri> mhausenblas to the rescue! 15:03:38 <Zakim> I see Styl_XSL-FO-()11:00AM, T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM, Math_IG()10:00AM, Team_(sparql)13:55Z, WF_TF()8:00AM, W3C_(SBM TF)10:00AM, INC_Prov XG(Mappings)11:00AM, WAI_PFWG(HTML 15:03:43 <Zakim> ... TF)11:00AM, SW_RDFa()10:00AM, VB_VBWG(CCXML)11:00AM active 15:03:45 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are SW_HCLS(TransMed)11:00AM, WAI_Team()9:30AM, Team_Comm()10:30AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, GA_SVGWG()10:30AM 15:04:25 <mhausenblas> that's what I thought, yes - also http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20100527 15:04:36 <cygri> zakim, this will be egov 15:05:02 <Zakim> ok, cygri, I see T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM already started 15:05:13 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone? 15:05:14 <Zakim> - +1.323.841.aaaa 15:05:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, +1.202.742.aabb 15:05:31 <cygri> thanks mhausenblas! 15:05:35 <cygri> zakim, fadi is with me 15:05:42 <LuigiMontanez> zakim, aabb is LuigiMontanez 15:06:04 <Zakim> + +1.323.841.aacc 15:06:08 <Zakim> +fadi; got it 15:06:20 <Zakim> +LuigiMontanez; got it 15:06:25 <Zakim> +??P43 15:06:29 <Zakim> +[CTIC] 15:06:36 <cygri> zakim, ??P43 is vassilios 15:06:38 <martin> Zakim, [CTIC is martin 15:06:48 <vassilios> vassilios has joined #egov 15:06:50 <Zakim> +vassilios; got it 15:06:52 <Zakim> +martin; got it 15:06:52 <cygri> zakim, who is making noise? 15:06:58 <kate_geyer> Scribe: kate_geyer 15:07:10 <Zakim> cygri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: vassilios (15%) 15:07:44 <fadi> fadi has joined #egov 15:07:50 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone 15:07:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cygri 15:07:57 <cygri> zakim, who is on the phone? 15:07:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, LuigiMontanez, +1.323.841.aacc (muted), vassilios, martin 15:07:59 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, fadi 15:08:51 <cygri> zakim, aacc is michael 15:08:51 <Zakim> +michael; got it 15:09:37 <cygri> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-27 15:11:36 <kate_geyer> cygri: We're looking for a scribe for next week 15:12:00 <kate_geyer> ... or we can meet every two weeks 15:12:04 <vassilios> +1 15:12:06 <LuigiMontanez> +1 15:12:09 <martin> +1 15:13:02 <kate_geyer> cygri: based on the votes, the default should be every two weeks 15:13:16 <vassilios> i a mnot sure i will be either 15:14:06 <kate_geyer> cygri: Scribe for 10 June will be fadi 15:15:09 <kate_geyer> cygri: Dcat being used on data.gov.uk 15:15:42 <kate_geyer> ... vocabulary in flux, we should wait to give them detailed feedback 15:16:00 <kate_geyer> ... Any interesting developments 15:16:16 <kate_geyer> cygri: Moving to use cases and requirements 15:17:09 <kate_geyer> ... No negative feedback, several emails indicate it's fine 15:17:52 <kate_geyer> .. In terms of content the use cases are the same, but sandro and cygri moved them around as indicated last meeting 15:18:11 <vassilios> Perhpas, we could still keep it open for a while 15:18:33 <vassilios> just avoiding my mic 15:18:41 <vassilios> perhpas people could contribute 15:18:44 <vassilios> still in the page 15:18:52 <vassilios> for a week or so 15:19:09 <vassilios> lets say by next meeting (?) 15:19:49 <kate_geyer> cygri: Is it time to stop editing the document and focus on next deliverable 15:20:34 <vassilios> +1 15:20:36 <fadi> +1 15:20:36 <LuigiMontanez> +1 agree 15:20:37 <kate_geyer> Should we declare as a group that we are satisfied 15:20:42 <martin> +1 15:21:37 <kate_geyer> cygri: Make this a W3C Interest Group note 15:21:56 <kate_geyer> ... perhaps we should wait for sando's input 15:22:01 <vassilios> we need W3C feedback 15:22:24 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Vocabulary_Reference 15:22:33 <kate_geyer> cygri: Now we can move to the Vocab Reference topic 15:22:39 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/products/19 15:23:10 <kate_geyer> cygri: