eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 30 September 2009

Seen
Adam Harvey, Brand Niemann, Brian Gryth, Daniel Bennett, George Thomas, Joe Carmel, John Sheridan, José Alonso, Kevin Novak, Sandro Hawke, Thomas Bandholtz, Todd Vincent, Vagner Diniz
Guests
Todd Vincent
Scribe
Daniel Bennett
IRC Log
Original and Editable Wiki Version
Resolutions

None.

Topics
<sandro> Guest: Todd Vincent
<sandro> Scribe: Bennett

(Scribe set to Daniel Bennett)

12:53:38 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-egov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-egov-irc

12:53:47 <sandro> zakim, this wil be egov

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this wil be egov

12:53:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this wil be egov', sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this wil be egov', sandro

12:53:54 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov

12:53:54 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

12:58:28 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started

12:58:35 <Zakim> + +1.202.651.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.651.aaaa

12:59:14 <Daniel_Bennett> aaaa is Daniel Bennett

aaaa is Daniel Bennett

12:59:17 <Zakim> +johnlsheridan

Zakim IRC Bot: +johnlsheridan

13:00:35 <Zakim> + +1.202.441.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.441.aabb

13:00:39 <Daniel_Bennett> note Daniel is in noisy coffee house. I will stay on mute and type. (chance I may need to leave at 10am)

note Daniel is in noisy coffee house. I will stay on mute and type. (chance I may need to leave at 10am)

13:00:54 <Zakim> + +1.410.992.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.410.992.aacc

13:01:05 <Daniel_Bennett> hi Joe

hi Joe

13:01:12 <Daniel_Bennett> remind Joe to go on IRC

remind Joe to go on IRC

13:01:46 <Daniel_Bennett> and that way he can send links

and that way he can send links

13:02:18 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks John

thanks John

13:02:21 <Zakim> + +1.303.748.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.303.748.aadd

13:02:43 <Zakim> +Brand

Zakim IRC Bot: +Brand

13:04:02 <Zakim> - +1.303.748.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.303.748.aadd

13:04:08 <Zakim> + +1.859.408.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.859.408.aaee

13:04:09 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

13:04:17 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

13:04:33 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.410.992.aacc (8%), +1.859.408.aaee (83%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.410.992.aacc (8%), +1.859.408.aaee (83%)

13:04:38 <Zakim> -Brand

Zakim IRC Bot: -Brand

13:04:39 <sandro> zakim, drop aaee

Sandro Hawke: zakim, drop aaee

13:04:40 <Zakim> + +1.303.748.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.303.748.aaff

13:04:40 <Zakim> +1.859.408.aaee is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: +1.859.408.aaee is being disconnected

13:04:41 <Zakim> - +1.859.408.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.859.408.aaee

13:05:12 <Zakim> +Brand

Zakim IRC Bot: +Brand

13:05:21 <sandro> Hey +1-859-408 person -- you were causing LOUD static on the line.

Sandro Hawke: Hey +1-859-408 person -- you were causing LOUD static on the line.

13:05:23 <Daniel_Bennett> i miss jose's hold music

i miss jose's hold music

13:06:01 <Zakim> +kevin

Zakim IRC Bot: +kevin

13:06:30 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

13:06:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.651.aaaa, johnlsheridan (muted), +1.202.441.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, Sandro, +1.303.748.aaff (muted), Brand, kevin

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.202.651.aaaa, johnlsheridan (muted), +1.202.441.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, Sandro, +1.303.748.aaff (muted), Brand, kevin

13:06:45 <Zakim> + +1.859.408.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.859.408.aagg

13:06:51 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel says hi to Kevin

Daniel says hi to Kevin

13:07:05 <Daniel_Bennett> 651 is daniel

651 is daniel

13:07:11 <Daniel_Bennett> that's me

that's me

13:07:14 <Daniel_Bennett> on mute

on mute

13:07:24 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is Daniel_Bennett

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is Daniel_Bennett

13:07:24 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Daniel_Bennett; got it

