eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 17 February 2010

Present
Brand Niemann, Cory Casanave, Daniel Bennett, Ed Summers, John Sheridan, Rachel Flagg, Sandro Hawke, Chris Beer, Ken Fischer
Chair
Sandro Hawke
Scribe
Ed Summers
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
<sandro> PRESENT: Brand_Niemann, Cory_Casanave, Daniel_Bennett, Ed_Summers, John_Sheridan, Rachel_Flagg, Sandro_Hawke, Chris_Beer, Ken_Fischer
<sandro> Chair: sandro
12:57:55 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-egov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/02/17-egov-irc

12:58:03 <sandro> rrsagent, make logs public

Sandro Hawke: rrsagent, make logs public

12:58:12 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov

12:58:12 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

12:59:07 <sandro> Good morning, Daniel.   The bridge and IRC channel are all set up.

Sandro Hawke: Good morning, Daniel. The bridge and IRC channel are all set up.

12:59:09 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has now started

12:59:16 <Zakim> + +1.202.449.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.449.aaaa

12:59:45 <Daniel_Bennett> aaaa is Daniel Bennett

Daniel Bennett: aaaa is Daniel Bennett

13:03:27 <Daniel_Bennett> wondering if 8am is that sweet spot of commuting time on East Coast US, sleepy time on West Coast US, and commute or busy time in Europe, and just all around inconvenient time.

Daniel Bennett: wondering if 8am is that sweet spot of commuting time on East Coast US, sleepy time on West Coast US, and commute or busy time in Europe, and just all around inconvenient time.

13:05:15 <sandro> Could be.    It was the best time on the survey, but not a lot of people answered the servey.

Sandro Hawke: Could be. It was the best time on the survey, but not a lot of people answered the servey.

13:05:49 <sandro> And the meeting announcement might not have made the strongest Be There! statement.  :-)

Sandro Hawke: And the meeting announcement might not have made the strongest Be There! statement. :-)

13:06:01 <Zakim> + +1.202.236.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.236.aabb

13:06:06 <Daniel_Bennett> good point. need better marketing

Daniel Bennett: good point. need better marketing

13:06:28 <Daniel_Bennett> who is aabb?

Daniel Bennett: who is aabb?

13:06:50 <sandro> whoever is on the phone with you.....

Sandro Hawke: whoever is on the phone with you.....

13:06:58 <Daniel_Bennett> cant hear them

Daniel Bennett: cant hear them

13:07:08 <sandro> Ah.   Strange.

Sandro Hawke: Ah. Strange.

13:07:47 <Daniel_Bennett> hi brand nieman

Daniel Bennett: hi brand nieman

13:08:21 <Daniel_Bennett> brand is aabb

Daniel Bennett: brand is aabb

13:08:34 <sandro> zakim, aabb is brand

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aabb is brand

13:08:34 <Zakim> +brand; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +brand; got it

13:10:02 <Daniel_Bennett> Chris are you there?

Daniel Bennett: Chris are you there?

13:13:04 <Zakim> -brand

Zakim IRC Bot: -brand

13:13:38 <Zakim> +brand

Zakim IRC Bot: +brand

13:19:35 <Daniel_Bennett> Agenda Introductions (5 min) Discussion of Scope and Interests of Participants(10 min) Discussion of Statement of Work for this Project (10) Identifying Resources and Project Management for this Project (10) Work on First Project Step (15 min)

(No events recorded for 5 minutes)

Daniel Bennett: Agenda Introductions (5 min) Discussion of Scope and Interests of Participants(10 min) Discussion of Statement of Work for this Project (10) Identifying Resources and Project Management for this Project (10) Work on First Project Step (15 min)

13:19:50 <Daniel_Bennett> Agenda #1

Daniel Bennett: Agenda #1

13:20:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: hi

Brand Niemann: hi [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

13:20:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel:hi

Daniel Bennett: hi [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

13:20:53 <Daniel_Bennett> agenda #2

Daniel Bennett: agenda #2

13:27:09 <Daniel_Bennett> per an email adding license rights

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Daniel Bennett: per an email adding license rights

