13:25:38 RRSAgent has joined #coga 13:25:38 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-irc 13:25:55 chair: Lisa_Seeman 13:26:18 rrsagent, make logs public 13:26:29 agenda+ updates: TPAC, Personalization TF, Disseminating wcag 2.1 13:35:45 agenda+ What we need to do to gt our SC though WCAG process (see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017OctDec/0244.html for more information) 13:35:47 agenda+ Comments on the SC's (see https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/211) 13:35:48 agenda+ easy reading guidlines and our document 13:35:55 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/2017-10-12_priorities/results 13:52:02 kirkwood has joined #COGA 13:54:24 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017OctDec/0244.html 13:57:55 JohnRochford has joined #coga 13:59:04 AndyHeath has joined #coga 13:59:06 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:COGA 14:01:20 agenda+ APA items https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:COGA 14:02:08 present+ JohnRochford 14:03:18 scribe: kirkwood 14:03:47 zakim, next item 14:03:47 agendum 1. "updates: TPAC, Personalization TF, Disseminating wcag 2.1" taken up [from lisa] 14:03:58 present+ 14:04:08 present+ 14:04:14 present+ 14:05:32 Lisa: updates at conference with Inclusion in Spain, lots of stuff followingEU easy reading guidleines 14:05:36 http://easy-to-read.eu/ 14:05:51 :S: should incoroporate into what we are doing 14:06:11 S:/LS: 14:06:55 zakim, next item 14:06:56 agendum 2. "What we need to do to gt our SC though WCAG process (see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017OctDec/0244.html for more information)" taken up [from 14:06:59 ... lisa] 14:07:06 LS: John K do you want to let me know about what brought up yesterday 14:07:14 sorry don’t recall 14:07:45 LS: WCAG main governing body to get through CR, let me find timelines for WCAG 14:07:59 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1_timeline 14:08:17 LS: think it was five maybe less in our achievable ones 14:08:39 LS: they want to go to CR by September 12 14:08:50 LS: want to get out of CR by June 2018 14:09:06 LS: does everyone know what CR is? 14:09:22 Andy: don’t know 14:09:42 EA has joined #coga 14:09:44 LS: want to explain if makes sense 14:10:22 LS: the W3C process before working draft becomes a specification make final working draft which is CR candidate recommendation 14:10:29 NeilMilliken has joined #coga 14:10:55 LS: fefore becomes a recommendation like on september 12 14:11:17 LS: before can be pulished there is a whole bunch of things before September 12 14:11:23 janina has joined #coga 14:11:48 LS: if they are not confident long process maybe thereee months, only want ot put in things that have all required before support to goto redcommendation 14:12:05 LS: september 12 is very important to get full support 14:12:28 LS: wnat most of things and commitments, ideally everything inp place by september 12 14:13:15 LS: just ecplaing toeveryone what rec is don’t have to all implementation in place when go to cndidate recommendation 14:13:38 LS: good ananylisi of CR? 14:14:02 Yaninina: last stage C then P then T is the stages 14:14:18 Yaninina: TR satisfied you have done it 14:14:48 q+ 14:14:48 Yanina: as far ahow much needs to be done for WCAG specifically not in group 14:15:10 Yanina: probable correct if distandt futre not immediately at hand COGA is just one of them 14:15:38 "Yanina" = 14:15:43 Janina 14:15:44 LS: lets dsay they need five coonformance pages and have 4 think they will be happy 14:15:52 q? 14:15:58 Yaninina: i would expect to be correct 14:16:04 LS: any questions? 14:16:05 ack j 14:16:24 Yanina: Proposed recommendationd and Technoal Recommendation 14:16:43 Yanina: Proposed and Techncial 14:16:45 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017OctDec/0244.html 14:17:01 LS: who’s doing what to get it through 14:17:13 LS: need to identify techniques 14:17:32 LS: if we need two and we only got one 14:17:53 LS: with techniques it depends if we have one everyone can use we are ok 14:18:06 LS: if we have one and could use another than tow is ok 14:18:14 tow/two 14:18:36 LS: again we have until September 12 14:18:51 LS: we need to test using two technolgies or user agents 14:19:02 LS: that means it can be used 14:21:56 ;) 14:22:17 LS: we need to show that we have got it working 14:22:32 LS: in siome places that is the personlization task force 14:22:42 LS: with that we need implementation of website 14:22:50 LS: webistes 14:23:23 LS: need to find out what is necessary for documenations 14:23:43 LS: inot SC need to show technology support widely usable 14:24:03 LS: thaat means differnt implementations that show it works 14:24:15 JohnRochford has joined #coga 14:24:16 LS: firefox, chrome windoss android, apple 14:24:26 LS: if show that we’re done 14:24:46 LS: need to show implementation of webites performing 14:25:09 LS: five at A, four at AA and atleast two AAA 14:25:24 LS: and addr4ess all complaints and issues raised 14:25:40 LS: go through them to see if we’ve got all these things 14:25:48 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC 14:26:11 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC MichaelC https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1 14:26:13 LS: this page undersanding document, think michael put in IRC a while ago 14:26:41 two more here if they’re tracking we