13:07:27 <Daniel_Bennett> I did at beginning

I did at beginning

13:07:48 <sandro> zakim, aabb is George_Thomas

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aabb is George_Thomas

13:07:48 <Zakim> +George_Thomas; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +George_Thomas; got it

13:08:15 <sandro> zakim, aacc is Joe_Carmel

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aacc is Joe_Carmel

13:08:15 <Zakim> +Joe_Carmel; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Joe_Carmel; got it

13:08:19 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

13:08:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan (muted), George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, +1.303.748.aaff (muted), Brand, kevin, +1.859.408.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan (muted), George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, +1.303.748.aaff (muted), Brand, kevin, +1.859.408.aagg

13:08:40 <sandro> zakim, aaff is Brian_Gryth

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaff is Brian_Gryth

13:08:40 <Zakim> +Brian_Gryth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Brian_Gryth; got it

13:08:57 <sandro> zakim, aagg is Todd_Vincent

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aagg is Todd_Vincent

13:08:57 <Zakim> +Todd_Vincent; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Todd_Vincent; got it

13:09:05 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

13:09:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan (muted), George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth (muted), Brand, kevin, Todd_Vincent

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan (muted), George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth (muted), Brand, kevin, Todd_Vincent

13:09:13 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: asking for phone participants

Sandro Hawke: asking for phone participants

13:09:25 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: reading out roll

Sandro Hawke: reading out roll

13:09:30 <johnlsheridan> unmute me

John Sheridan: unmute me

13:09:37 <sandro> zakim, unmute johnlsheridan

Sandro Hawke: zakim, unmute johnlsheridan

13:09:37 <Zakim> johnlsheridan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: johnlsheridan should no longer be muted

13:10:13 <Daniel_Bennett> John: first thing on the agenda is the 14th of Nov. any scribe volunteers?

John Sheridan: first thing on the agenda is the 14th of Nov. any scribe volunteers?

13:10:27 <Daniel_Bennett> John: picks himself... graciously

John Sheridan: picks himself... graciously

13:10:49 <Daniel_Bennett> John: that is the 14th of Oct

John Sheridan: that is the 14th of Oct

13:11:29 <sandro> action-1?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-1?

13:11:29 <trackbot> ACTION-1 -- Ari Schwartz to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF -- due 2008-07-02 -- CLOSED

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-1 -- Ari Schwartz to open a new section in the wiki for use cases for his TF -- due 2008-07-02 -- CLOSED

13:11:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/1

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/1

13:11:50 <Daniel_Bennett> John: review of open items. please post link to IRC

John Sheridan: review of open items. please post link to IRC

13:11:53 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open

13:12:54 <Daniel_Bennett> John: Action 3 and 14 are old. 70 has moved on, first with Keven.

John Sheridan: ACTION-3 and 14 are old. 70 has moved on, first with Keven.

13:13:25 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: original white paper, has been met/superceded by Data.gov response

Kevin Novak: original white paper, has been met/superceded by Data.gov response

13:13:43 <sandro> close action-70

Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-70

13:13:43 <trackbot> ACTION-70 draft white paper closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-70 draft white paper closed

13:13:47 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we have moved on from original

Kevin Novak: we have moved on from original

13:13:54 <Daniel_Bennett> John: close 70

John Sheridan: close 70

13:14:34 <Daniel_Bennett> John: leave 14 open and check on Action 3

John Sheridan: leave 14 open and check on ACTION-3

13:14:40 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

13:14:50 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: johnlsheridan (4%), Joe_Carmel (9%), kevin (81%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: johnlsheridan (4%), Joe_Carmel (9%), kevin (81%)

13:14:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: leave Action 3 open. still looking into partnership/etc

Kevin Novak: leave ACTION-3 open. still looking into partnership/etc

13:15:37 <Daniel_Bennett> John: Action 71 was Jose. There is a working draft on HTML5 and RDFa?

John Sheridan: ACTION-71 was Jose. There is a working draft on HTML5 and RDFa?

