<AxelPollleres> attendees: simon, martin k., fajar, ramisa, mark

<AxelPollleres> scribenick: Fajar

<AxelPollleres> scribe: Fajar

<AxelPollleres> PROPOSED: approve last call's minutes https://www.w3.org/2019/02/12-dpvcg-minutes

<simonstey> +1

+1

RESOLUTION: approve last call's minutes https://www.w3.org/2019/02/12-dpvcg-minutes

<Ramisa> +1

Action review

<AxelPollleres> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/open

AxelPollleres: Action-6 discussion (no email address of Michael)

<AxelPollleres> suggestion: disregard actions until ACTION-27, in future calls, unless something new.

<simonstey> +q

<AxelPollleres> ISSUE: Shall we get back to ACTION-6, ACTION-11, ACTION-19, ACTION-27 (closed without news)

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-12 - Shall we get back to action-6, action-11, action-19, action-27 (closed without news). Please complete additional details at <https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/12/edit>.

simonstey: did IDS responded?

AxelPollleres: no

<AxelPollleres> close ACTION-6

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-6.

<AxelPollleres> close ACTION-19

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-19.

<AxelPollleres> close ACTION-27

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-27.

AxelPollleres: we leave out Action-11 and reassigned to simonstey
... we leave Action-11 open and reassigned to simonstey

+q

<AxelPollleres> ACTION-33: mark reported in an email, draft expected by end of March.

<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-33 Summarize elements of consent from the mails and align with mark lizar on "concent receipt" definition (e.g. on delegation).

<AxelPollleres> scribe: javier

ACTION-34

<trackbot> ACTION-34 -- Niklas Kirchner to Start structuring categories of personal data and involved dimensions together with elmar and harsh, mark -- due 2018-11-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/34

<Fajar> +q

Axel: not sure if we need to keep

<simonstey> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2019Feb/0028.html link to mark's email

Axel: I'm afraid we didn't have an action for the personal data categories

Mark: We said to contact the person behind the initial data categories

<AxelPollleres> ACTION-34: seems no longer owned by Niklas.

<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-34 Start structuring categories of personal data and involved dimensions together with elmar and harsh, mark.

Mark: he joined the group, Harsh replied and I followed up suggesting to model the data categories

<AxelPollleres> Mark reporting that Jason from enterprivacy has joined the group.

Axel: Thus, who is taking care of ACTION-34?

Mark: Harsh is definitively focused on this task

Fajar is also interested

<AxelPollleres> Mark, please also involve Fajar in ACTION-34

<Ramisa> I could help as well

Axel: Just please keep us updated and involved the interested people in the loop

ACTION-36

<trackbot> ACTION-36 -- Rudy Jacob to Add points 1.-6. from https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-dpvcg/2018nov/0000.html to https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/special/proximus_use_case -- due 2019-02-14 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/36

Axel: We leave it open and I will send a reminder

<bud> I had connection problems, can hear you now, but not sure whether my mike works (Eva is on sickleave..)

ACTION-53

<trackbot> ACTION-53 -- Axel Polleres to Together with harsh, fajar, javier start on a base ontology, suggest a namespace, etc. and start populate the sub-taxonomies, agree on language to model it. -- due 2018-12-11 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/53

Axel: We started the discussion on the namespace but I wanted to stabilise more important things first, let's leave it open

ACTION-60

<trackbot> ACTION-60 -- Eva Schlehahn to Look at use cases in the wiki to see if one matches the deletion rules ideas eva posted (especially deletion depending on an event or purpose rather than a fixed period) -- due 2019-01-29 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/60

<bud> \My mike doesn't wor.k...

Axel: we leave it open I guess

ACTION-63

<trackbot> ACTION-63 -- Bert Bos to Set up doodle preferred dates for f2f in second half of march or first half of april -- due 2019-02-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/63

ACTION-62

<trackbot> ACTION-62 -- Axel Polleres to Write an email to michael markevich on action-6 and whether he still plans to join -- due 2019-02-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/62

we leave it open but I think we lost the use case

ACTION-64

<trackbot> ACTION-64 -- Mark Lizar to Reach out to enterprivacy.com on whether we can use their categories as a starting point, check license, and invite them to our working group. -- due 2019-02-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/64

Axel: We can close it.

<AxelPollleres> close ACTION-64

<trackbot> Closed ACTION-64.

ACTION-65

<trackbot> ACTION-65 -- Eva Schlehahn to And bud to further elaborate on legal grounds taxonomy -- due 2019-02-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/65

<bud> We haven't made progress

ACTION-66

<trackbot> ACTION-66 -- Harshvardhan Pandit to Look into structuring processing categories, ramisa, bud, eva to help/review. -- due 2019-02-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/66

<AxelPollleres> any progress?

<bud> We started to discuss today via mail

<Ramisa> can you hear me?

Ramisa: Harsh sent an email to the group on this action

<bud> I and Jason replied to that mail...

Ramisa: It's a basic structure for processing that he proposed

<bud> Yes, he got feedback this afternoon from me on the list

Ramisa: Harsh will be in the office in 2 days and I will follow up on this

<simonstey> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2019Feb/0025.html harsh's email

<AxelPollleres> ACTION: Axel to check back with owners which ACTIONS are ready for review and discussion in the call

<trackbot> Created ACTION-70 - Check back with owners which actions are ready for review and discussion in the call [on Axel Polleres - due 2019-03-05].

