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			<title>Minutes and Resolutions November F2F TPAC Santa Clara</title>
			<link>http://www.w3.org/blog/CSS/2009/11/25/resolutions_84</link>
			<dc:date>2009-11-25T18:52:43Z</dc:date>
			<dc:creator>fantasai</dc:creator>
			<dc:subject>resolutions</dc:subject>
			<description>Drop Shadows and Filter Effects


  Discussed drop shadows and what inner shadow is.
    (Tab: the shadow is cast by a negative of the alpha channel, then clipped
            to the actual alpha channel)
  Discussed applying effects like drop shadows and opacity to different
    parts of the box. (fantasai: The pieces we'd need to address, in various
    combinations: background layers, border (one piece), content (one piece))
    Only adjacent layers would need to be composited together. Drop shadows
    would then paint immediately below the composited layer.
    See also fantasai's message on this topic.
  It seems likely the SVG
    filters spec and the filter property would be able to
    address these use cases, particularly if parametrized canned filters were
    added for commonly desired effects and CSS targets were added e.g. as
    described by roc.
  This topic will be further discussed with the SVGWG possibly on the
    public-fx@w3.org
    mailing list.


Full minutes

Media Queries for HTML5 Video

It is proposed to add media queries to  &#60;video&#62; and then
to also define queries for the user's special needs. These new media queries
will go into a new media queries module.

Full minutes

CSS2.1 Test Suite Status

Reviewed status of CSS2.1 test suite. Still on track wrt
roadmap.
fantasai has a rough coverage report, but is missing many of Microsoft's tests
because they don't have the right metadata. (Microsoft's management is preventing
Arron from correcting the tests.)

Full minutes

Selectors


  Reviewed intention of default attribute wording so that it can be clarified.
  Reviewed implementation reports and checked a few more implementations
  Resolved: Advance to Proposed Recommendation for
    Selectors Level 3.
    [Disposition of Comments]
    [Implementation Reports]


Full minutes

CSS3 Color


  Resolved: Drop section 3.1.1 from CSS3 Color.
  Resolved: Add color-correction property with
    values default and srgb where default
    is UA-defined and srgb corrects untagged images to sRGB.
  See also David
    Baron's follow-up message proposing something different.


Full minutes

display: run-in

Worked through issues summarized in Bert's email


  Resolved: Accepted proposal at the bottom of this email.
  Resolved: Add "The content of replaced elements is not considered in the
              CSS rendering model." to the definition of "replaced element".
  Filed CSS2.1 Issue 142.
  Resolved: Run-ins inherit from their document parent,
    not their sibling. It is explicitly undefined in 2.1 what happens with
    parent/sibling ::first-lines and run-ins.


Full minutes

Size to Fit for text

Reviewed examples of copyfitting by changing the font size and various past
proposals for addressing some of the use cases. Intentions can be split into:

  Size each line of text individually until it fills the line box.
  Size up the entire paragraph as one unit until the longest line fills its
       line box.

dbaron proposes a copyfit property to trigger these behaviors. An alternate
proposal is to incorporate this into text-justify.

Related behaviors were mentioned: specifically, triggering justification on
   the last line only if it's longer than a certain threshold; and specifying
   a minimum length for the last line, which would trigger whole-paragraph
   justification if the last line were not long enough.

Conclusion is to add some notes to css3-text and leave it for the next active
   editor to deal with.

Full minutes

CSS3 Multicol


  Resolved: Advance css3-multicol to CR.
    [Disposition of Comments]


Full minutes

Grid, Flexbox, and Template Layout Interactions


  Discussed interaction of layout models.
  Discussed triggering fallback based on UA support.
  Resolved: Remove note about interaction between grid and tables.
  It's not clear how to make progress on these drafts.


Full minutes

font-variant and font feature support in CSS


  original proposal
  demo page
  experimental build


John Daggett proposes adding subproperties to font-variant
for allowing access to the more common OpenType features. font-variant
would become a shorthand for font-variant-ligatures,
font-variant-alternates, font-variant-caps,
font-variant-numeric, font-variant-position.