13:15:58 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: Doesn't know

Sandro Hawke: Doesn't know

13:16:17 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: is working on it

Daniel Bennett: is working on it

13:16:45 <sandro> close action-84

Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-84

13:16:45 <trackbot> ACTION-84 Support and reach out to other AC reps to encourage support of eGov Charter closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-84 Support and reach out to other AC reps to encourage support of eGov Charter closed

13:16:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: talked with Kevin and will have more next meeting

Daniel Bennett: talked with Kevin and will have more next meeting

13:16:54 <Daniel_Bennett> John: closing 84

John Sheridan: closing 84

13:17:24 <Daniel_Bennett> John: Action 89 is still on

John Sheridan: ACTION-89 is still on

13:17:59 <Daniel_Bennett> John: question about attending by Kevin suggested by Sharron

John Sheridan: question about attending by Kevin suggested by Sharron

13:18:29 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: about attending TPAC

Kevin Novak: about attending TPAC

13:18:41 <Zakim> + +1.404.822.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.404.822.aahh

13:18:41 <Daniel_Bennett> so where does it stand?

so where does it stand?

13:19:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: still on me

Kevin Novak: still on me

13:19:31 <Daniel_Bennett> John: Action 92. reach out to agencies

John Sheridan: ACTION-92. reach out to agencies

13:19:40 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: yes, leave it open

Kevin Novak: yes, leave it open

13:19:57 <Daniel_Bennett> John: Action 93 on Sandro

John Sheridan: ACTION-93 on Sandro

13:20:20 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: no responses so close Action 93

Sandro Hawke: no responses so close ACTION-93

13:20:45 <Daniel_Bennett> John: leave it open and now push it as item for others to do

John Sheridan: leave it open and now push it as item for others to do

13:20:52 <sandro> revise action as: try to get people to use it...

Sandro Hawke: revise action as: try to get people to use it...

13:20:56 <Daniel_Bennett> John: let's move on to Charter review

John Sheridan: let's move on to Charter review

13:21:31 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2009/06/eGov/ig-charter

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2009/06/eGov/ig-charter

13:22:01 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: can say that it looks good but no official

Sandro Hawke: can say that it looks good but no official

13:22:12 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: has heard good feedback

Kevin Novak: has heard good feedback

13:22:31 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: possibility of getting additional assistance

Kevin Novak: possibility of getting additional assistance

13:22:37 <Zakim> -Todd_Vincent

Zakim IRC Bot: -Todd_Vincent

13:22:48 <Zakim> +??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30

13:22:53 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: we got healthy 15 or so comments on Charter

Sandro Hawke: we got healthy 15 or so comments on Charter

13:22:55 <josema> zakim, ??P30 is me

José Alonso: zakim, ??P30 is me

13:22:55 <Zakim> +josema; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +josema; got it

13:23:08 <Daniel_Bennett> John: next steps. internal review in w3c

John Sheridan: next steps. internal review in w3c

13:23:21 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: next week is now set for review

Sandro Hawke: next week is now set for review

13:23:35 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:23:42 <Daniel_Bennett> John: any questions on the charter review?

John Sheridan: any questions on the charter review?

13:23:45 <Daniel_Bennett> silence

silence

13:23:50 <Daniel_Bennett> more silence

more silence

13:23:54 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: next IG call: Sep 30, AGENDA: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Sep/0028.html

Sandro Hawke: sandro has changed the topic to: next IG call: Sep 30, AGENDA: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009Sep/0028.html

13:24:06 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:24:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth (muted), Brand, kevin, +1.404.822.aahh, josema

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth (muted), Brand, kevin, +1.404.822.aahh, josema

13:24:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see josema, joec, Zakim, RRSAgent, Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, hughb, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see josema, joec, Zakim, RRSAgent, Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, hughb, sandro, trackbot

13:24:12 <Daniel_Bennett> John: lets move on to next agenda. where do we go on from here.

John Sheridan: lets move on to next agenda. where do we go on from here.

13:24:29 <sandro> Topic: Where to go from here?

