None.
Agenda adjustments, Next meetings
Next Meeting is January 6. See http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Meetings .
OGD/LGD and the meaning of "open"
General agreement not to argue much about terms; let's just refer to other people's definitions. And on "OGD" vs "GLD", GLD is a subset of OGD that has some different people; some disagreement about how much to separate the discussions/communities.
Final comments on [[Projects]] due this weekend; next week we'll send out a signup/survey.
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14:02:29 <josema> zakim, ??P0 is sam
José Alonso: zakim, ??P0 is sam ←
14:02:31 <Zakim> +sam; got it
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14:02:51 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is Rachel
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14:02:51 <Zakim> +Rachel; got it
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14:02:53 <josema> chair: josema
14:02:56 <sandro> zakim, aabb is George
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14:02:56 <Zakim> +George; got it
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14:02:57 <josema> regrets: john
14:03:04 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:03:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see sam, josema, Sandro, ??P14, Rachel, George
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14:03:25 <Zakim> + +55115509aacc
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14:03:57 <Vagner> +55 is Vagner Brazil
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14:04:10 <sandro> zakim, aacc is Vagner
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14:04:10 <Zakim> +Vagner; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vagner; got it ←
14:04:12 <josema> [hugh and chris present only on IRC]
José Alonso: [hugh and chris present only on IRC] ←
14:04:20 <sandro> zakim, aadd is Kevin
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aadd is Kevin ←
14:04:20 <Zakim> +Kevin; got it
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14:04:30 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:04:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see sam, josema, Sandro, ??P14, Rachel, George, Vagner, Kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see sam, josema, Sandro, ??P14, Rachel, George, Vagner, Kevin ←
14:04:58 <sandro> zakim, ??P14 is Owen
Sandro Hawke: zakim, ??P14 is Owen ←
14:04:58 <Zakim> +Owen; got it
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14:05:25 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:06:29 <josema> zakim, next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, next agendum ←
14:06:29 <Zakim> agendum 1. "scribe" taken up [from josema]
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<sandro> topic: Scribe
14:07:33 <sandro> JoseMa to scribe next time
Sandro Hawke: JoseMa to scribe next time ←
14:08:21 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
14:08:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see sam, josema, Sandro, Owen, Rachel, George, Vagner, Kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see sam, josema, Sandro, Owen, Rachel, George, Vagner, Kevin ←
14:08:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see OwenAmbur, Rachel, josema, Zakim, hg, Vagner, hughb, ChrisBeer, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see OwenAmbur, Rachel, josema, Zakim, hg, Vagner, hughb, ChrisBeer, RRSAgent, trackbot, sandro ←
14:09:14 <sandro> (Sam and Kevin not on IRC.)
Sandro Hawke: (Sam and Kevin not on IRC.) ←
14:10:51 <sandro> George: How do I scribe?
George Thomas: How do I scribe? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:10:53 <Zakim> + +1.202.449.aaee
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14:11:09 <Daniel_Bennett> aaee is Daniel Bennett
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14:11:21 <josema> zakim, aaee is Daniel Bennett
José Alonso: zakim, aaee is Daniel Bennett ←
14:11:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaee is Daniel Bennett', josema
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aaee is Daniel Bennett', josema ←
14:11:51 <josema> zakim, aaee is Daniel_Bennett
José Alonso: zakim, aaee is Daniel_Bennett ←
14:11:52 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Daniel_Bennett; got it ←
14:12:58 <sandro> George: How do I scribe?
George Thomas: How do I scribe? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:13:02 <sandro> Sandro: Like this.
Sandro Hawke: Like this. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:13:03 <george> JoseMa: will scribe next meeting :)
José Alonso: will scribe next meeting :) [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:13:10 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:13:14 <sandro> scribe: george
(Scribe set to George Thomas)
14:13:26 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
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<sandro> topic: Agenda adjustments, Next meetings
Summary: Next Meeting is January 6. See http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Meetings .
<sandro> summary: Next Meeting is January 6. See http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Meetings .
14:14:27 <george> JoseMa: next meeting 1/6/2010 followed by 1/20/2010
José Alonso: next meeting 1/6/2010 followed by 1/20/2010 ←
14:15:05 <george> josema: confirmed next meeting 1/6/2010
José Alonso: confirmed next meeting 1/6/2010 ←
14:15:01 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:15:25 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Meetings
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Meetings ←
14:15:01 <Zakim> agendum 3. "OGD/LGD and the meaning of "open"" taken up [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 3. "OGD/LGD and the meaning of "open"" taken up [from josema] ←
<sandro> topic: OGD/LGD and the meaning of "open"
Summary: General agreement not to argue much about terms; let's just refer to other people's definitions. And on "OGD" vs "GLD", GLD is a subset of OGD that has some different people; some disagreement about how much to separate the discussions/communities.
<sandro> summary: General agreement not to argue much about terms; let's just refer to other people's definitions. And on "OGD" vs "GLD", GLD is a subset of OGD that has some different people; some disagreement about how much to separate the discussions/communities.
14:15:10 <ChrisBeer> +q
Chris Beer: +q ←
14:15:56 <george> kevin: prior agreement for 12/23 meeting?
Kevin Novak: prior agreement for 12/23 meeting? ←
14:16:10 <george> josema: minutes review - not planned
José Alonso: minutes review - not planned ←
14:16:14 <josema> chris, is you question about meetings?
José Alonso: chris, is you question about meetings? ←
14:16:19 <josema> s/you/your
José Alonso: s/you/your ←
14:16:29 <ChrisBeer> neg - agendum 3 :)
Chris Beer: neg - agendum 3 :) ←
14:16:33 <george> sandro: confirmed minutes no 12/23 meeting
Sandro Hawke: confirmed minutes no 12/23 meeting ←
14:16:33 <josema> ok
José Alonso: ok ←
14:16:40 <sandro> see http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/meeting/2009-11-25#Agenda_adjustments_and_next_meetings
Sandro Hawke: see http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/meeting/2009-11-25#Agenda_adjustments_and_next_meetings ←
14:16:44 <josema> go mahead
José Alonso: go mahead ←
14:16:50 <josema> s/mahead/ahead
José Alonso: s/mahead/ahead ←
14:17:17 <ChrisBeer> I hopefully can offer something here to get through this item quickly. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/0/27/40826024.pdf - OECD defines Government Data as "Public Sector Information" - "Public sector information" is broadly defined for purposes of this Recommendation as "information, including information products and services, generated, created, collected, processed, preserved, maintained, disseminated, or funded by or for the Government or public institution"
Chris Beer: I hopefully can offer something here to get through this item quickly. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/0/27/40826024.pdf - OECD defines Government Data as "Public Sector Information" - "Public sector information" is broadly defined for purposes of this Recommendation as "information, including information products and services, generated, created, collected, processed, preserved, maintained, disseminated, or funded by or for the Government or public institution" ←
14:17:18 <george> josema: agenda point - discussion of 'open'
José Alonso: agenda point - discussion of 'open' ←
14:17:27 <george> george: sigh
George Thomas: sigh ←
14:17:51 <Zakim> + +1.303.748.aaff
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14:18:20 <george> josema: chris has provided materials on this subject - josema reading for those not on irc
José Alonso: chris has provided materials on this subject - josema reading for those not on irc ←
14:18:40 <ChrisBeer> The recommendation defines in that sense, open as access. If we use those defs, then we're left with open as in standards, access = access, government data as PSI.