 There some concern about fallback behavior for subscript and superscript
features, and winding up with either a complete loss of semantics or a
double-sub/superscript rendering.

John notes that OpenType has language-sensitive rendering, and proposes
allowing an explicit choice of typographic language different from the content
language.

There's concern about exposing alternate glyphs from a generic mechanism
such as font-variant, because the choices are very font-specific. Proposals
include dealing with it in @font-face; and pairing the glyph set number with
the font name so that it only triggers on that font name.

Otherwise the WG is mostly in agreement and pressures jdaggett into putting
his proposal in the editor's draft. :)

Full minutes

text-overflow: ellipsis

Resolved: Only horizontal overflow triggers for
text-overflow: ellipsis. Add a new keyword for handling ellipsis due to
vertical overflow (where the ellipsis appears on the last line only).

Discussed other issues with text-overflow, including:


  Interaction with overflow, whether it prevents overflow, whether
     it requires overflow: hidden, what happens with overflow: scroll,
     how that makes sense with floats, etc.
  Where and how the ellipsis is drawn, how it interacts with
     surrounding text
  What happens with overflowing blocks in the vertical ellipsis case
  Whether the ellipsis is an indication of content you can't see or
     content you can't reach
  What happens when you scroll, does the ellipsis get drawn on the
     other side, too? both sides?
  Interaction with bidi, whether the ellipsis causes logical clipping
     in place of visual clipping
  Whether the behavior you want for ellipsizing text you can scroll to
     is different from the behavior for ellipsizing text you can't get to,
     and other potential reasons for different behaviors


Apparently some of these questions were
resolved over lunch.Full minutes


Transitions, Transforms, and Animations


  Apple would like a few sample tests in an appropriate format
     to begin writing test suites. dbaron offered to help with that.

  Reviewed behavior of inherited properties and how inherited
     transitions don't trigger new transitions.

  Discussed effects of batched layout updates and flushing on
     transitions, and the resulting unpredictability in behavior.

  Expecting another WD soon, then LC afterward for Transitions
     and possibly for 2D Transformations; 3D Transforms and
     Animations both need more work.


Full minutes

Administrative


  Reviewed our Last Call comments for
    MathML for CSS.
    Bert didn't find much to comment on. Stretchable characters is something
    we might need to look at in the future. John Daggett has some comments on
    font variations vs. Unicode codepoints.
  Discussed modularization and profiles; the questions raised are all
    answered by the Snapshot.
    The only complaint was that it's not visible enough, which will be solved
    when the Snapshot enters CR.
  Next F2F scheduled for March 29-31 hosted by Apple in Cupertino.


Full minutes
Addendum
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>Drop Shadows and Filter Effects</h3>

<ul>
  <li>Discussed drop shadows and what inner shadow is.
    (Tab: <q>the shadow is cast by a negative of the alpha channel, then clipped
            to the actual alpha channel</q>)</li>
  <li>Discussed applying effects like drop shadows and opacity to different
    parts of the box. (fantasai: <q>The pieces we'd need to address, in various
    combinations: background layers, border (one piece), content (one piece)</q>)
    Only adjacent layers would need to be composited together. Drop shadows
    would then paint immediately below the composited layer.
    See also <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0252.html">fantasai's message</a> on this topic.</li>
  <li>It seems likely the <a href="http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/filters/publish/SVGFilter.html">SVG
    filters spec</a> and the <code>filter</code> property would be able to
    address these use cases, particularly if parametrized canned filters were
    added for commonly desired effects and CSS targets were added e.g. as
    <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0072.html">described by roc</a>.</li>
  <li>This topic will be further discussed with the SVGWG possibly on the
    <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/">public-fx@w3.org
    mailing list</a>.</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0252.html">Full minutes</a></p>

<h3>Media Queries for HTML5 Video</h3>

<p>It is proposed to add media queries to <code> &lt;video&gt;</code> and then
to also define queries for the user's special needs. These new media queries
will go into a new media queries module.</p>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0251.html">Full minutes</a></p>