1. Where to go from here?

13:24:31 <josema> regrets+ rachel

José Alonso: regrets+ rachel

13:24:43 <Daniel_Bennett> John: in particular within scope of charter

John Sheridan: in particular within scope of charter

13:25:24 <Daniel_Bennett> John: what would make the participants happy doing?

John Sheridan: what would make the participants happy doing?

13:25:45 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: throws something out. at face to face... we talked about best practices

Joe Carmel: throws something out. at face to face... we talked about best practices

13:26:48 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: call for use cases. compiling them. analysis of uses cases. value add on what gov does.

Daniel Bennett: call for use cases. compiling them. analysis of uses cases. value add on what gov does.

13:27:04 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: about cataloging the data

Joe Carmel: about cataloging the data

13:27:27 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: what is the data that govs actually have and what can be done

Joe Carmel: what is the data that govs actually have and what can be done

13:27:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: those are the two things that interest me.

Joe Carmel: those are the two things that interest me.

13:28:34 <Daniel_Bennett> John: most efforts into government data piece. esp. linked data

John Sheridan: most efforts into government data piece. esp. linked data

13:28:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: can we go round robin asking folks on the call?

Daniel Bennett: can we go round robin asking folks on the call?

13:29:17 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

13:29:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth (muted), Brand, kevin, +1.404.822.aahh, josema

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth (muted), Brand, kevin, +1.404.822.aahh, josema

13:29:46 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks

thanks

13:29:57 <Daniel_Bennett> on mute

on mute

13:29:59 <Zakim> +AdamHarvey

Zakim IRC Bot: +AdamHarvey

13:30:10 <Daniel_Bennett> so cant talk

so cant talk

13:30:13 <Daniel_Bennett> ah

ah

13:30:15 <AdamHarvey> Sorry I'm late!

Adam Harvey: Sorry I'm late!

13:30:40 <Daniel_Bennett> I am looking to see finding use cases and comparing to best practices

I am looking to see finding use cases and comparing to best practices

13:30:54 <Daniel_Bennett> and evaluating according to w3c standards

and evaluating according to w3c standards

13:31:21 <sandro> Kevin: EO group includes linked data, but also all the Web 1.0 stuff, including accessibility, etc.

Kevin Novak: EO group includes linked data, but also all the Web 1.0 stuff, including accessibility, etc. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

13:31:23 <Daniel_Bennett> and also cataloging use cases with analysis/annotation

and also cataloging use cases with analysis/annotation

13:31:31 <Daniel_Bennett> (reminder on mute)

(reminder on mute)

13:32:11 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

13:32:21 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Daniel_Bennett (35%), johnlsheridan (4%), Brand (90%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Daniel_Bennett (35%), johnlsheridan (4%), Brand (90%)

13:32:38 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: how we can get more involved in data.gov

Brand Niemann: how we can get more involved in data.gov

13:32:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: especially in approaching Vivek Kundra

Brand Niemann: especially in approaching Vivek Kundra

13:33:13 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: data.gov effort looking to RDFa

Brand Niemann: data.gov effort looking to RDFa

13:34:10 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: reached out and the feedback was that a govt only group. only employees. I stated we are ready to help here at W3C egov.

Kevin Novak: reached out and the feedback was that a govt only group. only employees. I stated we are ready to help here at W3C egov.

13:34:13 <johnlsheridan> doesn't the memo say gov is participative?

John Sheridan: doesn't the memo say gov is participative?

13:35:52 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: still closed

Brand Niemann: still closed

13:36:23 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: hoping this group can be part. data.gov looks like RDFa positive.

Brand Niemann: hoping this group can be part. data.gov looks like RDFa positive.

13:36:24 <josema> I believe George referred to this doc with his comments: http://george.thomas.name/omb/HHS_Comments_Data.gov_Conops.doc

José Alonso: I believe George referred to this doc with his comments: http://george.thomas.name/omb/HHS_Comments_Data.gov_Conops.doc

13:37:29 <AdamHarvey> Thanks, Jose...

Adam Harvey: Thanks, Jose...

13:38:13 <sandro> (um, who is speaking?)

Sandro Hawke: (um, who is speaking?)

