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15:49:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:49:20 <trackbot> Date: 25 October 2017
15:49:25 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:49:25 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
15:49:25 <janina> agenda+ CSS A11y TF
15:49:25 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:49:26 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:49:27 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:49:30 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:49:32 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:51:50 <janina>  present+
15:51:54 <janina> chair: janina
15:55:33 <janina> regrets: john, gottfried
16:01:23 <MichaelC> present+
16:02:38 <janina> regrets+ Joanie
16:02:48 <Mark_Wilcock> present+ Mark Wilcock
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16:03:45 <JF> Present+ JF
16:03:52 <IanPouncey> present+
16:03:53 <JF> scribe: JF
16:03:56 <JF> agenda?
16:04:04 <JF> zakim, take up item 1
16:04:04 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:04:27 <JF> JS: basic agenda.
16:04:44 <JF> Good news - new member for/at APA. [Introductions]
16:07:54 <JF> Welcoming Mark Wilcock
16:09:41 <JF> zakim, next item
16:09:41 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017" taken up [from janina]
16:09:54 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
16:09:58 <JF> JS: beginnings of an agenda
16:10:33 <JF> Monday is looking quite full - if there is something that you are directly participating in please be sure that times work for you
16:10:51 <JF> JS: there are still things coming that aren't on the calendar
16:11:10 <JF> ie. having a chat with the automotive fols (ref: a11y and autonomous driving cars)
16:11:22 <JF> s/fols/folks
16:12:21 <JF> zakim, next item
16:12:21 <Zakim> agendum 3. "CSS A11y TF" taken up [from janina]
16:12:54 <JF> JS: is Monday morning a good time to prep for this, in anticipation of a Tuesday joint-meeting?
16:13:21 <JF> JS: Charles LaPierre and others from Publishing have some requests related to that as well
16:13:38 <JF> IP: yep, sounds fine
16:14:14 <JF> IP: sadly behind on github issues - will address that this week
16:14:39 <JF> IP: have started working on an agenda for our joint meeting with CSS WG
16:15:40 <JF> AGenda so far: introductions, the history of the TF, progress and recent push
16:15:53 <JF> where we are, participants, and hopefully a call for help
16:16:32 <JF> the real "meat" however is to discuss known issues/concerns, as well as seek input on future requests
16:16:51 <JF> also, how to most effectively intergrate withtheir WG
16:17:34 <JF> JS: questions?
16:18:23 <JF> JS: Introductions will need to be brief when we meet with that group - anticipate a large turnout
16:18:42 <JF> JS: agenda sounds good - can Ian share that so that we can forward it along?
16:19:04 <JF> do we want to focus on any particular issues? (highlight things that need to be worked on now)
16:19:20 <JF> i.e. media queries issue/concern
16:19:55 <JF> IP: yes, the key goal is to gain focus and clarity on topics
16:20:27 <JF> Q+
16:20:50 <janina> q?
16:20:53 <janina> ack jf
16:21:45 <JF> JF asking if we might invite EO to the meeting?
16:22:39 <JF> IP: can add agenda item to discuss whether or not to involve EO...
16:22:53 <JF> whether we invite them or not TBD - perhaps have a chat with EO post TPAC
16:23:24 <JF> JS: we can talk about that during the prep time
16:23:37 <JF> JS: we will only have an hour, so this may not yet be mature enough
16:25:28 <tink> scscribe: tink
16:26:17 <tink> IP: I'll work on a list of initial topics, and will circulate.
16:26:26 <tink> zakim, next item
16:26:26 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:26:37 <tink> zakim, close item 3
16:26:37 <Zakim> agendum 3, CSS A11y TF, closed
16:26:38 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:26:38 <Zakim> 4. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]
16:26:48 <tink> action-2153?
16:26:48 <trackbot> action-2153 -- John Foliot to Review and draft a warning note for orienation api spec, for apa review -- due 2017-10-25 -- OPEN
16:26:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2153
16:27:12 <tink> action-2151?
16:27:12 <trackbot> action-2151 -- Janina Sajka to Review permissions https://www.w3.org/tr/permissions/ -- due 2017-10-18 -- OPEN
16:27:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2151
16:27:19 <tink> JS: Still looking at it.