Chris Beer: The recommendation defines in that sense, open as access. If we use those defs, then we're left with open as in standards, access = access, government data as PSI. ←
14:18:44 <sandro> zakim, aaff is Brian
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaff is Brian ←
14:18:44 <Zakim> +Brian; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Brian; got it ←
14:19:29 <ChrisBeer> And we have 30 govs + EU agreeing with the definitions.
Chris Beer: And we have 30 govs + EU agreeing with the definitions. ←
14:19:37 <george> josema: solicits comments on cb's oecd doc
José Alonso: solicits comments on cb's oecd doc ←
14:19:52 <george> george: +1 josema input in prior email thread
George Thomas: +1 josema input in prior email thread ←
14:20:35 <george> kevin: consistency is key
Kevin Novak: consistency is key ←
14:21:22 <george> sandro: +1 cb oecd on ogd - thought that wasn't an issue, only lgd
Sandro Hawke: +1 cb oecd on ogd - thought that wasn't an issue, only lgd ←
14:21:33 <sandro> sandro: This seems straightforward; I thought it was Gov Linked Data that was more controversial
Sandro Hawke: This seems straightforward; I thought it was Gov Linked Data that was more controversial [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:22:12 <george> josema: emphasizing suggested distinction btw open as in gov and open as in data
José Alonso: emphasizing suggested distinction btw open as in gov and open as in data ←
14:22:18 <ChrisBeer> sorry - I had read it in threads etc that the sticking point seemed to be open as in standards/tech vs open as in policy/access
Chris Beer: sorry - I had read it in threads etc that the sticking point seemed to be open as in standards/tech vs open as in policy/access ←
14:22:50 <josema> chris, let me see if I got you right: you say we should stick to the OECD for the policy side, right?
José Alonso: chris, let me see if I got you right: you say we should stick to the OECD for the policy side, right? ←
14:22:57 <ChrisBeer> correct
Chris Beer: correct ←
14:23:09 <josema> ... but that we need to come up with something else for the technical part of it, right?
José Alonso: ... but that we need to come up with something else for the technical part of it, right? ←
14:23:12 <george> kevin: response to open as in data controversy - tbl suggests being more 'open' :)
Kevin Novak: response to open as in data controversy - tbl suggests being more 'open' :) ←
14:23:53 <george> daniel: open open open - yet another uncontrolled vocab source, wikipedia, see open gov
Daniel Bennett: open open open - yet another uncontrolled vocab source, wikipedia, see open gov ←
14:24:12 <george> daniel: concentrate on best practices instead of definitions
Daniel Bennett: concentrate on best practices instead of definitions ←
14:24:19 <ChrisBeer> going off thomas's issues and hughb's comments, there seems to be confusion as to the two - GLD and OGD/PSI
Chris Beer: going off thomas's issues and hughb's comments, there seems to be confusion as to the two - GLD and OGD/PSI ←
14:24:26 <josema> the old ISSUE I referred to: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/2
José Alonso: the old ISSUE I referred to: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/2 ←
14:24:45 <george> daniel: seems to be +1 with josema on open data thoughts
Daniel Bennett: seems to be +1 with josema on open data thoughts ←
14:24:55 <ChrisBeer> (personally I understand the distinction no problems)
Chris Beer: (personally I understand the distinction no problems) ←
14:25:06 <josema> ok, thanks
José Alonso: ok, thanks ←
14:25:32 <george> brian: agrees with daniel - def can remain general and allow for different conceptions
Brian Gryth: agrees with daniel - def can remain general and allow for different conceptions ←
14:26:33 <ChrisBeer> allthough most projects may be set well one by one, I am not so happy
Chris Beer: allthough most projects may be set well one by one, I am not so happy ←
14:26:33 <ChrisBeer> about distinguishing OGD (Open Government Data) from GLD (Government
Chris Beer: about distinguishing OGD (Open Government Data) from GLD (Government ←
14:26:33 <ChrisBeer> Linked Data) the way you do.
Chris Beer: Linked Data) the way you do. ←
14:26:33 <ChrisBeer> GLD is just one (RDF based) kind of representing OGD. Other
Chris Beer: GLD is just one (RDF based) kind of representing OGD. Other ←
14:26:33 <ChrisBeer> representations may be based on the named formats of OGD "XML, CSV,
Chris Beer: representations may be based on the named formats of OGD "XML, CSV, ←
14:26:34 <ChrisBeer> custom data formats, and/or Web APIs". To make this more confusing: RDF
Chris Beer: custom data formats, and/or Web APIs". To make this more confusing: RDF ←
14:26:34 <josema> I remember we also discussed The World Bank and OKF definitions by then, too
José Alonso: I remember we also discussed The World Bank and OKF definitions by then, too ←
14:26:35 <ChrisBeer> may be serialized in a XML syntax, so GLD would be OGD if not serialized
Chris Beer: may be serialized in a XML syntax, so GLD would be OGD if not serialized ←
14:26:37 <ChrisBeer> in Turtle?
Chris Beer: in Turtle? ←
14:26:39 <ChrisBeer> I would rather distinguish the general strategic topics of OGD in
Chris Beer: I would rather distinguish the general strategic topics of OGD in ←
14:26:41 <george> daniel: inclusive
Daniel Bennett: inclusive ←
14:26:41 <ChrisBeer> whatever technical format from the more specific topics related to some
Chris Beer: whatever technical format from the more specific topics related to some ←
14:26:44 <ChrisBeer> technical pattern.