13:27:30 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: suggest we use an information model - data model

Brand Niemann: suggest we use an information model - data model [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

13:28:13 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: info model includes topic and sub-topic and the data model includes data table and data elements

Brand Niemann: info model includes topic and sub-topic and the data model includes data table and data elements [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

13:28:24 <Daniel_Bennett> agenda #2

Daniel Bennett: agenda #2

13:28:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: for data also consider metadata

Brand Niemann: for data also consider metadata [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

13:30:42 <brand> http://federaldata.wik.is/Statistical_Abstract_of_the_United_States:_2009

Brand Niemann: http://federaldata.wik.is/Statistical_Abstract_of_the_United_States:_2009

13:31:43 <Daniel_Bennett> hello

Daniel Bennett: hello

13:34:21 <brand> test

Brand Niemann: test

13:42:22 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: use Statistical Abstract for metadata tagging

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Brand Niemann: use Statistical Abstract for metadata tagging [ Scribe Assist by Daniel Bennett ]

13:45:50 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

13:45:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.449.aaaa, brand

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.202.449.aaaa, brand

13:47:19 <edsu> sandro: is Zakim all set up for scribing? i guess we are using CommonScribe eh? http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/

Sandro Hawke: is Zakim all set up for scribing? i guess we are using CommonScribe eh? http://www.w3.org/2009/CommonScribe/ [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

13:47:29 <sandro> Yep.

Sandro Hawke: Yep.

13:48:17 <Chris> Hey all - I'm here. Not sure how long.

Chris Beer: Hey all - I'm here. Not sure how long.

13:48:18 <sandro> for the scribe, you can treat it the same as scribe.perl.

Sandro Hawke: for the scribe, you can treat it the same as scribe.perl.

13:48:43 <sandro> Chris, will you be able to call in during the meeting, or only be here on IRC?

Sandro Hawke: Chris, will you be able to call in during the meeting, or only be here on IRC?

13:48:57 <Chris> only IRC tonight

Chris Beer: only IRC tonight

13:49:46 <Chris> (annoying yes, but if I have to call in, I'll keep it to the Web Tech call)

Chris Beer: (annoying yes, but if I have to call in, I'll keep it to the Web Tech call)

13:50:48 <Zakim> - +1.202.449.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.202.449.aaaa

13:50:50 <Zakim> -brand

Zakim IRC Bot: -brand

13:50:50 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM has ended

13:50:52 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.202.449.aaaa, +1.202.236.aabb, brand

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.202.449.aaaa, +1.202.236.aabb, brand

13:51:03 <Daniel_Bennett> finished the DataMgmt meeting

Daniel Bennett: finished the DataMgmt meeting

13:51:58 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov

13:51:58 <Zakim> "egov" matches T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM, and T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: "egov" matches T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM, and T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, sandro

13:52:03 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov()

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov()

13:52:03 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

13:55:28 <edsu> brb

Ed Summers: brb

13:59:22 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started

13:59:27 <Zakim> +[LC]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC]

13:59:29 <Zakim> + +1.703.994.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.703.994.aaaa

13:59:36 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu

Ed Summers: Zakim, LC is edsu

13:59:36 <Zakim> +edsu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +edsu; got it

14:00:43 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:00:51 <Zakim> + +1.509.464.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.464.aabb

14:01:20 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is Ken

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is Ken

14:01:20 <Zakim> +Ken; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ken; got it

14:01:26 <sandro> zakim, aabb is Rachel

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aabb is Rachel

14:01:26 <Zakim> +Rachel; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rachel; got it

14:01:39 <Zakim> +Cory

Zakim IRC Bot: +Cory

14:02:06 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Feb/0080.html

Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Feb/0080.html

14:03:05 <sandro> scribe: edsu

(Scribe set to Ed Summers)

14:05:13 <sandro> zakim, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here?