ACTION-67

<trackbot> ACTION-67 -- Javier D. Fernández to Look into data controllers and recipients taxonomy with help of piero, axel -- due 2019-02-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/67

ACTION-68

<trackbot> ACTION-68 -- Harshvardhan Pandit to Looking into consent elements and types with help of mark -- due 2019-02-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/68

Same as 64

<bud> Eva and I worked on Recipients, but haven't written a vocabulary down yet

Mark: Sorry, we have worked indeed on the consent elements
... It will be nice to have some legal expert to review before providing it to the list
... please let me know or get in touch

Axel: Maybe Bud?

<bud> I am not a legal expert

<bud> I'm a techie..

Axel: would you be willing to review ACTION-68?
... Maybe with the help of Eva...

<bud> I'll look at it

<AxelPollleres> ACTION: bud to review ACTION-68 with the help of Eva

<trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Review action-68 with the help of eva [on Bud P. Bruegger - due 2019-03-05].

<bud> If it is too legal, ...

Maybe Rigo

ACTION-69

<trackbot> ACTION-69 -- Mark Lizar to Report on eic conference next time -- due 2019-02-19 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/69

Mark: I will have to pick this up this week

<Ramisa> This is the link of github for processing categories : https://github.com/dpvcg/processing

Axel: done with the actions. The most important then is to find a date for the F2F
... The goal would be to progress with these actions and review them by the F2F meeting
... I will push Bert to send the doodle and ask everyone to please fill it in
... We also have some issues
... The first is to decide when we have to stop collecting use cases
... but this is replaced with issue-12

ISSUE-12

<trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Shall we get back to action-6, action-19, action-27 (closed without news) -- raised

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/12

<AxelPollleres> close ISSUE-1 with reference to ISSUE-12

<AxelPollleres> : close ISSUE-1

(see raised issues: https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/raised)

ISSUE-2

<trackbot> ISSUE-2 -- Do we need to formulate a notion of compliance in scope of the cg? -- raised

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/2

Axel: I.e. do we want to revisit the definition of compliance? Maybe we can discuss in the F2F
... In any case we are working on it
... In the beginning of the WG we had this discussion
... the elements of consents, data, processing, etc

Mark: There are multiple levels. All of these elements are covered
... The understanding of consent overall is not very well covered

<AxelPollleres> MArk: all the elements of consent mentioned in ISSUE-4 are covered at the moment. GDPR is not defining consent as explicit consent.

Mark: all privacy law is consent based
... The definition of GDPR packs many things together and make it difficult
... We have covered all these elements, this initial conversation is covered

<Fajar> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/68

Axel: we can move on, and make a note on this action
... we can close ISSUE-4 then

ISSUE-4

<trackbot> ISSUE-4 -- What are the elements of consent? starting from "onsent = agreement through an [affirmative action] at a specific [time] with a [data controller] to specific [processing] and [storage] of specific [data categories] for specific [purpose] and [duration]" -- raised

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/4

Fajar: In the last slides, Axel had "legal ground", is this part of the consent?

Axel: Yes, ISSUE-4 is somehow old

https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/images/f/f9/2019-02-12-DPVCG-status_update.pdf

these were the slides

Axel: Any objections to close ISSUE-4?

<AxelPollleres> close ISSUE-4

<trackbot> Closed ISSUE-4.

ISSUE-5

<trackbot> ISSUE-5 -- Shall we extend the scope of the group to machinge-readable requests to execute rights accroding to eva’s classification of rights -- raised

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/5

Axel: We might revisit when Eva is around

ISSUE-6

<trackbot> ISSUE-6 -- Should our taxonomy include a distinction/modeling of data subjects to whom gdpr applies (eu citizens and/or locatedin eu) -- raised

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/6

Axel: We kind of have this issue discussed

<AxelPollleres> https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/issues/raised

Axel: Maybe we can discuss all these issues with respect to the drafts by the F2F
... Any urgent issue?

<AxelPollleres> Any immediate remarks?

Fajar: Regarding the personal data categories, I discussed with Harsh about adding provenance information
... E.g. Adding or delete concepts on the initial enterprivacy categories
... so how deep should we go in the provenance info?

Martin: I think we might need an action on that

Fajar: Yes, the issue is how deep we should go on the description of the provenance

<AxelPollleres> Mark: opt-in or opt-out makes a difference

Mark: It makes a difference if it's opt in or opt out

opt out, the data has been collected already, in opt in you have the control

Fajar: As an example of the deepness, if we change the singular or plural of an initial concept.. this is a basic change, but we can also add new concepts

Axel: Is this an aspect of the personal data category...?

Fajar: Is it enough to say some high level information?

Axel: or document the decisions...

Mark: We can have an action on where the provenance fits in the taxonomies

Axel: can I assign an action to Fajar?

<AxelPollleres> ACTION: fajar to propose a mechanism to add provenance information for elements in our taxonomy

<trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Propose a mechanism to add provenance information for elements in our taxonomy [on Fajar Ekaputra - due 2019-03-05].

Axel: any other immediate open issues?

<Mark_L> Thanks Axel - great call --

Axel: Otherwise we can talk in 2 weeks, discuss the status of actions and maybe the F2F dates

Thanks!

<Ramisa> Thanks

<Fajar> Thanks!

<AxelPollleres> Goal in two weeks, have progress on Actions and fix a realistic date for a F2F, when we expect enough progress to wrap up a first version.

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