Chris Beer: technical pattern. ←
14:26:54 <george> brian: reuse other def's and work on best prac's
Brian Gryth: reuse other def's and work on best prac's ←
14:27:19 <ChrisBeer> sorry -that was Thomas's post on the issue for the record. Hugh asked it be added to agenda to sort out before discussion on projects went ahead.
Chris Beer: sorry -that was Thomas's post on the issue for the record. Hugh asked it be added to agenda to sort out before discussion on projects went ahead. ←
14:27:31 <Daniel_Bennett> specifically linking out to all the definitions from many orgs will help people find our best practices and standards
Daniel Bennett: specifically linking out to all the definitions from many orgs will help people find our best practices and standards ←
14:28:07 <george> kevin: +2 inclusiveness, whatever works towards that
Kevin Novak: +2 inclusiveness, whatever works towards that ←
14:28:10 <ChrisBeer> Daniel +1
Chris Beer: Daniel +1 ←
14:29:10 <sandro> +1 Nice "This is the debate people have when they don't want to advance the ball" :-)
Sandro Hawke: +1 Nice "This is the debate people have when they don't want to advance the ball" :-) ←
14:29:17 <george> brian: recursive vocab loop keeps us from getting real work done
Brian Gryth: recursive vocab loop keeps us from getting real work done ←
14:29:48 <george> george: +1 brian/sandro
George Thomas: +1 brian/sandro ←
14:29:53 <ChrisBeer> As far as GLD goes - as I said earlier in channel before meeting. PSI/OGD isn't necessarily linked, but GLD has to be in someway OGD. Hear hear. +1
Chris Beer: As far as GLD goes - as I said earlier in channel before meeting. PSI/OGD isn't necessarily linked, but GLD has to be in someway OGD. Hear hear. +1 ←
14:30:16 <george> josema: reviewing Thomas's post provided by Chris
José Alonso: reviewing Thomas's post provided by Chris ←
14:30:39 <Daniel_Bennett> fyi. we do not seem to have a presence here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_government
Daniel Bennett: fyi. we do not seem to have a presence here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_government ←
14:31:07 <george> kevin: trouble when we try to distinguish these vaguaries
Kevin Novak: trouble when we try to distinguish these vaguaries ←
14:31:40 <george> george: +1 kevin - focus on tech, let the policy wonks worry about 'controlling the messag'
George Thomas: +1 kevin - focus on tech, let the policy wonks worry about 'controlling the messag' ←
14:32:25 <george> sandro: techies get the difference and don't want this shared concept/term problem to get in the way of that
Sandro Hawke: techies get the difference and don't want this shared concept/term problem to get in the way of that ←
14:32:26 <sandro> sandro: Sometimes it makes sense to use the Linked Data distinction, when you're focussed on that particular technology.
Sandro Hawke: Sometimes it makes sense to use the Linked Data distinction, when you're focussed on that particular technology. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:32:37 <george> kevin: wholeheartedly agree sandro +1
Kevin Novak: wholeheartedly agree sandro +1 ←
14:32:42 <ChrisBeer> @ Daniel - refresh the page
Chris Beer: @ Daniel - refresh the page ←
14:33:04 <Daniel_Bennett> way to go Chris
Daniel Bennett: way to go Chris ←
14:33:31 <Daniel_Bennett> but do we need to establish a wikipedia policy?
Daniel Bennett: but do we need to establish a wikipedia policy? ←
14:33:33 <george> josema: conclusion - policy side to speak to definitions with inclusive, broad language to achieve it
José Alonso: conclusion - policy side to speak to definitions with inclusive, broad language to achieve it ←
14:33:34 <Rachel> Yes, agree to adopt standard conventions
Rachel Flagg: Yes, agree to adopt standard conventions ←
14:34:17 <ChrisBeer> (@ daniel - it's a valid link to a page on the topic :) )
Chris Beer: (@ daniel - it's a valid link to a page on the topic :) ) ←
14:34:21 <george> daniel: +1 inclusion again
Daniel Bennett: +1 inclusion again ←
14:34:31 <josema> in fact, this is what we already did: http://www.w3.org/TR/egov-improving/#OGD
José Alonso: in fact, this is what we already did: http://www.w3.org/TR/egov-improving/#OGD ←
14:34:49 <george> george: proving the circular comment :)
George Thomas: proving the circular comment :) ←
14:35:17 <george> josema: provides link to prior egov-ig art that does what is called for
José Alonso: provides link to prior egov-ig art that does what is called for ←
14:35:19 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:35:32 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:35:32 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, josema ←
14:35:37 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
14:35:43 <josema> ack chrisbeer
José Alonso: ack chrisbeer ←
14:35:49 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:35:49 <Zakim> agendum 4. "reviewing the projects page" taken up [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 4. "reviewing the projects page" taken up [from josema] ←
<sandro> topic: reviewing the projects page
Summary: Final comments on [[Projects]] due this weekend; next week we'll send out a signup/survey.
<sandro> summary: Final comments on [[Projects]] due this weekend; next week we'll send out a signup/survey.
14:35:56 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects
José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects ←
14:36:44 <Daniel_Bennett> (@ChrisBeer - i agree that it is valid and good, but just triggers a discussion i had been hoping we would have re: wikipedia)
Daniel Bennett: (@ChrisBeer - i agree that it is valid and good, but just triggers a discussion i had been hoping we would have re: wikipedia) ←
14:36:44 <george> josema: next agenda point - wiki projects page - reading some input from team
José Alonso: next agenda point - wiki projects page - reading some input from team ←
14:37:23 <ChrisBeer> (@ Daniel - lol - nps )
Chris Beer: (@ Daniel - lol - nps ) ←
14:37:34 <george> josema: not yet fully reviewed, asks sandro's input
José Alonso: not yet fully reviewed, asks sandro's input ←
14:37:56 <george> sandro: not sure if we haven't covered most of these topics
Sandro Hawke: not sure if we haven't covered most of these topics ←
14:38:39 <Rachel> if others volunteer to draft these docs I can review/edit (per ETF mission)
Rachel Flagg: if others volunteer to draft these docs I can review/edit (per ETF mission) ←
14:38:52 <george> josema: deadline given - input received, but not clear what forward path is, next steps, how to prioritize - other than to let volunteers run with it...
José Alonso: deadline given - input received, but not clear what forward path is, next steps, how to prioritize - other than to let volunteers run with it... ←
14:39:01 <Rachel> Daniel did such an awesome job on the last project - I thought that process worked well.