14:05:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ken, edsu, Sandro, Rachel, Cory

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ken, edsu, Sandro, Rachel, Cory

14:05:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rachel, Cory, edsu, Daniel_Bennett, RRSAgent, Zakim, Chris, mhausenblas, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Rachel, Cory, edsu, Daniel_Bennett, RRSAgent, Zakim, Chris, mhausenblas, trackbot, sandro

14:07:15 <edsu> Topic: Administration

1. Administration

14:07:40 <edsu> sandro: next meeting in two weeks, any scribe volunteers?

Sandro Hawke: next meeting in two weeks, any scribe volunteers?

14:07:58 <edsu> Cory: i can do that one

Cory Casanave: i can do that one

14:08:00 <sandro> next scribe: Cory

Sandro Hawke: next scribe: Cory

14:08:24 <edsu> Topic: Action Item Review

2. Action Item Review

14:08:39 <Zakim> +??P21

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21

14:08:57 <sandro> zakim, ??P21 is John

Sandro Hawke: zakim, ??P21 is John

14:08:57 <Zakim> +John; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +John; got it

14:09:07 <sandro> action-98?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-98?

14:09:07 <trackbot> ACTION-98 -- Cory Casanave to ask sandro re lobbying efforts (F2F, etc.) within W3C -- due 2010-02-18 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-98 -- Cory Casanave to ask sandro re lobbying efforts (F2F, etc.) within W3C -- due 2010-02-18 -- OPEN

14:09:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/98

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/98

14:10:08 <edsu> Cory: one of the suggestions was to have more face-to-face lobbying efforts, more of an action item for thursday

Cory Casanave: one of the suggestions was to have more face-to-face lobbying efforts, more of an action item for thursday

14:10:11 <sandro> action-99?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-99?

14:10:11 <trackbot> ACTION-99 -- Cory Casanave to propose a mission statement for our project -- due 2010-02-18 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-99 -- Cory Casanave to propose a mission statement for our project -- due 2010-02-18 -- OPEN

14:10:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/99

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/99

14:10:28 <edsu> sandro: i guess that's a thursday thing

Sandro Hawke: i guess that's a thursday thing

14:10:47 <edsu> sandro: will make sure there's a way to mark actions for subgroups

Sandro Hawke: will make sure there's a way to mark actions for subgroups

14:10:59 <edsu> Topic: General Announcements, News

3. General Announcements, News

14:11:14 <edsu> Cory: been pretty quiet the last week

Cory Casanave: been pretty quiet the last week

14:11:17 <johnlsheridan> q+

John Sheridan: q+

14:11:24 <sandro> ack johnlsheridan

Sandro Hawke: ack johnlsheridan

14:11:46 <edsu> johnlsheridan: i went to an event by the danish gov't on open data

John Sheridan: i went to an event by the danish gov't on open data

14:12:33 <edsu> ... probably about 150 people there. There was a guy from ActionAmerica in the US. Audience was a mixture of officials and open data entrepeneurs ; interesting to see the agenda played through another nation state

... probably about 150 people there. There was a guy from ActionAmerica in the US. Audience was a mixture of officials and open data entrepeneurs ; interesting to see the agenda played through another nation state

14:13:09 <sandro> johnlsheridan: mixture of US-style innovation/apps, alongside offical long-term stuff

John Sheridan: mixture of US-style innovation/apps, alongside offical long-term stuff [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:13:40 <edsu> ... lots of demonstrations, rapid innovation alongside longer-term strategic thinkng. Interesting to see the same dynamic as in the UK: web2.0 and reference data

... lots of demonstrations, rapid innovation alongside longer-term strategic thinkng. Interesting to see the same dynamic as in the UK: web2.0 and reference data

14:13:47 <sandro> johnlsheridan: In Denmark, same conversation I'm used to, with Web2.0 meets Official Reference/Mandate stuff.