don’t need to 14:26:51 LS: understanding document if available 14:27:04 LS: checking where other is 14:27:25 LS: we need to do tracking that we’ve got all these things in place 14:27:49 LS: what can people do in terms of implenation, make conforming website, getting hold of tehcnologies 14:28:02 LS: purpose of controls 14:28:10 Timeouts 14:28:12 LS: lets start with onte thats iesier timeouts 14:28:27 http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#timeouts 14:28:28 Timeouts link coming 14:28:45 LS: we’re going to need exampoles of it working 14:28:58 exampoles/examples 14:29:06 LS: we only need one in AAA 14:29:25 LS: we need a page that has a warning 14:29:35 LS: all we need is an exmple of a warning 14:29:45 LS: just a page or two that does that 14:29:56 LS: do we have that? 14:30:04 https://docs.google.com/document/d/13hmoaVU563kTio1EZD5mbNxcc0k924qVdZZwWckcbu0/edit 14:30:20 EA has joined #coga 14:30:31 LS: give exmples of pages of data being preserved for 24 hours 14:31:02 LS: we might already have some pages that do that 14:31:10 LS: would benefit from examples 14:31:36 LS: not aware if we have it, find one or two pages that conform using technique offered 14:31:48 LS: might be in techniques document 14:32:06 LS: does anyone have the of the techniques document 14:32:21 JR: I’m focused on accessible authentication 14:32:38 LS: do you have link to techniques we’re creating 14:33:03 LS: I’m looking for techniques doeument 14:33:10 doeument/document 14:33:14 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YiknHDDDdKBdwVTEpxwUpyCaQL_tnpp9CfDlFjCq16E/edit#heading=h.803zleyfz8or 14:33:40 LS: wnat to find implementaion support for different techniques 14:34:23 LS: we don’t have exact examples, github ddoesn’t have timeouts 14:34:37 LS: we need one example 14:34:54 LS: do you htink that is enough for timeouts 14:34:55 Pietro has joined #coga 14:35:13 LS: we have one example that doesn’t timeout 14:35:21 Yanina: my guess is yes 14:35:37 LS: i think for AAA that is enough 14:35:59 Present+ 14:36:04 Yanina: i was supposed to make a comment 14:36:24 LS: interuptions is next one 14:37:06 Yanina: let me say somehting about puch api and have had a victory in APA. not good to interupt people 14:37:36 Yanina: don’t want interuption principal is going into notifications API 14:37:47 Yanina: i expect we will buidl on that 14:38:02 Yanina: looking at permissions right now and you should know that 14:38:14 Ls: will go into the idea of being widely supported 14:38:55 Yanina: research talking about focues tracing and situation divice that is context azware thatere is a lot bubbling up 14:39:12 LS: look at personlization task force dealing with those use cases 14:39:34 Yanina: coming up form differnt directions helps us succeed 14:39:58 LS: easily suppress interuptrions need technique for this and four exmaples of it working 14:40:22 LS: we need four web pages that conform 14:40:31 LS: bechause AA need a bit better 14:40:50 LS: find four websites that conform to this page? 14:40:50 iq? 14:40:53 q? 14:42:37 four conforming webistes to interruptions conform to SC link here 14:42:45 action: johnkirkwwod to find for implention websites for interuptions - IE four websites that conform to the success cryteria http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#interruptions-minimum 14:42:46 Error finding 'johnkirkwwod'. You can review and register nicknames at . 14:42:54 action: kirkwwod to find for implention websites for interuptions - IE four websites that conform to the success cryteria http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#interruptions-minimum 14:42:55 Error finding 'kirkwwod'. You can review and register nicknames at . 14:43:00 might need to write extra techniques 14:43:22 action: kirkwood to find for implention websites for interuptions - IE four websites that conform to the success cryteria http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#interruptions-minimum 14:43:24 Created ACTION-246 - Find for implention websites for interuptions - ie four websites that conform to the success cryteria http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#interruptions-minimum [on John Kirkwood - due 2017-11-02]. 14:43:50 LS: thats tow down thats fantastic 14:44:01 LS: exmple accessible authentification 14:44:11 LS: need examples of sites conforming 14:44:27 LS: i know ther are sites out there to find them 14:44:36 JF: I will find that 14:44:56 action: rochford to find for implention websites for accessible authentification success cryteria 14:44:56 Created ACTION-247 - Find for implention websites for accessible authentification success cryteria [on John Rochford - due 2017-11-02]. 14:45:06 JR/JF 14:45:40 LS: contextual information 14:46:20 LS: hopefull can get things going with this one. need an implementaion that is working 14:46:33 LS: understand thats a lot more owrk 14:46:39 owrk/work 14:47:25 LS: getting four pages working with that, aren’t any unless you include, are four working right now if you allow using web autofill specification 14:47:42 LS: do need for every site of some sites, ineed to shck with WCAG 14:47:48 shck/check 14:48:16 action: check with wcag if each item listed needs impletion in pourpose of controls, and if autocomplete is included 14:48:16 Error finding 'check'. You can review and register nicknames at . 