Rachel Flagg: Daniel did such an awesome job on the last project - I thought that process worked well. ←
14:39:03 <george> sandro: speaking for the chairs
Sandro Hawke: speaking for the chairs ←
14:39:23 <josema> daniel, I hope we could discuss wikipedia at the web site agendum, please!
José Alonso: daniel, I hope we could discuss wikipedia at the web site agendum, please! ←
14:39:40 <george> sandro: lots of folks on listerv, not many on the call - hope was that once different projects were clear, we would proceed with a divide and conquer approach to each project
Sandro Hawke: lots of folks on listerv, not many on the call - hope was that once different projects were clear, we would proceed with a divide and conquer approach to each project ←
14:39:46 <Zakim> + +1.410.992.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.410.992.aagg ←
14:40:02 <george> sandro: first pass was to make sure descriptions were clear, would've been nice to have more input
Sandro Hawke: first pass was to make sure descriptions were clear, would've been nice to have more input ←
14:40:24 <george> sandro: with repeated prompts from chairs - not clear we're going to get more input
Sandro Hawke: with repeated prompts from chairs - not clear we're going to get more input ←
14:40:24 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks Rachel
Daniel Bennett: thanks Rachel ←
14:40:51 <ChrisBeer> (FYI am wikipedia editor - happy to work within whatever group thinks best re that, may not be on IRC still for that agendum)
Chris Beer: (FYI am wikipedia editor - happy to work within whatever group thinks best re that, may not be on IRC still for that agendum) ←
14:41:08 <josema> I wonder if we really need to distinguish between GLD and OGD in those areas based on the previous discussion
José Alonso: I wonder if we really need to distinguish between GLD and OGD in those areas based on the previous discussion ←
14:41:18 <george> kevin: +1 sandro - key focus areas suggested, still some areas needing group participants, so goal is more participation - suggestion of 2 more days
Kevin Novak: +1 sandro - key focus areas suggested, still some areas needing group participants, so goal is more participation - suggestion of 2 more days ←
14:41:32 <ChrisBeer> I thought they were perfectly clear - didn't see need to add/expand
Chris Beer: I thought they were perfectly clear - didn't see need to add/expand ←
14:42:24 <Daniel_Bennett> (Joe Carmel had suggested we use Wikipedia as a major focus for output which I think is really good, so your editor expertise and experience will help for the discussion.)
Daniel Bennett: (Joe Carmel had suggested we use Wikipedia as a major focus for output which I think is really good, so your editor expertise and experience will help for the discussion.) ←
14:42:27 <george> sandro: linked data people are wanting to contribute to linked data conversation - all the other 'open' categories are too difuse for their focused effort
Sandro Hawke: linked data people are wanting to contribute to linked data conversation - all the other 'open' categories are too difuse for their focused effort ←
14:42:34 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:42:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see sam, josema, Sandro, Owen, Rachel, George, Vagner, Kevin, Daniel_Bennett, Brian (muted), +1.410.992.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see sam, josema, Sandro, Owen, Rachel, George, Vagner, Kevin, Daniel_Bennett, Brian (muted), +1.410.992.aagg ←
14:42:36 <josema> zakim, aagg is joec
José Alonso: zakim, aagg is joec ←
14:42:36 <Zakim> +joec; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +joec; got it ←
14:43:07 <george> joec: sandro - aren't you also interested in xforming other data to linkeddata?
Joe Carmel: sandro - aren't you also interested in xforming other data to linkeddata? ←
14:43:27 <george> sandro: son - which is it timbl? raw data now, or linked data? (both :)
Sandro Hawke: son - which is it timbl? raw data now, or linked data? (both :) ←
14:43:39 <george> joec: not going to be able to get the gov to create rdf
Joe Carmel: not going to be able to get the gov to create rdf ←
14:43:47 <george> sandro: some parts will, some won't
Sandro Hawke: some parts will, some won't ←
14:43:54 <george> george: +1000 sandro
George Thomas: +1000 sandro ←
14:43:58 <ChrisBeer> which gov ;)
Chris Beer: which gov ;) ←
14:44:10 <george> george: gov is already doing linked data
George Thomas: gov is already doing linked data ←
14:44:25 <OwenAmbur> Would be good to post a link to the projects page on the home page: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Main_Page
Owen Ambur: Would be good to post a link to the projects page on the home page: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Main_Page ←
14:44:25 <george> joec: this group has to address what gov's are doing
Joe Carmel: this group has to address what gov's are doing ←
14:44:32 <Daniel_Bennett> an aside: we should introduce the term "slow government" like the "slow food" movement, a holistic term referring to food being tasty, sustainably produced, local pref, etc. we should have "slow gov". isnt that what people think already ;-)
Daniel Bennett: an aside: we should introduce the term "slow government" like the "slow food" movement, a holistic term referring to food being tasty, sustainably produced, local pref, etc. we should have "slow gov". isnt that what people think already ;-) ←
14:45:02 <george> sandro: reifies separation idea - if you don't care about rdf, then have a csv discussion
Sandro Hawke: reifies separation idea - if you don't care about rdf, then have a csv discussion ←
14:45:05 <ChrisBeer> +1 owen
Chris Beer: +1 owen ←
14:45:47 <josema> btw, all IG members should have editing access to the whole wiki (if you don't, please talk to Sandro)
José Alonso: btw, all IG members should have editing access to the whole wiki (if you don't, please talk to Sandro) ←
14:46:02 <george> joec: say to gov - put in data controls (be aware of what you're pub'ing, its accuracy), maybe i (joec) doesn't understand the role of the ig
Joe Carmel: say to gov - put in data controls (be aware of what you're pub'ing, its accuracy), maybe i (joec) doesn't understand the role of the ig ←
14:46:22 <george> sandro: suggesting two task forces, not separate ig's
Sandro Hawke: suggesting two task forces, not separate ig's ←
14:47:20 <george> daniel: geeks lose the human readable idea, whether rdf, microformats, html, - makes pitch for xhtml as human readable in open gov push
Daniel Bennett: geeks lose the human readable idea, whether rdf, microformats, html, - makes pitch for xhtml as human readable in open gov push ←
14:47:33 <ChrisBeer> points to eaves.ca - "Can I play with it" - as long as its in *A* linkable format, its good for now - rdf, xml, csv - does it matter in the scope of the IG as long as it's a linkable format?