John Sheridan: In Denmark, same conversation I'm used to, with Web2.0 meets Official Reference/Mandate stuff. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:14:23 <edsu> johnlsheridan: we've got a linked data meetup in london on the 24th. we're going to be talking about work we've been doing at data.gov.uk

John Sheridan: we've got a linked data meetup in london on the 24th. we're going to be talking about work we've been doing at data.gov.uk

14:15:09 <sandro> johnlsheridan: "get real" : be practical in approaches, overcoming perceived complexity barriers.

John Sheridan: "get real" : be practical in approaches, overcoming perceived complexity barriers. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:15:13 <edsu> one thing i'm going to be saying is the 'get real' message, how to we overcome the perceived and actual complexity of moving to a linked data paradigm, and how the community can help us do that

one thing i'm going to be saying is the 'get real' message, how to we overcome the perceived and actual complexity of moving to a linked data paradigm, and how the community can help us do that

14:15:28 <edsu> ... about 170 people have signed up

... about 170 people have signed up

14:15:35 <edsu> johnlsheridan++

johnlsheridan++

14:15:54 <edsu> Topic: Project Group Checkin

4. Project Group Checkin

<sandro> Subtopic: LD Outreach

4.1. LD Outreach

14:16:21 <edsu> Cory: we just had our initial get-together for project 1 & 2 joint meeting

Cory Casanave: we just had our initial get-together for project 1 & 2 joint meeting

14:16:56 <Cory> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Linked_Data

Cory Casanave: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Linked_Data

14:17:02 <Zakim> + +1.202.449.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.449.aacc

14:17:12 <Chris> How many on the call?

Chris Beer: How many on the call?

14:17:16 <edsu> ... a lot of the discussion was about setting our charter

... a lot of the discussion was about setting our charter

14:17:17 <Daniel_Bennett> aacc is Daniel Bennett

Daniel Bennett: aacc is Daniel Bennett

14:17:30 <Cory> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Outreach_Project

Cory Casanave: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Outreach_Project

14:17:32 <edsu> ... there is an outreach project page where we have a charter

... there is an outreach project page where we have a charter

14:17:56 <edsu> ... we're going to try to get some of the web-apps together

... we're going to try to get some of the web-apps together

14:18:24 <edsu> ... outreach resonated with people, we were thinking we might organize things under that

... outreach resonated with people, we were thinking we might organize things under that

14:18:38 <edsu> ... hope we can get the larger group working on the assets

... hope we can get the larger group working on the assets

14:18:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel

Daniel Bennett: Daniel

14:18:52 <sandro> zakim, aacc is Daniel_Bennett

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aacc is Daniel_Bennett

14:18:52 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Daniel_Bennett; got it

<sandro> Subtopic: LD Demo

4.2. LD Demo

14:19:12 <edsu> sandro: on the third project, george is travling, and corey is going to summarize

Sandro Hawke: on the third project, george is travling, and corey is going to summarize

14:19:55 <edsu> Cory: we didn't talk as much about the focus of the demo, but we did have a great tour of the RPI open egov data project

Cory Casanave: we didn't talk as much about the focus of the demo, but we did have a great tour of the RPI open egov data project

14:19:58 <Cory> http://tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Linking_Open_Data

Cory Casanave: http://tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Linking_Open_Data

14:20:11 <sandro> and http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demos

Sandro Hawke: and http://data-gov.tw.rpi.edu/wiki/Demos

14:20:17 <Daniel_Bennett> oh no, the coppers are coming

Daniel Bennett: oh no, the coppers are coming

14:20:19 <sandro> zakim, who is making noise?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is making noise?

14:20:29 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (25%), Cory (45%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (25%), Cory (45%)

14:20:37 <johnlsheridan> It was me!

John Sheridan: It was me!