13:38:25 <johnlsheridan> George

John Sheridan: George

13:38:31 <sandro> (thanks)

Sandro Hawke: (thanks)

13:38:49 <Daniel_Bennett> George: speaking to data.gov

George Thomas: speaking to data.gov

13:39:11 <Daniel_Bennett> George: stated the URL for his comments

George Thomas: stated the URL for his comments

13:39:42 <Daniel_Bennett> (who is speaking? please announce yourself before speaking. thanks)

(who is speaking? please announce yourself before speaking. thanks)

13:40:01 <johnlsheridan> currently it is brand

John Sheridan: currently it is brand

13:40:23 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: Ontology and data models for government. Brand is leading part of the effort.

Brand Niemann: Ontology and data models for government. Brand is leading part of the effort.

13:40:58 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: mentions the conferences next week

Brand Niemann: mentions the conferences next week

13:41:22 <AdamHarvey> Speak up Daniel...

Adam Harvey: Speak up Daniel...

13:41:47 <sandro> Daniel: I'll be speaking at the XBRL+W3C conference next week.  If anyone is interested go to ....

Daniel Bennett: I'll be speaking at the XBRL+W3C conference next week. If anyone is interested go to .... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

13:42:03 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2009/03/xbrl/cfp.html

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2009/03/xbrl/cfp.html

13:42:20 <Daniel_Bennett> yes, thanks sandro

yes, thanks sandro

13:42:56 <Daniel_Bennett> and Diane Mueller

and Diane Mueller

13:43:22 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:43:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan (muted), George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth (muted), Brand, kevin, +1.404.822.aahh, josema, AdamHarvey

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan (muted), George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth (muted), Brand, kevin, +1.404.822.aahh, josema, AdamHarvey

13:43:23 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: several folks will be there

Kevin Novak: several folks will be there

13:43:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see tb, AdamHarvey, josema, joec, Zakim, RRSAgent, Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, hughb, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tb, AdamHarvey, josema, joec, Zakim, RRSAgent, Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, hughb, sandro, trackbot

13:43:29 <Daniel_Bennett> silence

silence

13:43:34 <josema> john, if you are speaking, you are muted!

José Alonso: john, if you are speaking, you are muted!

13:44:14 <Daniel_Bennett> he is on mute again

he is on mute again

13:44:18 <Daniel_Bennett> take him off

take him off

13:44:21 <johnlsheridan> can you hear me

John Sheridan: can you hear me

13:44:24 <josema> ack jo

José Alonso: ack jo

13:44:30 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

13:44:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan (muted), George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth (muted), Brand, kevin, +1.404.822.aahh, josema, AdamHarvey

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan (muted), George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth (muted), Brand, kevin, +1.404.822.aahh, josema, AdamHarvey

13:44:33 <johnlsheridan> I'll dial back in

John Sheridan: I'll dial back in

13:44:35 <Daniel_Bennett> it says he is muted

it says he is muted

13:44:35 <josema> zakim, unmute johnlsheridan

José Alonso: zakim, unmute johnlsheridan

13:44:35 <Zakim> johnlsheridan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: johnlsheridan should no longer be muted

13:45:15 <Zakim> + +49.178.404.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.178.404.aaii

13:45:40 <Daniel_Bennett> John: asking around about participants interest.

John Sheridan: asking around about participants interest.

13:46:01 <tb> Thomas bandholtz is calling from Germany

Thomas Bandholtz: Thomas bandholtz is calling from Germany

13:46:21 <sandro> zakim, aaii is Thomas_Bandholtz

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaii is Thomas_Bandholtz

13:46:21 <Daniel_Bennett> Adam: already on ETF. wants to help translate techspeak especially for local govts

Adam Harvey: already on ETF. wants to help translate techspeak especially for local govts

13:46:23 <Zakim> +Thomas_Bandholtz; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Thomas_Bandholtz; got it

13:46:45 <Daniel_Bennett> John: this is consistent with our efforts

John Sheridan: this is consistent with our efforts

13:46:46 <Zakim> +??P35

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P35

13:49:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: working on a couple of projects. spending most of time on projects that open gov data involved.