Chris Beer: points to eaves.ca - "Can I play with it" - as long as its in *A* linkable format, its good for now - rdf, xml, csv - does it matter in the scope of the IG as long as it's a linkable format? ←
14:47:38 <george> rachel: +1 daniel
Rachel Flagg: +1 daniel ←
14:47:52 <george> owen: (could not hear owen)
Owen Ambur: (could not hear owen) ←
14:47:57 <george> brian: +1 daniel
Brian Gryth: +1 daniel ←
14:48:00 <Rachel> Agree w/Daniel - open govt is not just open data, but also ensuring people can understand
Rachel Flagg: Agree w/Daniel - open govt is not just open data, but also ensuring people can understand ←
14:48:12 <ChrisBeer> +1000 daniel
Chris Beer: +1000 daniel ←
14:48:15 <Rachel> not just machine-readable, human-readable is just as important!
Rachel Flagg: not just machine-readable, human-readable is just as important! ←
14:48:26 <george> george: i thought html+rdfa was the big w3c push, over xhtml now :)
George Thomas: i thought html+rdfa was the big w3c push, over xhtml now :) ←
14:48:43 <joec> http://www.gcn.com/Articles/2009/10/30/Berners-Lee-Semantic-Web.aspx#
Joe Carmel: http://www.gcn.com/Articles/2009/10/30/Berners-Lee-Semantic-Web.aspx# ←
14:48:52 <OwenAmbur> XML documents are readily rendered in human readable formats, e.g., PDF, but the reverse is not true
Owen Ambur: XML documents are readily rendered in human readable formats, e.g., PDF, but the reverse is not true ←
14:48:58 <george> kevin: tbl included access point - agrees with brian/daniel/rachel on 'human readable'
Kevin Novak: tbl included access point - agrees with brian/daniel/rachel on 'human readable' ←
14:49:17 <joec> "He said that the use of RDF should not require building new systems,
Joe Carmel: "He said that the use of RDF should not require building new systems, ←
14:49:17 <joec> or changing the way site administers work, reminiscing about how many
Joe Carmel: or changing the way site administers work, reminiscing about how many ←
14:49:17 <joec> of the original Web sites were linked back to legacy mainframe systems.
Joe Carmel: of the original Web sites were linked back to legacy mainframe systems. ←
14:49:17 <joec> Instead, scripts can be written in Python, Perl or other languages that
Joe Carmel: Instead, scripts can be written in Python, Perl or other languages that ←
14:49:17 <joec> can convert data in spreadsheets or relational databases into RDF for
Joe Carmel: can convert data in spreadsheets or relational databases into RDF for ←
14:49:18 <joec> the end-users. "You will want to leave the social processes in place,
Joe Carmel: the end-users. "You will want to leave the social processes in place, ←
14:49:20 <joec> leave the technical systems in place," he said. "
Joe Carmel: leave the technical systems in place," he said. " ←
14:50:16 <Daniel_Bennett> note: i am not distinguishing HTML + RDFa vs. HTML vs XHTML1.0 vs. HTML5 vs. XML with XSLT vs. etc, just that everything be presented to the humans.
Daniel Bennett: note: i am not distinguishing HTML + RDFa vs. HTML vs XHTML1.0 vs. HTML5 vs. XML with XSLT vs. etc, just that everything be presented to the humans. ←
14:50:33 <george> joec: put tbl quote for folks to review, reiterating point about xforming existing data to get to rdf
Joe Carmel: put tbl quote for folks to review, reiterating point about xforming existing data to get to rdf ←
14:51:06 <george> josema: so where are we? leave the group a couple days more (kevin), separate work streams/areas (sandro)?
José Alonso: so where are we? leave the group a couple days more (kevin), separate work streams/areas (sandro)? ←
14:51:28 <george> kevin: suggest send out one last notice for final deadline before next weeks chairs call
Kevin Novak: suggest send out one last notice for final deadline before next weeks chairs call ←
14:51:49 <ChrisBeer> (Get to work (Chris) ;P )
Chris Beer: (Get to work (Chris) ;P ) ←
14:52:01 <george> sandro: are we hearing concensus around different groups? if the chairs are good to go, fine, but not clear to me
Sandro Hawke: are we hearing concensus around different groups? if the chairs are good to go, fine, but not clear to me ←
14:52:14 <george> kevin: chairs will pull that together
Kevin Novak: chairs will pull that together ←
14:52:37 <george> owen: chairs have others in line to volunteer, chairs ask for specific volunteers
Owen Ambur: chairs have others in line to volunteer, chairs ask for specific volunteers ←
14:52:39 <ChrisBeer> I think time will tell - it may be that some projects meld, and others are identified as needed
Chris Beer: I think time will tell - it may be that some projects meld, and others are identified as needed ←
14:53:21 <george> kevin: conclusion - send out last call - next week chairs call, get concensus on who/what we'll proceed with
Kevin Novak: conclusion - send out last call - next week chairs call, get concensus on who/what we'll proceed with ←
14:53:34 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:53:47 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:53:48 <Zakim> agendum 5. "commenting on AU, USA docs" taken up [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 5. "commenting on AU, USA docs" taken up [from josema] ←
<sandro> topic: commenting on AU, USA docs
14:54:13 <george> josema: ok - next agenda point - comments on docs released in australian and us gov docs
José Alonso: ok - next agenda point - comments on docs released in australian and us gov docs ←
14:54:45 <george> josema: australia doc 159 pages long - someone on the phone can summarize for today's call? new people on board -
José Alonso: australia doc 159 pages long - someone on the phone can summarize for today's call? new people on board - ←
14:55:01 <george> josema: sent some comments to whitehouse opengov coord via kevin
José Alonso: sent some comments to whitehouse opengov coord via kevin ←
14:55:54 <george> josema: chartered to do this, but deadlines are difficult - australia comment is 12/17 - don't know the us opengov deadline - anyone?
José Alonso: chartered to do this, but deadlines are difficult - australia comment is 12/17 - don't know the us opengov deadline - anyone? ←
14:55:59 <josema> data.gov ideascale: http://datagov.ideascale.com/
José Alonso: data.gov ideascale: http://datagov.ideascale.com/ ←
14:56:23 <josema> the Australian doc: http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/12/07/draftreport/
José Alonso: the Australian doc: http://gov2.net.au/blog/2009/12/07/draftreport/ ←
14:56:29 <george> kevin: got an email from wh team, but short notice difficult at best to comment
Kevin Novak: got an email from wh team, but short notice difficult at best to comment ←
14:56:38 <george> josema: published links on irc to both docs
José Alonso: published links on irc to both docs ←
14:58:05 <george> josema: group and individual comments were sent to prior us opengov effort
José Alonso: group and individual comments were sent to prior us opengov effort ←
14:58:25 <george> @kevin - did mary provide a us data.gov ideascale date deadline?