14:20:39 <johnlsheridan> Sorry

John Sheridan: Sorry

14:21:04 <edsu> Cory: they already have gov't demos in place, so we were talking about linking across these demos

Cory Casanave: they already have gov't demos in place, so we were talking about linking across these demos

14:21:26 <edsu> Cory: i encourage you to take a look at some of the demos on the tetherless world website ; the hope being we could integrate with that

Cory Casanave: i encourage you to take a look at some of the demos on the tetherless world website ; the hope being we could integrate with that

14:21:44 <sandro> Chris: quick report?

Chris Beer: quick report? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:21:47 <edsu> sandro: chris is on irc for the next group

Sandro Hawke: chris is on irc for the next group

<sandro> Subtopic: Web Tech

4.3. Web Tech

14:28:59 <Chris> Quick report from my end:

(No events recorded for 7 minutes)

Chris Beer: Quick report from my end:

14:29:29 <Chris> We've got our project page set up. Been adding resources to both that page and Social Media as well.

Chris Beer: We've got our project page set up. Been adding resources to both that page and Social Media as well.

14:29:55 <edsu> sandro: Brian sent his regrets btw, the plan is to put together a list of the top-10 best practices for social media

Sandro Hawke: Brian sent his regrets btw, the plan is to put together a list of the top-10 best practices for social media

14:30:32 <Chris> Going to have some initial issues will handling call until I get VoIP properly set up. Apparently call planned for today (2 1/2 hours time) - ....(more)

Chris Beer: Going to have some initial issues will handling call until I get VoIP properly set up. Apparently call planned for today (2 1/2 hours time) - ....(more)

<sandro> Subtopic: Data Management

4.4. Data Management

14:22:09 <edsu> sandro: lets talk about data management group

Sandro Hawke: lets talk about data management group

14:22:28 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: i posted up the agenda for the first meeting

Daniel Bennett: i posted up the agenda for the first meeting

14:22:35 <edsu> ... on the wiki

... on the wiki

14:23:17 <edsu> ... brand and joe were happy w/ it ; both are working on the metadata portion of it ; how to help governments include metadata for their documents ; that's something that brand will help w/ best practices

... brand and joe were happy w/ it ; both are working on the metadata portion of it ; how to help governments include metadata for their documents ; that's something that brand will help w/ best practices

14:23:42 <edsu> ... 8 am is a tough time to get people on the west coast of the US

... 8 am is a tough time to get people on the west coast of the US

14:24:04 <edsu> ... does anyone on the call have problem with an 8AM EST time?

... does anyone on the call have problem with an 8AM EST time?

14:24:20 <edsu> sandro: might make sense to a doodle poll?

Sandro Hawke: might make sense to a doodle poll?

14:24:40 <edsu> ... hard to tell who is interested in these calls, only 5 responses to the poll about meeting times

... hard to tell who is interested in these calls, only 5 responses to the poll about meeting times

14:24:54 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: maybe i can do a separate poll, and have them pick times they can attend

Daniel Bennett: maybe i can do a separate poll, and have them pick times they can attend

14:25:00 <edsu> sandro: yeah, that makes sense

Sandro Hawke: yeah, that makes sense

14:25:37 <Chris> sorry - was looking up Skype :)

Chris Beer: sorry - was looking up Skype :)

14:26:12 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: if you want to make a comment on your blog we can aggregate those, or you can contribute to the wiki

Daniel Bennett: if you want to make a comment on your blog we can aggregate those, or you can contribute to the wiki

14:26:36 <edsu> ... i think some people have forgotten how to login, sandro can you send out something summarizing how people can use the wiki

... i think some people have forgotten how to login, sandro can you send out something summarizing how people can use the wiki

14:26:54 <edsu> sandro: can you send me an email detailing what i need to say?

Sandro Hawke: can you send me an email detailing what i need to say?

