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  1. Re: [ttml2] Action-369 Action-382 - draft dispositions flattened thread incorporating changes (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-03-19) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-03-19)
  2. Re: [ttml2] Action-369 - collate smpte issues and draft dispositions (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-03-18) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-03-18)
  3. Re: [ttml2] Action-369 - collate smpte issues and draft dispositions (from glenn@skynav.com on 2015-03-05) (from glenn@skynav.com on 2015-03-05)
  4. Re: [ttml2] Action-369 - collate smpte issues and draft dispositions (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-03-05) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-03-05)
  5. Re: [ttml2] Action-369 - collate smpte issues and draft dispositions (from glenn@skynav.com on 2015-03-04) (from glenn@skynav.com on 2015-03-04)
  6. Re: [ttml2] Action-369 - collate smpte issues and draft dispositions (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-03-04) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-03-04)
  7. Re: [ttml2] Action-369 - collate smpte issues and draft dispositions (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-02-25) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-02-25)
  8. [ttml2] Action-369 - collate smpte issues and draft dispositions (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-02-06) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-02-06)
  9. {minutes} TTWG Meeting 2015-01-22 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-01-22) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2015-01-22)
  10. Re: {minutes} TTWG Meeting 9/10/2014 (from silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com on 2014-10-10) (from silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com on 2014-10-10)
  11. {minutes} TTWG Meeting 9/10/2014 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-10-09) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-10-09)
  12. {agenda} TTWG Meeting 9/10/2014 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-10-08) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-10-08)
  13. Re: {minutes} TTWG Meeting 2/10/2014 (from glenn@skynav.com on 2014-10-02) (from glenn@skynav.com on 2014-10-02)
  14. [css-ruby] how to specify offset of ruby annotation box from ruby base box? (from glenn@skynav.com on 2014-10-02) (from glenn@skynav.com on 2014-10-02)
  15. {minutes} TTWG Meeting 2/10/2014 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-10-02) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-10-02)
  16. {agenda} TTWG Meeting 2/10/2014 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-10-01) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-10-01)
  17. Re: [TTML2] Issue-228: Ruby text support (from glenn@skynav.com on 2014-09-25) (from glenn@skynav.com on 2014-09-25)
  18. Re: [TTML2] Issue-228: Ruby text support (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-09-25) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-09-25)
  19. Re: [TTML2] Issue-228: Ruby text support (from glenn@skynav.com on 2014-09-25) (from glenn@skynav.com on 2014-09-25)
  20. [TTML2] Issue-228: Ruby text support (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-09-25) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-09-25)
  21. {agenda} TTWG Meeting 25/9/2014 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-09-24) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-09-24)
  22. {minutes} TTML Meeting of 24/10/13 (from glenn@skynav.com on 2013-10-24) (from glenn@skynav.com on 2013-10-24)
  23. RE: TTML Agenda for 24/10/13 (from mdolan@newtbt.com on 2013-10-23) (from mdolan@newtbt.com on 2013-10-23)
  24. TTML Agenda for 24/10/13 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2013-10-23) (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2013-10-23)
  25. ISSUE-228 (Ruby text): Ruby text support [TTML.next] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2013-05-30) (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2013-05-30)

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This needs to be aligned with the current proposed approach for Ruby in HTML5, which differs from the referenced Ruby Annotation spec.

Glenn Adams, 30 May 2013, 19:49:27

http://www.w3.org/TR/html-ruby-extensions/

PAL: P2

Philippe Le Hégaret, 24 Oct 2013, 15:41:18

See also https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2007Apr/0010.html for a workaround in TTML1.

Glenn Adams, 19 Feb 2014, 21:31:44

Addressed in https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/6dcc85afb4f8 except for requested mechanism to specify offset between ruby base and text boxes. It may be possible that specifying after padding on the ruby text annotation span can satisfy this requirement, but it needs some investigation to determine what is done with CSS Ruby.

Glenn Adams, 21 Sep 2014, 02:02:32

Remove interCharacter value due to (1) lack of requirements, and (2) relative complexity.

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/3879885151e0

Glenn Adams, 24 Sep 2014, 19:20:37

Alignment with the proposed approach for Rubys in HTML5 has been achieved semantically but not syntactically with the current draft proposal. One of the impacts of this is that, in order to support Rubys, processors must also support #nested-span. Another is that an extra level of translation is needed to create an HTML5 equivalent ISD including Rubys.

Nigel Megitt, 25 Sep 2014, 09:47:02

Add definition of tts:rubyOffset https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/c62837d89619 . In addition, add constraints that translate to content model employed by Ruby Annotations [1].

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-ruby-20010531/#abstract-def

Glenn Adams, 2 Oct 2014, 21:43:59


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