@kevin - did mary provide a us data.gov ideascale date deadline? ←
14:58:32 <ChrisBeer> W/r Australia - would like to see a note of support from IG - it's not likely to change but has anyone read it? Or have thoughts on it at all?
Chris Beer: W/r Australia - would like to see a note of support from IG - it's not likely to change but has anyone read it? Or have thoughts on it at all? ←
14:58:44 <OwenAmbur> Australia's "Engage" report is available in StratML format at http://xml.gov/stratml/EG2.xml It contrains 13 goals and associated objectives.
Owen Ambur: Australia's "Engage" report is available in StratML format at http://xml.gov/stratml/EG2.xml It contrains 13 goals and associated objectives. ←
14:58:45 <josema> I wish we had more time to review this kind of things as a group, really!
José Alonso: I wish we had more time to review this kind of things as a group, really! ←
14:58:49 <george> kevin: please note where your position is different or in agreement with the ig
Kevin Novak: please note where your position is different or in agreement with the ig ←
14:59:09 <Daniel_Bennett> note that http://datagov.ideascale.com/ blew an error on signing on with OpenID
Daniel Bennett: note that http://datagov.ideascale.com/ blew an error on signing on with OpenID ←
14:59:22 <george> kevin: please look at the last input from the ig for guidelines in this effort
Kevin Novak: please look at the last input from the ig for guidelines in this effort ←
14:59:31 <josema> daniel, same as our wiki, doh! ;)
José Alonso: daniel, same as our wiki, doh! ;) ←
14:59:45 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:59:54 <Zakim> -Kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: -Kevin ←
14:59:56 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
14:59:56 <Zakim> agendum 6. "web site" taken up [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 6. "web site" taken up [from josema] ←
<sandro> topic: Web Site, Wikipedia
14:59:59 <george> kevin: have to leave
Kevin Novak: have to leave ←
15:00:17 <george> josema: next agenda item - website - or, the 'wikipedia' discussion - take it away daniel
José Alonso: next agenda item - website - or, the 'wikipedia' discussion - take it away daniel ←
15:00:28 <george> daniel: props to joe for the idea
Daniel Bennett: props to joe for the idea ←
15:00:53 <george> daniel: looking at finding web tech for egov website, mediawiki wins
Daniel Bennett: looking at finding web tech for egov website, mediawiki wins ←
15:00:53 <OwenAmbur> I'm working on converting the Data.gov CONOPS to StratML format but its goals and objectives are a little difficult to discern
Owen Ambur: I'm working on converting the Data.gov CONOPS to StratML format but its goals and objectives are a little difficult to discern ←
15:01:14 <george> george: (semantic) mediawiki wins - AGAIN! :-)
George Thomas: (semantic) mediawiki wins - AGAIN! :-) ←
15:01:19 <ChrisBeer> (was unsure about kevins comments on last - is there any likely hood of ig comment on australia doc? or ppl will review?)
Chris Beer: (was unsure about kevins comments on last - is there any likely hood of ig comment on australia doc? or ppl will review?) ←
15:02:05 <ChrisBeer> +1 on wiki idea btw - am going to have to run - 2 am here
Chris Beer: +1 on wiki idea btw - am going to have to run - 2 am here ←
15:03:01 <george> daniel: crowdsourcing ig ideas using this to engage with comment site
Daniel Bennett: crowdsourcing ig ideas using this to engage with comment site ←
15:03:08 <josema> chris, no time to build consensus as group, comment was: if you are going to make a comment consistent with the group's consensus, feel free to identify yourself as a group member, if not, just leave it as a personal one
José Alonso: chris, no time to build consensus as group, comment was: if you are going to make a comment consistent with the group's consensus, feel free to identify yourself as a group member, if not, just leave it as a personal one ←
15:03:21 <george> george: not sure i'm getting daniels point here about wikipedia - thought we were talking about ig using mediawiki
George Thomas: not sure i'm getting daniels point here about wikipedia - thought we were talking about ig using mediawiki ←
15:03:58 <Daniel_Bennett> @george- pointing out a coincidence
Daniel Bennett: @george- pointing out a coincidence ←
15:04:24 <george> joec: difficult to find tech info on practices...info is dispersed across the web...everybody goes to wikipedia, so create some wikipedia pages for the ig work
Joe Carmel: difficult to find tech info on practices...info is dispersed across the web...everybody goes to wikipedia, so create some wikipedia pages for the ig work ←
15:04:35 <george> george: okay, i think i'm getting you now...
George Thomas: okay, i think i'm getting you now... ←
15:04:54 <joec> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Joe_carmel/Good_Data_Practices_Related_to_Government_Data
Joe Carmel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Joe_carmel/Good_Data_Practices_Related_to_Government_Data ←
15:05:14 <ChrisBeer> @jose nps - will pass comment to list for review first :) night all
Chris Beer: @jose nps - will pass comment to list for review first :) night all ←
15:05:22 <george> josema: sumarrizing - so the suggestion is that we spend some effort creating/maintaining wikipedia pages that serve as authorititative sources for info relevant to the ig
José Alonso: sumarrizing - so the suggestion is that we spend some effort creating/maintaining wikipedia pages that serve as authorititative sources for info relevant to the ig ←
15:05:45 <george> joec: publishes wikipedia User page example on irc
Joe Carmel: publishes wikipedia User page example on irc ←
15:05:52 <ChrisBeer> (thought - w3c ig user template / image as well?)
