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Bug 11183 - "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation
Summary: "sidebar" might not be a proper use of a link relation
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: HTML WG
Classification: Unclassified
Component: LC1 HTML5 spec (show other bugs)
Version: unspecified
Hardware: PC Windows NT
: P2 normal
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Ian 'Hixie' Hickson
QA Contact: HTML WG Bugzilla archive list
URL: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview...
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Keywords: WGDecision
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Reported: 2010-10-31 13:34 UTC by Julian Reschke
Modified: 2011-08-17 04:46 UTC (History)
7 users (show)

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Description Julian Reschke 2010-10-31 13:34:19 UTC
From the spec:

"The sidebar keyword indicates that the referenced document, if retrieved, is intended to be shown in a secondary browsing context (if possible), instead of in the current browsing context."

This seems to duplicate the functionality of @target="_blank". Who is using this? Who has implemented this?
Comment 1 Boris Zbarsky 2010-10-31 13:50:10 UTC
target="_blank" creates a new primary browsing context.  target="sidebar" means a secondary browsing context (e.g. a sidebar).

Some Gecko-based browsers have supported this sort of thing, iirc.  And maybe Opera?  Worth checking.
Comment 2 Julian Reschke 2010-10-31 13:56:14 UTC
(In reply to comment #1)
> target="_blank" creates a new primary browsing context.  target="sidebar" means
> a secondary browsing context (e.g. a sidebar).
> 
> Some Gecko-based browsers have supported this sort of thing, iirc.  And maybe
> Opera?  Worth checking.

@target=sidebar or @rel=sidebar???
Comment 3 Boris Zbarsky 2010-10-31 17:04:56 UTC
Er, the latter.
Comment 4 Kornel Lesinski 2010-10-31 18:53:16 UTC
Opera implements this. Clicking such link prompts user to add a bookmark which will be displayed in a sidebar (called panel in Opera).
Comment 5 Julian Reschke 2010-10-31 19:23:50 UTC
(In reply to comment #4)
> Opera implements this. Clicking such link prompts user to add a bookmark which
> will be displayed in a sidebar (called panel in Opera).

Indeed. In particular, the link is *not* being followed, it's *only* bookmarked.

In FF 3.6, a similar dialog for bookmarking appears, but I'm not sure how I would actually get to see the sidebar.

In Safari/Chrome/IE, this doesn't seem to have an effect.

Is anybody using it?

FF and Opera developers: could you try to come up with a more accurate description of what it does?

I personally believe that this isn't a good use of a link relation; if it gets registered than optimally as deprecated.
Comment 6 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson 2010-12-27 23:50:25 UTC
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Status: Rejected
Change Description: no spec change
Rationale: rel=sidebar is intended to document reality, not be a good design. If UAs are moving away from it we should drop the feature entirely, not recast it in some other design.
Comment 7 Sam Ruby 2011-01-17 21:31:18 UTC
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/154
Comment 8 Michael[tm] Smith 2011-08-04 05:04:45 UTC
mass-moved component to LC1
Comment 9 Sam Ruby 2011-08-15 15:22:12 UTC
WG Decision: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Aug/0309.html

Change Proposal adopted by Amicable Consensus: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Aug/0131.html
Comment 10 Ian 'Hixie' Hickson 2011-08-17 04:45:40 UTC
Done.
Comment 11 contributor 2011-08-17 04:46:25 UTC
Checked in as WHATWG revision r6483.
Check-in comment: Move rel=sidebar to the wiki.
http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6482&to=6483