14:48:25 action: lisa check with wcag if each item listed needs impletion in pourpose of controls, and if autocomplete is included 14:48:26 LS: giving myself an action itme to see if auto complete is included 14:48:26 Created ACTION-248 - Check with wcag if each item listed needs impletion in pourpose of controls, and if autocomplete is included [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-11-02]. 14:49:04 LS: I would supect would be defined, autocomplet pages will work for the item in list of identifying controls 14:49:20 LS: for aspect doesn’t control need to build web pages 14:49:30 q? 14:49:37 anyone interested in working on it 14:49:48 LS: anyone interested in working on it? 14:50:21 Neil: our rep have put him forward and should get confirmation to join task force 14:50:50 NM: slammed but hopefully Mark can help 14:51:26 LS: hopefully get some pages together orgfanization where symbols can be added 14:51:50 EA: don’t quite understand it could you emial it to me 14:52:16 EA: if you could email me iwht requirments and I can see ehat i can do 14:52:25 LS: great I can do it 14:53:26 EA: bad time flat out with lectures right now, we are slammed with it. but send me details i can see what i can do 14:53:47 EA: got to be done be December 12 14:54:09 EA: minutes wrong saying September 12 should be Decemeber 12 14:54:25 http://www.autismeurope.org/easy-to-read 14:54:35 Have to join the Low Vision TF conference now 14:55:13 LS: we’ve got same kind of thing with meta data but need one implementation of different aspects 14:55:26 LS: anyone interested in doing the meta data one 14:55:53 http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#contextual-information 14:55:56 LS: its more broad but need to show one implementaion, of contextual information 14:56:05 q? 14:56:16 LS: anyone interested in working on an implementation of that one? 14:56:51 zalim, next item 14:56:55 LS: I think we’re reasonably ok 14:56:59 zakim, next item 14:56:59 agendum 3. "Comments on the SC's (see https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/211)" taken up [from lisa] 14:57:37 LS: about comments that WCAG is responding to the comments 14:58:13 WCAG: writing very general comments people say interuptions should be A but AAA 14:58:24 LS: what WCAG wants is comments on an idividual level 14:58:38 LS: if each issue is a separate comment 14:59:18 LS: if we say should be AA or AAA or, each comment has to be addressed 14:59:34 LS: if separte items in github they can be responed to better 14:59:43 zakim, next item 14:59:43 agendum 4. "easy reading guidlines and our document" taken up [from lisa] 14:59:49 LS: if there are any comments in WCAG list worth tracking too 14:59:53 zakim, take up issue 5 14:59:53 I don't understand 'take up issue 5', lisa 15:00:04 zakim, take up item 5 15:00:04 agendum 5. "APA items https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:COGA" taken up [from lisa] 15:00:30 LS: we just have another minute review understanding section for all diferent task forces 15:00:47 LS: we should review to see if anything object to ini it 15:00:56 laura has joined #coga 15:01:26 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC 15:01:30 LS: i’ll send ot list and track in list, understanding sections in SC that isn’t ours and see if anything we should add 15:01:45 LS: if people can comment on here that would be great 15:02:03 no problem 15:02:09 LS: any last minure questions? 15:12:46 correction needed to minutes “ they want to go to CR by September 12” Should read “ they want to go to CR by December 12” 16:04:37 rrsagent, create minutes 16:04:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-minutes.html lisa 16:05:19 zakim, please part 16:05:19 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been JohnRochford, AndyHeath, lisa, kirkwood, Pietro 16:05:19 Zakim has left #coga 16:05:35 rrsagent, please part 16:05:35 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-actions.rdf : 16:05:35 ACTION: johnkirkwwod to find for implention websites for interuptions - IE four websites that conform to the success cryteria http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#interruptions-minimum [1] 16:05:35 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-irc#T14-42-45 16:05:35 ACTION: kirkwwod to find for implention websites for interuptions - IE four websites that conform to the success cryteria http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#interruptions-minimum [2] 16:05:35 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-irc#T14-42-54 16:05:35 ACTION: kirkwood to find for implention websites for interuptions - IE four websites that conform to the success cryteria http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/master/guidelines/index.html#interruptions-minimum [3] 16:05:35 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-irc#T14-43-22 16:05:35 ACTION: rochford to find for implention websites for accessible authentification success cryteria [4] 16:05:35 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-irc#T14-44-56 16:05:35 ACTION: check with wcag if each item listed needs impletion in pourpose of controls, and if autocomplete is included [5] 16:05:35 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-irc#T14-48-16 16:05:35 ACTION: lisa check with wcag if each item listed needs impletion in pourpose of controls, and if autocomplete is included [6] 16:05:35 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/10/26-coga-irc#T14-48-25