14:26:56 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: sure

Daniel Bennett: sure

14:27:17 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: i can put up the notes

Daniel Bennett: i can put up the notes

14:27:26 <edsu> sandro: i already put up the notes from this morning

Sandro Hawke: i already put up the notes from this morning

14:27:34 <Chris> q+

Chris Beer: q+

14:27:39 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects

14:27:53 <edsu> sandro: i've been linking the notes from the meetings column

Sandro Hawke: i've been linking the notes from the meetings column

14:28:06 <edsu> ... if you want to update those that's fine

... if you want to update those that's fine

14:28:09 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: that's great

Daniel Bennett: that's great

<sandro> Subtopic: Organizational Issues

4.5. Organizational Issues

14:30:33 <edsu> sandro: any other thoughts on the projects? they seem to be starting smaller, hopefully we'll have an atmosphere where people are welcome to join later when they something useful/interesting

Sandro Hawke: any other thoughts on the projects? they seem to be starting smaller, hopefully we'll have an atmosphere where people are welcome to join later when they something useful/interesting

14:31:07 <Chris> Could either delay till around early March - give SM and DM a chance to get rolling (that way can avoid doubling on overlapping work)

Chris Beer: Could either delay till around early March - give SM and DM a chance to get rolling (that way can avoid doubling on overlapping work)

14:31:28 <Chris> or with a volunteer, could kick it off today - initial is only going to be as others - planning rough direction.

Chris Beer: or with a volunteer, could kick it off today - initial is only going to be as others - planning rough direction.

14:31:29 <edsu> sandro: we had almost 30 people indicate interest in the linkeddata, but not all of them showing up on the calls, trying to brainstorm about ideas to bring them in

Sandro Hawke: we had almost 30 people indicate interest in the linkeddata, but not all of them showing up on the calls, trying to brainstorm about ideas to bring them in

14:31:52 <edsu> Cory: i had some trouble w/ invites -- i only saw one invite

Cory Casanave: i had some trouble w/ invites -- i only saw one invite

14:31:55 <Chris> Will have a dedicated discussion forum set up on my personal site by end of week.

Chris Beer: Will have a dedicated discussion forum set up on my personal site by end of week.

14:32:26 <edsu> sandro: people are being sort of ad hoc in the invitations

Sandro Hawke: people are being sort of ad hoc in the invitations

14:32:30 <Chris> Hopefully planning most work on discussion forum, Telecons to vote/move on results from forum, wiki to publish output.

Chris Beer: Hopefully planning most work on discussion forum, Telecons to vote/move on results from forum, wiki to publish output.

14:32:57 <Rachel> Can you (Sandro) send out ONE email w/a schedule of the meetings for the six groups?

Rachel Flagg: Can you (Sandro) send out ONE email w/a schedule of the meetings for the six groups?

14:33:13 <Rachel> Include instructions on how to participae?

Rachel Flagg: Include instructions on how to participae?

14:33:48 <Rachel> No agendas necessary....just a reminder of who's meeting and when

Rachel Flagg: No agendas necessary....just a reminder of who's meeting and when

14:34:01 <Rachel> so people can get the meetings on their calendars

Rachel Flagg: so people can get the meetings on their calendars

14:34:04 <sandro> action: sandro send weekly meeting reminders

ACTION: sandro send weekly meeting reminders

14:34:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-102 - Send weekly meeting reminders [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-02-24].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-102 - Send weekly meeting reminders [on Sandro Hawke - due 2010-02-24].

14:34:20 <edsu> sandro: maybe send out Monday morning?

Sandro Hawke: maybe send out Monday morning?