<h3>CSS2.1 Test Suite Status</h3>

<p>Reviewed status of CSS2.1 test suite. Still on track wrt
<a href="http://www.w3.org/blog/CSS/2009/09/23/css21_test_roadmap">roadmap</a>.
fantasai has a rough coverage report, but is missing many of Microsoft's tests
because they don't have the right metadata. (Microsoft's management is preventing
Arron from correcting the tests.)</p>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0251.html">Full minutes</a></p>

<h3>Selectors</h3>

<ul>
  <li>Reviewed intention of default attribute wording so that it can be clarified.</li>
  <li>Reviewed implementation reports and checked a few more implementations</li>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> Advance to Proposed Recommendation for
    <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/">Selectors Level 3</a>.
    [<a href="http://dev.w3.org/csswg/selectors3/issues-lc-2009">Disposition of Comments</a>]
    [<a href="http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/CSS3/Selectors/20091025/reports/">Implementation Reports</a>]</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0250.html">Full minutes</a></p>

<h3>CSS3 Color</h3>

<ul>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> Drop section 3.1.1 from <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-css3-color-20080721/">CSS3 Color</a>.</li>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> Add <code>color-correction</code> property with
    values <code>default</code> and <code>srgb</code> where <code>default</code>
    is UA-defined and <code>srgb</code> corrects untagged images to sRGB.</li>
  <li>See also <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0226.html">David
    Baron's follow-up message</a> proposing something different.</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0250.html">Full minutes</a></p>

<h3><code>display: run-in</code></h3>

<p>Worked through issues summarized in <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Sep/0126.html">Bert's email</a></p>

<ul>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> Accepted proposal at the bottom of <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Aug/0607.html">this email</a>.</li>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> Add "The content of replaced elements is not considered in the
              CSS rendering model." to the definition of "replaced element".</li>
  <li>Filed <a href="http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-142">CSS2.1 Issue 142</a>.</li>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> Run-ins inherit from their document parent,
    not their sibling. It is explicitly undefined in 2.1 what happens with
    parent/sibling <code>::first-lines</code> and run-ins.</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0249.html">Full minutes</a></p>

<h3>Size to Fit for text</h3>

<p>Reviewed examples of copyfitting by changing the font size and various past
proposals for addressing some of the use cases. Intentions can be split into:</p>
<ul>
  <li>Size each line of text individually until it fills the line box.</li>
  <li>Size up the entire paragraph as one unit until the longest line fills its
       line box.</li>
</ul>
<p>dbaron proposes a copyfit property to trigger these behaviors. An alternate
proposal is to incorporate this into <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-text/#text-justify"><code>text-justify</code></a>.</p>

<p>Related behaviors were mentioned: specifically, triggering justification on
   the last line only if it's longer than a certain threshold; and specifying
   a minimum length for the last line, which would trigger whole-paragraph
   justification if the last line were not long enough.</p>

<p>Conclusion is to add some notes to css3-text and leave it for the next active
   editor to deal with.</p>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0224.html">Full minutes</a></p>

<h3>CSS3 Multicol</h3>

<ul>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> Advance css3-multicol to CR.
    [<a href="http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-multicol/last-call.html">Disposition of Comments</a>]</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0221.html">Full minutes</a></p>

<h3>Grid, Flexbox, and Template Layout Interactions</h3>

<ul>
  <li>Discussed interaction of layout models.</li>
  <li>Discussed triggering fallback based on UA support.</li>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> Remove note about interaction between grid and tables.</li>
  <li>It's not clear how to make progress on these drafts.</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0221.html">Full minutes</a></p>

<h3><code>font-variant</code> and font feature support in CSS</h3>

<ul>
  <li><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0506.html">original proposal</a></li>
  <li><a href="http://people.mozilla.org/~jdaggett/webfonts/features.html">demo page</a></li>
  <li><a href="http://people.mozilla.org/~jkew/ot-feature-build">experimental build</a></li>
</ul>