José Alonso: working on a couple of projects. spending most of time on projects that open gov data involved.

13:50:03 <Zakim> + +1.202.270.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.270.aajj

13:50:37 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: we still need to put out W3Cstandards. dealing with proprietary formats.

José Alonso: we still need to put out W3Cstandards. dealing with proprietary formats.

13:51:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: it is complicating the point of open gov data

José Alonso: it is complicating the point of open gov data

13:51:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: are you chartered to look at cataloging gov looking at standards.

Joe Carmel: are you chartered to look at cataloging gov looking at standards.

13:51:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: a lot of agencies dealing with legacy data.

Kevin Novak: a lot of agencies dealing with legacy data.

13:51:59 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: how can we aid agencies with this problem set.

Kevin Novak: how can we aid agencies with this problem set.

13:52:01 <Daniel_Bennett> we should address those that need 100% solutions for data to be useful vs. those that can just move on with new data.

we should address those that need 100% solutions for data to be useful vs. those that can just move on with new data.

13:52:16 <Daniel_Bennett> missed. who is speaking

missed. who is speaking

13:52:30 <josema> we are building a number of transformers, but it's hard and most are adhoc due to how legacy data was archived :(

José Alonso: we are building a number of transformers, but it's hard and most are adhoc due to how legacy data was archived :(

13:53:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Brian: Local govt need esp. help on this. this is my interest with outreach to locals.

Brian Gryth: Local govt need esp. help on this. this is my interest with outreach to locals.

13:54:06 <Daniel_Bennett> John: we have similar issue. my experience does not hire those folks

John Sheridan: we have similar issue. my experience does not hire those folks

13:55:56 <Daniel_Bennett> Brian: no money for this work

Brian Gryth: no money for this work

13:58:19 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: talking about just having raw data. and then allow others to overlay documentation.

Joe Carmel: talking about just having raw data. and then allow others to overlay documentation.

13:58:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Brian: lets at least catalog.

Brian Gryth: lets at least catalog.

13:59:28 <Daniel_Bennett> how about open sourcing the conversion of gov docs. like recaptcha

how about open sourcing the conversion of gov docs. like recaptcha

13:59:30 <Daniel_Bennett> ?

?

14:00:18 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: it is possible to do PDF things like include embedded xml and named locations.

Joe Carmel: it is possible to do PDF things like include embedded xml and named locations.

14:00:38 <Zakim> -Brand

Zakim IRC Bot: -Brand

14:00:49 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: that is not standard practice and does not apply to legacy docs. and adobe looking to Mars Project.

Daniel Bennett: that is not standard practice and does not apply to legacy docs. and adobe looking to Mars Project.

14:01:49 <Daniel_Bennett> Brian: resources lack and IT lack is holding folks back.

Brian Gryth: resources lack and IT lack is holding folks back.

14:02:27 <Daniel_Bennett> Brian: human speak is better than geek speak at getting gov folks to see importance of good data practices

Brian Gryth: human speak is better than geek speak at getting gov folks to see importance of good data practices

14:03:04 <Daniel_Bennett> John: is there anyone more to speak?

John Sheridan: is there anyone more to speak?

14:05:13 <Daniel_Bennett> ThomasB: Inspire project

Thomas Bandholtz: Inspire project

14:05:29 <Daniel_Bennett> (missed part due to phone and hard to hear)

(missed part due to phone and hard to hear)

14:05:56 <Daniel_Bennett> John: i am on the Inspire project

John Sheridan: i am on the Inspire project

14:06:20 <Daniel_Bennett> John: looking to this for implementation.

John Sheridan: looking to this for implementation.

14:06:24 <sandro> http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/  Inspire, Spacial Data Infrastructure

Sandro Hawke: http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/ Inspire, Spacial Data Infrastructure

14:06:55 <johnlsheridan> it's all very top down

John Sheridan: it's all very top down

14:07:25 <Daniel_Bennett> ThomasB: project of mashups with Google maps ...