Chris Beer: (thought - w3c ig user template / image as well?) ←
15:06:01 <josema> @chris wonderful
José Alonso: @chris wonderful ←
15:06:48 <Daniel_Bennett> use, and we think of our own pages as a staging ground to Wikipedia
Daniel Bennett: use, and we think of our own pages as a staging ground to Wikipedia ←
15:06:56 <ChrisBeer> @jose - will work on such and delivery for next meeting
Chris Beer: @jose - will work on such and delivery for next meeting ←
15:07:19 <george> joec: example - pdf bad for gov (sunlight clay johnson) - instead of saying 'don't use pdf', say how to enhance it, ie. how to link into/out of - but there's *no consolidated place* to get/send info to folks
Joe Carmel: example - pdf bad for gov (sunlight clay johnson) - instead of saying 'don't use pdf', say how to enhance it, ie. how to link into/out of - but there's *no consolidated place* to get/send info to folks ←
15:07:28 <george> george: fractal web - fractal society -
George Thomas: fractal web - fractal society - ←
15:07:32 <ChrisBeer> (wikipedia user template/icon that is
Chris Beer: (wikipedia user template/icon that is ←
15:08:02 <george> joec: elucidating the desire to provide pdf publising best practices
Joe Carmel: elucidating the desire to provide pdf publising best practices ←
15:08:03 <josema> @chris issue is next meeting is on 6 Jan, so after the deadline :(
José Alonso: @chris issue is next meeting is on 6 Jan, so after the deadline :( ←
15:08:37 <Daniel_Bennett> also we can use fragment URLs from wikipedia too (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_government#History )
Daniel Bennett: also we can use fragment URLs from wikipedia too (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_government#History ) ←
15:08:41 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?
José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer? ←
15:08:41 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-egov-irc#T15-08-41
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-egov-irc#T15-08-41 ←
15:08:45 <george> owen: pdf->xml (hundreds in stratml) things ig should promote xml->pdf as best pract
Owen Ambur: pdf->xml (hundreds in stratml) things ig should promote xml->pdf as best pract ←
15:08:47 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:08:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:09:09 <george> joec: promotes source doc included with pdf, which alleviates the challenge owen refers to
Joe Carmel: promotes source doc included with pdf, which alleviates the challenge owen refers to ←
15:09:14 <Zakim> + +1.410.975.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.410.975.aahh ←
15:09:40 <Daniel_Bennett> re: PDF linking see http://legislink.org/ - thanks to Joe
Daniel Bennett: re: PDF linking see http://legislink.org/ - thanks to Joe ←
15:09:45 <george> george: doesn't care about this or see this as something that needs w3c effort on
George Thomas: doesn't care about this or see this as something that needs w3c effort on ←
15:10:29 <george> owen: xml as the way
Owen Ambur: xml as the way ←
15:10:44 <george> joec: but addressing issues with what gov is doing, which is pdf
Joe Carmel: but addressing issues with what gov is doing, which is pdf ←
15:11:22 <george> owen: tool support, native format of ms office
Owen Ambur: tool support, native format of ms office ←
15:11:58 <george> joec: <open><close></close></open>
Joe Carmel: <open><close></close></open> ←
15:12:19 <Daniel_Bennett> @george - like it , cute
Daniel Bennett: @george - like it , cute ←
15:12:28 <george> owen: likes the corel suite of tools because it uses xml
Owen Ambur: likes the corel suite of tools because it uses xml ←
15:12:57 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
15:13:16 <george> daniel: back to the wiki question, more specifically the use of wikipedia
Daniel Bennett: back to the wiki question, more specifically the use of wikipedia ←
15:13:25 <OwenAmbur> I use both the Corel and the MS suite. Corel has not been able to keep up w/re support for XML
Owen Ambur: I use both the Corel and the MS suite. Corel has not been able to keep up w/re support for XML ←
15:14:22 <OwenAmbur> To me, the issue is whether this group is willing and able to suggest that it is good practice to author documents in XML format and autotmatically render them in other formats.
Owen Ambur: To me, the issue is whether this group is willing and able to suggest that it is good practice to author documents in XML format and autotmatically render them in other formats. ←
15:15:12 <george> sandro: general use of wikipedia okay, but need to use our own wiki to be authoritative
Sandro Hawke: general use of wikipedia okay, but need to use our own wiki to be authoritative ←
15:15:58 <Daniel_Bennett> +1 Sandro
Daniel Bennett: +1 Sandro ←
15:16:04 <george> sandro: not supposed to but orig info on wikipedi
Sandro Hawke: not supposed to but orig info on wikipedi ←
15:16:14 <george> george: +1 sandro
George Thomas: +1 sandro ←
15:17:32 <george> joec: suggests that w3c needs to be that info dissemination platform for best practices - such as the pdf/xml/pdf examples
Joe Carmel: suggests that w3c needs to be that info dissemination platform for best practices - such as the pdf/xml/pdf examples ←
15:17:33 <george> brian
brian ←
15:17:38 <sandro> +1 it's great to use wikipedia for outreach, for reaching a large audience, and engaging the larger community
Sandro Hawke: +1 it's great to use wikipedia for outreach, for reaching a large audience, and engaging the larger community ←
15:18:14 <josema> zakim, list attendees
José Alonso: zakim, list attendees ←
15:18:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Sandro, +1.509.464.aaaa, +1.202.441.aabb, josema, sam, Rachel, George, +55115509aacc, +1.202.731.aadd, Vagner, Kevin, Owen,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Sandro, +1.509.464.aaaa, +1.202.441.aabb, josema, sam, Rachel, George, +55115509aacc, +1.202.731.aadd, Vagner, Kevin, Owen, ←
15:18:15 <george> brian: +1 on use of wikipedia that cites/links back to ig wiki
Brian Gryth: +1 on use of wikipedia that cites/links back to ig wiki ←
15:18:18 <Zakim> ... +1.202.449.aaee, Daniel_Bennett, +1.303.748.aaff, Brian, +1.410.992.aagg, joec, +1.410.975.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.202.449.aaee, Daniel_Bennett, +1.303.748.aaff, Brian, +1.410.992.aagg, joec, +1.410.975.aahh ←
15:18:59 <george> joec: new examples given - grddl, lod, etc
Joe Carmel: new examples given - grddl, lod, etc ←
15:19:26 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
15:19:27 <Daniel_Bennett> cites- electronic cites are URLs and URL + fragment ID -- fyi my Embedded Self Cite http://ecitizenproject.org/ideafactory/embedded-self-citations
Daniel Bennett: cites- electronic cites are URLs and URL + fragment ID -- fyi my Embedded Self Cite http://ecitizenproject.org/ideafactory/embedded-self-citations ←
15:19:28 <george> brian: wikipedia as linked data subject ID
Brian Gryth: wikipedia as linked data subject ID ←
15:20:02 <george> george: getting wrist cramps
George Thomas: getting wrist cramps ←
15:20:04 <Daniel_Bennett> is it time for a motion?
Daniel Bennett: is it time for a motion? ←
15:20:12 <george> george: @daniel yes
George Thomas: @daniel yes ←
15:20:20 <josema> ok, ok
José Alonso: ok, ok ←
15:20:21 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks to george for scribe.