<p>John Daggett proposes adding subproperties to <code>font-variant</code>
for allowing access to the more common OpenType features. <code>font-variant</code>
would become a shorthand for <code>font-variant-ligatures</code>,
<code>font-variant-alternates</code>, <code>font-variant-caps</code>,
<code>font-variant-numeric</code>, <code>font-variant-position</code>.</p>

<p> There some concern about fallback behavior for subscript and superscript
features, and winding up with either a complete loss of semantics or a
double-sub/superscript rendering.</p>

<p>John notes that OpenType has language-sensitive rendering, and proposes
allowing an explicit choice of typographic language different from the content
language.</p>

<p>There's concern about exposing alternate glyphs from a generic mechanism
such as font-variant, because the choices are very font-specific. Proposals
include dealing with it in @font-face; and pairing the glyph set number with
the font name so that it only triggers on that font name.</p>

<p>Otherwise the WG is mostly in agreement and pressures jdaggett into putting
his proposal in the editor's draft. :)</p>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0220.html">Full minutes</a></p>

<h3><code>text-overflow: ellipsis</code></h3>

<p><strong>Resolved:</strong> Only horizontal overflow triggers for
text-overflow: ellipsis. Add a new keyword for handling ellipsis due to
vertical overflow (where the ellipsis appears on the last line only).</p>

<p>Discussed other issues with <code>text-overflow</code>, including:</p>

<ul>
  <li>Interaction with <code>overflow</code>, whether it prevents overflow, whether
     it requires <code>overflow: hidden</code>, what happens with <code>overflow: scroll</code>,
     how that makes sense with floats, etc.</li>
  <li>Where and how the ellipsis is drawn, how it interacts with
     surrounding text</li>
  <li>What happens with overflowing blocks in the vertical ellipsis case</li>
  <li>Whether the ellipsis is an indication of content you can't see or
     content you can't reach</li>
  <li>What happens when you scroll, does the ellipsis get drawn on the
     other side, too? both sides?</li>
  <li>Interaction with bidi, whether the ellipsis causes logical clipping
     in place of visual clipping</li>
  <li>Whether the behavior you want for ellipsizing text you can scroll to
     is different from the behavior for ellipsizing text you can't get to,
     and other potential reasons for different behaviors</li>
</ul>

<p>Apparently some of these questions were
<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0222.html">resolved over lunch</a>.</p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0219.html">Full minutes</a>


<h3>Transitions, Transforms, and Animations</h3>

<ul>
  <li>Apple would like a few sample tests in an appropriate format
     to begin writing test suites. dbaron offered to help with that.</li>

  <li>Reviewed behavior of inherited properties and how inherited
     transitions don't trigger new transitions.</li>

  <li>Discussed effects of batched layout updates and flushing on
     transitions, and the resulting unpredictability in behavior.</li>

  <li>Expecting another WD soon, then LC afterward for Transitions
     and possibly for 2D Transformations; 3D Transforms and
     Animations both need more work.</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0218.html">Full minutes</a></p>

<h3>Administrative</h3>

<ul>
  <li>Reviewed our Last Call comments for
    <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-mathml-for-css-20091006/">MathML for CSS</a>.
    Bert didn't find much to comment on. Stretchable characters is something
    we might need to look at in the future. John Daggett has some comments on
    font variations vs. Unicode codepoints.</li>
  <li>Discussed modularization and profiles; the questions raised are all
    answered by the <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/css-beijing/">Snapshot</a>.
    The only complaint was that it's not visible enough, which will be solved
    when the Snapshot enters CR.</li>
  <li>Next F2F scheduled for March 29-31 hosted by Apple in Cupertino.</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0218.html">Full minutes</a>
<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Nov/0251.html">Addendum</a></p>
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			<title>MInutes and Resolutions 2009-10-28</title>
			<link>http://www.w3.org/blog/CSS/2009/10/30/resolutions_83</link>
			<dc:date>2009-10-30T19:44:28Z</dc:date>
			<dc:creator>fantasai</dc:creator>
			<dc:subject>resolutions</dc:subject>
			<description>
  Resolved: ex definition to be changed to use the parent's element font size if set on font-size (just like em) Rationale: Avoid infinite loops in the spec. :)
  Resolved: Preserve CSS2.1's 0.5em fallback in CSS3 Values for when ex height cannot be found.
  The CSSWG has no objections in principle to Selectors API 2 introducing a new pseudo-class for its scoping element.
  display: run-in clarifications and drop-shadow proposal (see also targetting filter effects) added to TPAC agenda.
  As of 2003 the CSSValue interface is deprecated+obsolete and other specs should not rely on it. In response to Sylvain's message the CSSWG will update the DOM-L2-Style spec to include this note inline.
  Discussed TPAC agenda, schedules, and presenting at Thursday's Developer Gathering.