Thomas Bandholtz: project of mashups with Google maps ...

14:09:16 <Zakim> -kevin

Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin

14:09:22 <Daniel_Bennett> ThomasB: we are publishing more

Thomas Bandholtz: we are publishing more

14:09:45 <Daniel_Bennett> ThomasB: from outside of Inspire. see how it can be linked up.

Thomas Bandholtz: from outside of Inspire. see how it can be linked up.

14:10:14 <Daniel_Bennett> John: some of the problems and issues related to the law versus what is possible.

John Sheridan: some of the problems and issues related to the law versus what is possible.

14:10:38 <Daniel_Bennett> John: last call for participants.

John Sheridan: last call for participants.

14:10:41 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

14:10:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth, +1.404.822.aahh, josema, AdamHarvey, Thomas_Bandholtz, ??P35, +1.202.270.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Sandro, Brian_Gryth, +1.404.822.aahh, josema, AdamHarvey, Thomas_Bandholtz, ??P35, +1.202.270.aajj

14:10:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vagner, tb, AdamHarvey, josema, joec, Zakim, RRSAgent, Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, hughb, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Vagner, tb, AdamHarvey, josema, joec, Zakim, RRSAgent, Daniel_Bennett, johnlsheridan, hughb, sandro, trackbot

14:10:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Todd: has been lurking this group.

Todd Vincent: has been lurking this group.

14:11:01 <josema> zakim, aajj is probably Todd_Vincent

José Alonso: zakim, aajj is probably Todd_Vincent

14:11:01 <Zakim> +Todd_Vincent; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Todd_Vincent; got it

14:11:02 <Daniel_Bennett> Todd: interested in web standards.

Todd Vincent: interested in web standards.

14:11:25 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: personal interest. help provide with tech stuff.

Sandro Hawke: personal interest. help provide with tech stuff.

14:11:31 <johnlsheridan> http://blogs.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/digitalengagement/post/2009/09/30/Calling-Open-Data-Developers-We-need-your-help.aspx

John Sheridan: http://blogs.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/digitalengagement/post/2009/09/30/Calling-Open-Data-Developers-We-need-your-help.aspx

14:12:08 <Daniel_Bennett> John: on issue of linked data.. soft launch of data.gov like service

John Sheridan: on issue of linked data.. soft launch of data.gov like service

14:12:20 <sandro> johnlsheridan: We're doing the VERY SOFT launch of the UK equiv of data.gov today.     Preview access on request.

John Sheridan: We're doing the VERY SOFT launch of the UK equiv of data.gov today. Preview access on request. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:12:24 <Daniel_Bennett> John: ask for log in to see

John Sheridan: ask for log in to see

14:12:51 <Daniel_Bennett> John: if you go to link then go to google group

John Sheridan: if you go to link then go to google group

14:12:51 <AdamHarvey> http://groups.google.com/group/uk-government-data-developers/

Adam Harvey: http://groups.google.com/group/uk-government-data-developers/

14:13:52 <josema> zakim, ??P35 is probably vagner

José Alonso: zakim, ??P35 is probably vagner

14:13:52 <Zakim> +vagner; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +vagner; got it

14:14:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Vagner: we are developing new stuff for open gov.

Vagner Diniz: we are developing new stuff for open gov.

14:15:13 <Daniel_Bennett> can you post links Vagner?

can you post links Vagner?

14:16:37 <Zakim> -Todd_Vincent

Zakim IRC Bot: -Todd_Vincent

14:17:40 <josema> topic: Legislation and Citations

2. Legislation and Citations

14:17:40 <joec> http://legislink.org/us

Joe Carmel: http://legislink.org/us

14:17:40 <Zakim> -George_Thomas

Zakim IRC Bot: -George_Thomas

14:18:00 <johnlsheridan> People are already building stuff around our legislation API, eg: http://github.com/robmckinnon/legislation-uk

John Sheridan: People are already building stuff around our legislation API, eg: http://github.com/robmckinnon/legislation-uk

14:18:34 <johnlsheridan> the UK legislation API is at www.legislation.gov.uk - and we're surfacing some RDF too, with more to come.