14:34:45 <Chris> Would other projects like a discussion forum made for them as well btw? It would keep the wiki discussion pages a little cleaner

Chris Beer: Would other projects like a discussion forum made for them as well btw? It would keep the wiki discussion pages a little cleaner

14:34:51 <edsu> Rachel: it sounds like not everybody knows what's happening when, some people expect different degrees of interest ... if you let people know who's meeting when they can drop in easier

Rachel Flagg: it sounds like not everybody knows what's happening when, some people expect different degrees of interest ... if you let people know who's meeting when they can drop in easier

14:35:29 <edsu> sandro: on monday i'll send out a list of projects that are meeting that week

Sandro Hawke: on monday i'll send out a list of projects that are meeting that week

14:35:38 <edsu> Rachel: could just send out once

Rachel Flagg: could just send out once

14:35:42 <edsu> Cory: people need reminders

Cory Casanave: people need reminders

14:35:44 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects

14:35:47 <Chris> +1 Cory

Chris Beer: +1 Cory

14:36:01 <edsu> Chris: kinda like the meetup reminders

Chris Beer: kinda like the meetup reminders

14:36:06 <edsu> s/Chris/sandro/

s/Chris/sandro/

14:36:21 <edsu> sandro: coordinator can reply or expand on it as necessary

Sandro Hawke: coordinator can reply or expand on it as necessary

14:36:26 <edsu> Rachel: thanks

Rachel Flagg: thanks

14:36:50 <edsu> sandro: next is john w/ provenance

Sandro Hawke: next is john w/ provenance

14:36:56 <sandro> topic: Provenance and eGov

5. Provenance and eGov

14:37:16 <edsu> johnlsheridan: their last call on friday was abot provenance and gov't data

John Sheridan: their last call on friday was abot provenance and gov't data

14:37:32 <edsu> ... i spoke about requirements we have in the uk ... for provenance and linked data

... i spoke about requirements we have in the uk ... for provenance and linked data

14:37:55 <edsu> ... the provenance community that's there is very energized by government data publishing

... the provenance community that's there is very energized by government data publishing

14:38:04 <Chris> @ John - any links to requirements in writing you can give??

Chris Beer: @ John - any links to requirements in writing you can give??

14:38:08 <edsu> ... was some discussion about whether gov't has different requirements

... was some discussion about whether gov't has different requirements

14:38:41 <Chris> (or do you mean requirements as in not actual mandatory requirements)

Chris Beer: (or do you mean requirements as in not actual mandatory requirements)

14:38:41 <edsu> ... important for high quality statistics

... important for high quality statistics

14:39:08 <edsu> ... we talked about use cases, provenance vocabulary, open provenance model in gov't context

... we talked about use cases, provenance vocabulary, open provenance model in gov't context

14:39:19 <Cory> Short agenda request: Any comments on the proposal to combine LDSTRAT & LDTECH projects?

Cory Casanave: Short agenda request: Any comments on the proposal to combine LDSTRAT & LDTECH projects?

14:39:25 <edsu> ... we looked at them, but found them a bit difficult to figure out how best to apply them

... we looked at them, but found them a bit difficult to figure out how best to apply them

14:40:13 <edsu> ... a great conversation w/ the w3c provenance incubator group ... strong interest in the work we're doing

... a great conversation w/ the w3c provenance incubator group ... strong interest in the work we're doing

14:40:41 <edsu> ... i will be going back in a couple months to talk about our experience, need to think about how we bubble up that conversation here

... i will be going back in a couple months to talk about our experience, need to think about how we bubble up that conversation here

14:41:05 <edsu> Cory: were they working with any particular solutions

Cory Casanave: were they working with any particular solutions

14:41:32 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

14:41:33 <edsu> johnlsheridan: focus was on use cases ; some of the participants have done prior work (some for 10 years)

John Sheridan: focus was on use cases ; some of the participants have done prior work (some for 10 years)

14:41:50 <edsu> ... for us i think we need to think of gov't provenance use cases to feed into that group

... for us i think we need to think of gov't provenance use cases to feed into that group

14:42:37 <edsu> ... how important is it to reflect w/ gov't data the remit/function of an organization with the data ; from an archival perspective this is something that happens