Full minutes
</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<ul>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> <code>ex</code> definition to be changed to use the parent's element font size if set on <code>font-size</code> (just like <code>em</code>) <strong>Rationale:</strong> Avoid infinite loops in the spec. :)</li>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> Preserve CSS2.1's <code>0.5em</code> fallback in CSS3 Values for when ex height cannot be found.</li>
  <li>The CSSWG has no objections in principle to Selectors API 2 introducing a new pseudo-class for its scoping element.</li>
  <li><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Sep/0126.html">display: run-in clarifications</a> and <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Sep/0131.html">drop-shadow proposal</a> (see also <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0071.html">targetting filter effects</a>) added to TPAC agenda.</li>
  <li>As of 2003 the <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Oct/0347.html">CSSValue interface is deprecated+obsolete</a> and other specs should not rely on it. In response to <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0011.html">Sylvain's message</a> the CSSWG will update the <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Style/">DOM-L2-Style</a> spec to include this note inline.</li>
  <li>Discussed TPAC <a href="http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/tpac-2009">agenda</a>, schedules, and presenting at Thursday's <a href="http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/DevMeeting">Developer Gathering</a>.
</li></ul>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0337.html">Full minutes</a>
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		<item rdf:about="http://www.w3.org/blog/CSS/2009/10/24/resolutions_82">
			<title>Minutes and Resolutions 2009-10-21</title>
			<link>http://www.w3.org/blog/CSS/2009/10/24/resolutions_82</link>
			<dc:date>2009-10-24T03:15:53Z</dc:date>
			<dc:creator>fantasai</dc:creator>
			<dc:subject>resolutions</dc:subject>
			<description>
  Reviewed last call comments on Selectors Level 3 from the Protocols and Formats Working Group. Resolved: that their first request is out-of-scope for Selectors. fantasai to respond and answer their other questions.
  Resolved: Remove "Namespaces and down-level clients" (Chapter 11) from Selectors.
  The CSSWG plans to review the state of Selectors implementation reports at TPAC: if we have enough implementation reports, we can move to PR directly.
  Resolved: Yves' comments on the Media Queries and CSS2.1 grammars result in no change.
  Briefly discussed problem with targetting filter effects. As this is a large problem, further discussion is deferred to TPAC and beyond.


Full minutes</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<ul>
  <li>Reviewed last call <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0065.html">comments</a> on <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/">Selectors Level 3</a> from the Protocols and Formats Working Group. <strong>Resolved:</strong> that their first request is out-of-scope for Selectors. fantasai to respond and answer their other questions.</li>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> Remove "Namespaces and down-level clients" (Chapter 11) from Selectors.</li>
  <li>The CSSWG plans to review the state of Selectors implementation reports at TPAC: if we have enough implementation reports, we can move to PR directly.</li>
  <li><strong>Resolved:</strong> <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0095.html">Yves' comments</a> on the Media Queries and CSS2.1 grammars result in no change.</li>
  <li>Briefly discussed problem with <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0071.html">targetting filter effects</a>. As this is a large problem, further discussion is deferred to TPAC and beyond.</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0279.html">Full minutes</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title>CSS3 Backgrounds and Borders Last Call for Comments</title>
			<link>http://www.w3.org/blog/CSS/2009/10/16/css3_background_lc</link>
			<dc:date>2009-10-16T21:07:29Z</dc:date>
			<dc:creator>fantasai</dc:creator>
			<dc:subject>publications</dc:subject>
			<description>The CSS Working Group just published a Last Call for Comments
Working Draft of CSS
Backgrounds and Borders Level 3. Please review the draft and send
your feedback. We'll be accepting comments through 17 November
2009. (Note that feature requests are likely to be deferred
to CSS4.) The best place for feedback is the CSSWG's official mailing
list www-style@w3.org, but we'll also look at any comments posted (or
linked to) from the cross-post on CSS3.info. 