John Sheridan: the UK legislation API is at www.legislation.gov.uk - and we're surfacing some RDF too, with more to come.

14:19:27 <Vagner> link to an XML open data project in Brazil: http://projeto.lexml.gov.br/documentacao/resumo-em-ingles

Vagner Diniz: link to an XML open data project in Brazil: http://projeto.lexml.gov.br/documentacao/resumo-em-ingles

14:19:32 <AdamHarvey> I just got pulled into a meeting,... have to leave.

Adam Harvey: I just got pulled into a meeting,... have to leave.

14:19:38 <Zakim> -AdamHarvey

Zakim IRC Bot: -AdamHarvey

14:20:20 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: discussing a method of providing links to gov docs including sub/anchored links

Joe Carmel: discussing a method of providing links to gov docs including sub/anchored links

14:20:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: need to help govt w/ overlay

Joe Carmel: need to help govt w/ overlay

14:21:35 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel says that having open data, allows overlays like legislink independent of gov. does not keep gov from doing anything.

Daniel says that having open data, allows overlays like legislink independent of gov. does not keep gov from doing anything.

14:22:27 <Daniel_Bennett> is a value add that can help influence gov. as opposed to current practice of bad data that private firms fix/normalize and then provide expensive access

is a value add that can help influence gov. as opposed to current practice of bad data that private firms fix/normalize and then provide expensive access

14:28:08 <Zakim> -Daniel_Bennett

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Daniel_Bennett

14:29:21 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?

José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer?

14:29:21 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-egov-irc#T14-29-21

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-egov-irc#T14-29-21

14:30:46 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes

14:30:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-egov-minutes.html josema

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-egov-minutes.html josema

14:33:33 <josema> [scribe disconnected]

José Alonso: [scribe disconnected]

14:33:38 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes

14:33:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-egov-minutes.html josema

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/30-egov-minutes.html josema

14:36:57 <josema> [ADJOURNED]

José Alonso: [ADJOURNED]

14:37:27 <Zakim> - +1.404.822.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.404.822.aahh

14:37:29 <Zakim> -Brian_Gryth

Zakim IRC Bot: -Brian_Gryth

14:37:30 <Zakim> -josema

Zakim IRC Bot: -josema

14:37:33 <Zakim> -johnlsheridan

Zakim IRC Bot: -johnlsheridan

14:37:36 <Zakim> -vagner

Zakim IRC Bot: -vagner

14:37:37 <Zakim> -Joe_Carmel

Zakim IRC Bot: -Joe_Carmel

14:37:38 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:37:40 <Zakim> -Thomas_Bandholtz

Zakim IRC Bot: -Thomas_Bandholtz

14:37:41 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

14:37:42 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.202.651.aaaa, johnlsheridan, +1.202.441.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, +1.303.748.aadd, Brand, +1.859.408.aaee, Sandro, +1.303.748.aaff, kevin, +1.859.408.aagg,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.202.651.aaaa, johnlsheridan, +1.202.441.aabb, +1.410.992.aacc, +1.303.748.aadd, Brand, +1.859.408.aaee, Sandro, +1.303.748.aaff, kevin, +1.859.408.aagg,

14:37:45 <Zakim> ... Daniel_Bennett, George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Brian_Gryth, Todd_Vincent, +1.404.822.aahh, josema, AdamHarvey, +49.178.404.aaii, Thomas_Bandholtz, +1.202.270.aajj, Todd_Vincent?,

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Daniel_Bennett, George_Thomas, Joe_Carmel, Brian_Gryth, Todd_Vincent, +1.404.822.aahh, josema, AdamHarvey, +49.178.404.aaii, Thomas_Bandholtz, +1.202.270.aajj, Todd_Vincent?,

14:37:48 <Zakim> ... vagner?

Zakim IRC Bot: ... vagner?

14:37:55 <joec> thanks everyone

Joe Carmel: thanks everyone

14:40:30 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make record public

14:47:12 <joec> still here daniel?

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Joe Carmel: still here daniel?



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