I've started to populate the issue tracker 15:23:41 <kate_geyer> ... the Issue tracker is for the entire Egov interest group 15:24:03 <kate_geyer> ... sandro has created a product called dcat 15:24:26 <kate_geyer> ... The link goes to issues related to the dcat product 15:24:53 <cygri> ISSUE-40 15:25:00 <kate_geyer> ... the Issue tracker is tied in with the IRC and mailing list 15:25:56 <kate_geyer> ... Sandro will explain that, but we can add through the web interface 15:26:40 <kate_geyer> cygri: I would like to go through the document, see what's there, and discuss 15:26:55 <kate_geyer> ... and then go through the open issues 15:27:21 <kate_geyer> cygri: Lokking at the Vocabulary reference now 15:28:14 <kate_geyer> s/Lokking/looking 15:29:23 <Mike> Mike has joined #egov 15:29:31 <kate_geyer> cygri: Introduction, then overview will have diagram 15:30:31 <kate_geyer> ... a separate section explaining literals and resources 15:31:24 <kate_geyer> ... Last section is on extending the vocabulary and best practices 15:32:44 <kate_geyer> ... Within each class, the doc explains the properties and includes a usage note 15:33:25 <kate_geyer> cygri: Any thoughts/feedback? 15:34:17 <kate_geyer> cygri: Should this outline/general structure remain? 15:34:30 <kate_geyer> ... Would everyone be happy with that? 15:34:31 <LuigiMontanez> I need a bit more time to digest, but have no objections as I review it now 15:34:53 <Mike> Looks interesting--great work 15:35:03 <martin> +1 ( I like the document ) 15:35:04 <kate_geyer> +1 15:35:52 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/products/19 15:36:01 <kate_geyer> cygri: No objections to the structure. I would like to look at the open issues 15:36:50 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/37 15:36:55 <kate_geyer> cygri: First issue is ACTION-37 15:38:45 <kate_geyer> ... regarding the use of a string vs. a URI 15:39:23 <kate_geyer> ... for dct:publisher, dct:accrualPeriodicity, ... 15:40:32 <kate_geyer> fadi: some references are inconsistent 15:41:04 <kate_geyer> cygri: we can encourage the use of a resource 15:43:03 <kate_geyer> cygri: the problem is the requirement to make it easy to apply to existing catalogs 15:43:28 <kate_geyer> ... we will not get better data than already exists in the catalog 15:44:11 <kate_geyer> cygri: I will ask Ed if he has any recommendation on this 15:44:23 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/38 15:44:30 <kate_geyer> cygri: Moving to Issue 38 15:46:41 <kate_geyer> cygri: This is regarding a single dataset with multiple downloads 15:48:13 <kate_geyer> ... The URI of the Distribution would be the download itself 15:49:05 <kate_geyer> fadi: In most of the catalogs, the dataset might not have a download file 15:49:23 <kate_geyer> ... The data can be reached by following a URL 15:50:29 <kate_geyer> cygri: fadi, can you respond to this on the email list 15:50:44 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/39 15:52:35 <kate_geyer> fadi: Many catalogs have an RSS link, web service, etc. where access can be automated 15:53:55 <kate_geyer> fadi: The decision was that subclasses were appropriate 15:54:25 <kate_geyer> cygri: The issue is that information would be lost 15:54:33 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/issues/40 15:55:39 <kate_geyer> fadi: Only data.go.uk makes this distinction 15:56:38 <kate_geyer> cygri: The problem is that if these catalogs have a generic granularity field, it can be hard to distinguish 15:57:41 <kate_geyer> cygri: The proposal is to add these to dcat 15:57:57 <kate_geyer> ... in addition to dcat:granularity 15:59:20 <kate_geyer> cygri: There will always be this question of adding to dcat or not 15:59:50 <kate_geyer> cygri: The last issue will be skipped in the interest of time 16:01:49 <kate_geyer> cygri: Many things to do on this document and pieces to take responsibility for 16:02:05 <kate_geyer> Anything else? 16:02:30 <vassilios> thanks 16:02:34 <martin> Thank you. Bye 16:02:34 <kate_geyer> Thanks! # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000164