There are a couple issues we're specifically looking for feedback on:

Rounding vs. Scaling Down

The round option for background-repeat
and border-image-repeat resizes images to fit the nearest
whole number of tiles, rather than always scaling up or always scaling
down. Rounding keeps closer to the intended size and, in the case
where one dimension is fixed (e.g. in ‘border-image’), keeps the image
closer to the intended aspect ratio. This is almost certainly the best
solution for vector images and high-resolution raster images. However,
if the given image is a low-resolution raster image, it will require
interpolating pixels, which can look bad. See "Rounding Extremes" for
illustrations.

The workaround is to specify a higher-resolution image (e.g. by shrinking from the original with background-size or border-image-width). Possible spec solutions include introducing a separate keyword that always scales down, and changing the algorithm so that we force scaling down whenever interpolation would be required for scaling up. So the options here are


  Leave the spec as-is (always round to nearest): the workaround is good enough for me.
  Trigger forced downscaling when interpolation is needed: avoiding interpolation is important to me and I don't mind that the exact number of tiles is unpredictable and the resulting aspect ratio might skewed a little extra.
  Default to rounding for round, but I want an extra keyword to force downscaling in all cases (including vector images) because [...].
  Something else?


Please comment on what you prefer and why. (The more specific you can be "for example, this image that I would want to use [...]", the easier it will be for us to understand your point.)

box-break naming

The previous
draft included two properties for controlling behavior at box
breaks (line breaks / column breaks / page breaks):
border-break for controlling whether the border is drawn
at the break, and background-break for controlling
whether the background is drawn for each box individually or for the
whole element as if it were broken after painting.

Hyatt suggested merging the two, so the current draft has a single
box-break property instead. The two values mean,
basically, "render backgrounds and borders for this box, and then
slice it up" and "break the box and then render backgrounds and
borders for each box individually". The value names aren't
particularly clear, however, so we were wondering if anyone has better
ideas.

Conclusion

So take a look at the new draft and send us your comments! This is your last chance to give feedback on this module: if all goes well, we'll be publishing the Candidate Recommendation in time for Christmas, and given the state of experimental implementations right now, I expect things to move rapidly from there.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CSS Working Group just published a Last Call for Comments
Working Draft of <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/">CSS
Backgrounds and Borders Level 3</a>. Please review the draft and send
your feedback. We'll be accepting comments through <strong>17 November
2009</strong>. (Note that feature requests are likely to be deferred
to CSS4.) The best place for feedback is the CSSWG's official mailing
list <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/"
>www-style@w3.org</a>, but we'll also look at any comments posted (or
linked to) from the cross-post on <a href="http://www.css3.info/css3-backgrounds-last-call/"
>CSS3.info.</a> </p>

<p>There are a couple issues we're specifically looking for feedback on:</p>

<h4>Rounding vs. Scaling Down</h4>

<p>The <code>round</code> option for <code>background-repeat</code>
and <code>border-image-repeat</code> resizes images to fit the nearest
whole number of tiles, rather than always scaling up or always scaling
down. Rounding keeps closer to the intended size and, in the case
where one dimension is fixed (e.g. in ‘border-image’), keeps the image
closer to the intended aspect ratio. This is almost certainly the best
solution for vector images and high-resolution raster images. However,
if the given image is a low-resolution raster image, it will require
interpolating pixels, which can look bad. See <a href="http://w3.org/brief/MTQ5" >"Rounding Extremes"</a> for
illustrations.</p>