... how important is it to reflect w/ gov't data the remit/function of an organization with the data ; from an archival perspective this is something that happens

14:43:31 <edsu> ... as we are publishing linkeddata, and converting data we need to use the provenance vocabulary to point at the original data, and the algorithms that were used to transform

... as we are publishing linkeddata, and converting data we need to use the provenance vocabulary to point at the original data, and the algorithms that were used to transform

14:43:39 <edsu> ... this is something that the provenance vocabulary can do

... this is something that the provenance vocabulary can do

14:44:19 <edsu> ... we're looking at the Open Provenance Model specifically

... we're looking at the Open Provenance Model specifically

14:44:36 <edsu> sandro: how much of the group is thinking in terms of linked data versus some other format?

Sandro Hawke: how much of the group is thinking in terms of linked data versus some other format?

14:44:44 <Chris> @ John - please contact me over email during the week - may well have a use case for you - in fact I can definately say I have a use case for you to trial any approach you'd like

Chris Beer: @ John - please contact me over email during the week - may well have a use case for you - in fact I can definately say I have a use case for you to trial any approach you'd like

14:45:29 <edsu> johnlsheridan: hard to judge, i suspect the main difference between me and the rest of the group is that they were largely coming from a research perspective, and i was coming from a perspective of wanting to actually solve the problems

John Sheridan: hard to judge, i suspect the main difference between me and the rest of the group is that they were largely coming from a research perspective, and i was coming from a perspective of wanting to actually solve the problems

14:45:58 <edsu> ... people are more than willing to engage in a practical conversation

... people are more than willing to engage in a practical conversation

14:46:12 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

14:46:23 <edsu> ... sometimes it can be very liberating for research oriented folks to find an actual real problem to work with

... sometimes it can be very liberating for research oriented folks to find an actual real problem to work with

14:46:36 <edsu> sandro: are they running for a year?

Sandro Hawke: are they running for a year?

14:46:55 <edsu> johnlsheridan: yes, use cases by august

John Sheridan: yes, use cases by august

14:47:14 <edsu> ... they are very interested in gov't data, a big draw for them

... they are very interested in gov't data, a big draw for them

14:47:35 <edsu> Topic: Combining Projects 1 and 2?

6. Combining Projects 1 and 2?

14:47:55 <edsu> Cory: i had a question about combining groups 1 and 2, what people thing

Cory Casanave: i had a question about combining groups 1 and 2, what people thing

14:48:30 <edsu> sandro: there wasn't a lot of overlap in the survey results ; but if we only have 2 or 3 people showing up, then combining them is probably fine

Sandro Hawke: there wasn't a lot of overlap in the survey results ; but if we only have 2 or 3 people showing up, then combining them is probably fine

14:49:04 <edsu> Cory: we'll discuss again tomorrow

Cory Casanave: we'll discuss again tomorrow

14:49:21 <edsu> sandro: if you look at the poll, the comments might be helpful

Sandro Hawke: if you look at the poll, the comments might be helpful

14:49:40 <edsu> sandro: lets wrap it up, thanks for coming

Sandro Hawke: lets wrap it up, thanks for coming

14:49:46 <Zakim> -John

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14:49:47 <Zakim> -Ken

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14:49:50 <Zakim> -Rachel

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14:49:51 <Chris> I think its a smart move Cory - makes sense.

Chris Beer: I think its a smart move Cory - makes sense.

14:49:52 <Zakim> -Cory

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14:49:53 <Zakim> -Sandro

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14:49:56 <Zakim> -edsu

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14:49:57 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

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14:49:59 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.703.994.aaaa, edsu, Sandro, +1.509.464.aabb, Ken, Rachel, Cory, John, +1.202.449.aacc, Daniel_Bennett

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.703.994.aaaa, edsu, Sandro, +1.509.464.aabb, Ken, Rachel, Cory, John, +1.202.449.aacc, Daniel_Bennett



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