Daniel Bennett: thanks to george for scribe. ←
15:20:27 <josema> +1
José Alonso: +1 ←
15:20:33 <hg> +1
Hugh Glaser: +1 ←
15:21:04 <george> brian: wikipedia for auth subject, points to ig wiki for best practice
Brian Gryth: wikipedia for auth subject, points to ig wiki for best practice ←
15:21:54 <george> brian: emp should be on first two task force work
Brian Gryth: emp should be on first two task force work ←
15:23:25 <george> josema: first time discussion of this topic on this call - suggests that joe/daniel disseminate existing/other examples that demonstrate the idea to see what members also like the idea or have opinions or want to help with the idea
José Alonso: first time discussion of this topic on this call - suggests that joe/daniel disseminate existing/other examples that demonstrate the idea to see what members also like the idea or have opinions or want to help with the idea ←
15:23:55 <george> joec: wasn't sure if this was appr for this ig since it's wikipedia
Joe Carmel: wasn't sure if this was appr for this ig since it's wikipedia ←
15:24:14 <george> josema: thinks it's worth ig member discussion, might grow this community as well
José Alonso: thinks it's worth ig member discussion, might grow this community as well ←
15:24:36 <josema> ACTION: joe to send mail to the group about wikipedia ideas
ACTION: joe to send mail to the group about wikipedia ideas ←
15:24:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Send mail to the group about wikipedia ideas [on Joe Carmel - due 2009-12-16].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-94 - Send mail to the group about wikipedia ideas [on Joe Carmel - due 2009-12-16]. ←
15:25:24 <george> daniel: * is this idea extends what we do on our website - staging ground, outgrowth of wikipedia
Daniel Bennett: * is this idea extends what we do on our website - staging ground, outgrowth of wikipedia ←
15:25:26 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
15:25:34 <george> george: interwiki links suggested by daniel?
George Thomas: interwiki links suggested by daniel? ←
15:26:07 <george> george: dbpedia linked data specs for vocab as auth resolution of ogd/lod/lgd/etc
George Thomas: dbpedia linked data specs for vocab as auth resolution of ogd/lod/lgd/etc ←
15:26:09 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, take up next agendum ←
15:26:09 <Zakim> agendum 7. "what's going / coming up" taken up [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 7. "what's going / coming up" taken up [from josema] ←
<sandro> topic: what's going / coming up
15:26:19 <george> josema: other issues for today - speak now
José Alonso: other issues for today - speak now ←
15:26:36 <george> daniel: us hubbub - get beth to talk to us?
Daniel Bennett: us hubbub - get beth to talk to us? ←
15:27:11 <george> daniel: shoutout to ecitizen launch
Daniel Bennett: shoutout to ecitizen launch ←
15:28:12 <george> george: data.gov isn't a beth noveck thing, this is a different pmo - mary mcaffery is a good place to connect to linda travers (epa) and sonny bhagawolia (doi) cio's that lead this pmo - who have expressed interest in interacting with the group recently, but not followed up
George Thomas: data.gov isn't a beth noveck thing, this is a different pmo - mary mcaffery is a good place to connect to linda travers (epa) and sonny bhagawolia (doi) cio's that lead this pmo - who have expressed interest in interacting with the group recently, but not followed up ←
15:29:01 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks george. was also referring to OGI stuff
Daniel Bennett: thanks george. was also referring to OGI stuff ←
15:29:02 <OwenAmbur> Facebook developers "garage" December 14 in DC: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=211794929514
Owen Ambur: Facebook developers "garage" December 14 in DC: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=211794929514 ←
15:29:03 <george> josema: will send examples from recent event showcasing some of what this group is evangelizing
José Alonso: will send examples from recent event showcasing some of what this group is evangelizing ←
15:29:19 <george> josema: concludes for today - next meeting 1/6/201
José Alonso: concludes for today - next meeting 1/6/201 ←
15:29:27 <george> @josema you're welcome
@josema you're welcome ←
15:29:35 <Zakim> -Brian
Zakim IRC Bot: -Brian ←
15:29:37 <Zakim> - +1.410.975.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.410.975.aahh ←
15:29:37 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
José Alonso: [ADJOURNED] ←
15:29:38 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:29:40 <george> josema: we're ajourned
José Alonso: we're ajourned ←
15:29:41 <Zakim> -sam
Zakim IRC Bot: -sam ←
15:29:42 <Daniel_Bennett> note that SVG is catching on for graphics on web sites
Daniel Bennett: note that SVG is catching on for graphics on web sites ←
15:29:44 <Zakim> -Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rachel ←
15:29:45 <Vagner> bye
Vagner Diniz: bye ←
15:29:45 <Zakim> -George
Zakim IRC Bot: -George ←
15:29:45 <sandro> Thanks josema !
Sandro Hawke: Thanks josema ! ←
15:29:46 <Zakim> -joec
Zakim IRC Bot: -joec ←
15:29:48 <Daniel_Bennett> ok bye
Daniel Bennett: ok bye ←
15:29:48 <Zakim> -josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -josema ←
15:29:51 <Zakim> -Owen
Zakim IRC Bot: -Owen ←
15:29:58 <Zakim> -Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: -Daniel_Bennett ←
15:30:02 <josema> rrsagent, make minutes
José Alonso: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:30:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-egov-minutes.html josema ←
15:30:15 <sandro> george, there's a problem with some weird characters someone pasted. I'll fix it now.
Sandro Hawke: george, there's a problem with some weird characters someone pasted. I'll fix it now. ←
15:31:32 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
15:31:32 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-egov-irc#T15-31-32
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/12/09-egov-irc#T15-31-32 ←
15:32:06 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended ←
15:32:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, +1.509.464.aaaa, +1.202.441.aabb, josema, sam, Rachel, George, +55115509aacc, +1.202.731.aadd, Vagner, Kevin, Owen, +1.202.449.aaee, Daniel_Bennett,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, +1.509.464.aaaa, +1.202.441.aabb, josema, sam, Rachel, George, +55115509aacc, +1.202.731.aadd, Vagner, Kevin, Owen, +1.202.449.aaee, Daniel_Bennett, ←
15:32:10 <Zakim> ... +1.303.748.aaff, Brian, +1.410.992.aagg, joec, +1.410.975.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.303.748.aaff, Brian, +1.410.992.aagg, joec, +1.410.975.aahh ←
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