<p>The workaround is to specify a higher-resolution image (e.g. by shrinking from the original with <code>background-size</code> or <code>border-image-width</code>). Possible spec solutions include introducing a separate keyword that always scales down, and changing the algorithm so that we force scaling down whenever interpolation would be required for scaling up. So the options here are</p>

<ol>
  <li>Leave the spec as-is (always round to nearest): the workaround is good enough for me.</li>
  <li>Trigger forced downscaling when interpolation is needed: avoiding interpolation is important to me and I don't mind that the exact number of tiles is unpredictable and the resulting aspect ratio might skewed a little extra.</li>
  <li>Default to rounding for <code>round</code>, but I want an extra keyword to force downscaling in all cases (including vector images) because [...].</li>
  <li>Something else?
</li></ol>

<p>Please comment on what you prefer <strong>and why</strong>. (The more specific you can be "for example, this image that I would want to use [...]", the easier it will be for us to understand your point.)</p>

<h4>box-break naming</h4>

<p>The <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-css3-background-20080910/">previous
draft</a> included two properties for controlling behavior at box
breaks (line breaks / column breaks / page breaks):
<code>border-break</code> for controlling whether the border is drawn
at the break, and <code>background-break</code> for controlling
whether the background is drawn for each box individually or for the
whole element as if it were broken <em>after</em> painting.</p>

<p>Hyatt suggested merging the two, so the current draft has a single
<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/#misc"
><code>box-break</code></a> property instead. The two values mean,
basically, "render backgrounds and borders for this box, and then
slice it up" and "break the box and then render backgrounds and
borders for each box individually". The value names aren't
particularly clear, however, so we were wondering if anyone has better
ideas.</p>

<h4>Conclusion</h4>

<p>So take a look at the <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/">new draft</a> and send us your comments! This is your last chance to give feedback on this module: if all goes well, we'll be publishing the Candidate Recommendation in time for Christmas, and given the state of experimental implementations right now, I expect things to move rapidly from there.</p>
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			<title>MInutes and Resolutions 2009-10-14</title>
			<link>http://www.w3.org/blog/CSS/2009/10/14/resolutions_81</link>
			<dc:date>2009-10-14T19:14:25Z</dc:date>
			<dc:creator>fantasai</dc:creator>
			<dc:subject>resolutions</dc:subject>
			<description>
  Call for agenda items for TPAC F2F meeting
  Reviewed status of CSS Multi-column Layout Last Call comments, specifically:
     
       Name needs to be changed to match convention.
       Discussed relation of this module's column-rule-color to CSS3 Color vs CSS2.1.
       Discussed where column rules are drawn: whether they are drawn for empty columns, or empty parts of columns, or always for the entire column box.
      
  
  Discussed text-overflow: shrink proposal. A note will be added to the CSS3 Text Editor's Draft about adding a new keyword value to the text-justify property; the issue is deferred to the next active editor.



Full minutes</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<ul>
  <li>Call for <a href="http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/tpac-2009">agenda items for TPAC F2F meeting</a></li>
  <li>Reviewed status of <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-multicol/">CSS Multi-column Layout</a> Last Call comments, specifically:
     <ul>
       <li>Name needs to be changed to match convention.</li>
       <li>Discussed relation of this module's <code>column-rule-color</code> to <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color">CSS3 Color</a> vs <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/">CSS2.1</a>.</li>
       <li>Discussed where column rules are drawn: whether they are drawn for empty columns, or empty parts of columns, or always for the entire column box.</li>
      </ul>
  </li>
  <li>Discussed <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0031.html">text-overflow: shrink</a> proposal. A note will be added to the <a href="http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-text/">CSS3 Text Editor's Draft</a> about adding a new keyword value to the <code>text-justify</code> property; the issue is deferred to the next active editor.</li>
</ul>


<p><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Oct/0088.html">Full minutes</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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