16:27:29 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
16:27:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/25-apa-minutes.html tink
16:28:11 <tink> action-2123?
16:28:11 <trackbot> action-2123 -- Shane McCarron to Triage changelog of dom 4.1 https://www.w3.org/tr/dom41/#historical-changes-fpwd-dom4 - note stuff on mutation -- due 2017-04-19 -- OPEN
16:28:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2123
16:28:23 <tink> MC: There is a new draft out.
16:28:37 <tink> ... Shane is helping Joanie with ARIA testing.
16:28:51 <tink> ... Should reassign?
16:29:14 <tink> ... Becky Gibson may rejoin.
16:29:53 <tink> ... We have actions older than a year.
16:29:56 <tink> zakim, close item 4
16:29:56 <Zakim> agendum 4, Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8, closed
16:29:58 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:29:58 <Zakim> 5. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
16:30:05 <tink> kim, take up next item
16:30:13 <tink> zakim, take up next item
16:30:13 <Zakim> agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:30:17 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/tracking-dnt/ Tracking Preference Expression (DNT)
16:30:27 <tink> s/kim, take up next item//
16:30:37 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:31:09 <tink> MC: Tracking Preference Expression spec.
16:31:15 <tink> ... Are we interested?
16:31:21 <tink> JS: Think not.
16:31:46 <tink> MC: CSS Flexbox.
16:31:52 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-flexbox-1/ CSS Flexible Box Layout Module Level 1
16:31:58 <tink> ... Has gone to CR.
16:32:21 <tink> ... Do we say anything?
16:32:30 <tink> LW: Have we said anything before?
16:32:42 <tink> JS: Discussion at TPAC 2015.
16:33:12 <tink> MC: We agreed at some point not to hold back Flexbox, because the same problem affects a group of similar specs.
16:33:35 <tink> IP: There is a common issue in the form of content order.
16:33:55 <tink> ... Suggest drafting some suggestions about how that's documented.
16:34:39 <tink> ... Should content order follow visual order for AT, or keyboard users etc.
16:35:12 <tink> MC: Do you think this would be best practice for authors?
16:36:09 <tink> IP: Two aspects, best practice for implementation, and then adequate documentation for authors to understand how it works.
16:36:37 <tink> MC: The most we could ask the spec would be an accessibility consideration section.
16:37:09 <tink> IP: We can file issues on each repo.
16:37:22 <tink> MC: With Flexbox in CR it'll get harder to change things.
16:37:42 <tink> IP: I'd like us to start writing some of this ASAP.
16:38:41 <tink> LW: Wonder if we're to late for UA guidance?
16:39:00 <tink> ... Firefox had a good solution, though it was deemed to be a bug because of the spec language, but now they've reverted it.
16:39:10 <tink> MC: Not sure it's too late.
16:39:57 <tink> JS: Consensus seemed to be that rewriting the DOM was a problem.
16:40:05 <tink> LW: Firefox didn't rewrite the DOM.
16:40:20 <tink> MC: But if we can get the browsers to agree to do it the way Firefox did, that oculd be a way forward.
16:40:28 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:43:16 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
16:43:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/25-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
16:43:37 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/w3process/issues/117
16:44:17 <tink> LW: There is an open issue on the W3 Process to require accessibility considerations in specs.
16:44:33 <tink> MC: So for Flexbox we're not going to do anything directly.
16:46:51 <tink> zakim, take up next item
16:46:51 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
16:46:59 <tink> zakim, close item 5
16:46:59 <Zakim> agendum 5, new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html, closed
16:47:01 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:47:01 <Zakim> 6. Other Business [from janina]
16:47:07 <tink> JS: Anything?
16:47:12 <MichaelC> s/scscribe: tink/scribe: tink/
16:48:20 <tink> MC: MC: We need to get the CAPTCHA document updated.
16:48:35 <tink> JS: Having trouble getting it to a point where Roy and Michael can work on it.
16:49:49 <tink> ... Will try for this week.
16:49:57 <tink> present+
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