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12:00:51 <kaz> Meeting: WoT IG/WG
12:01:17 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Matthias_Kovatsch, Darko_Anicic, Michael_Koster, Micheael_McCool, Taki_Kamiya
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12:04:33 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
12:04:38 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda
12:04:39 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:04:57 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda
12:05:13 <kaz> present+ Takeshi_Sano
12:07:16 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:08:00 <zkis> present+ Zoltan_Kis
12:09:01 <kaz> scribenick: mjkoster
12:09:07 <McCool> present+ Michael_McCool
12:09:10 <kaz> present+ Toru_Kawaguchi
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12:09:35 <kaz> present- Micheael_McCool
12:10:03 <kaz> present+ Uday_Davuluru
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12:10:54 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda
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12:12:01 <mjkoster> topic: schedule for architecture, scripting, and binding template document
12:12:16 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf
12:12:25 <mjkoster> ...example schedule on the wiki page:
12:13:40 <mjkoster> ...five milestones in the document schedule from FPWD to REC state
12:14:00 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_Security_WebConf#Dates
12:14:03 <mjkoster> mccool: created a schedule section in the document
12:14:13 <mjkoster> matthias: yes, lets do this
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12:14:35 <mjkoster> mccool: review the schedule along with the document
12:15:21 <mjkoster> matthias: contact mjkoster about getting an early document for binding templates
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12:15:33 <mjkoster> mccool: there is a deadline of Nov 1st
12:16:34 <kaz> mjkoster: I already have a ReSpec version and just need to swap some of the text
12:16:46 <mjkoster> matthias: text needs to be put into the newest respec template
12:17:00 <mjkoster> ... which has been nit-picked already
12:17:01 <sebastian> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:18:01 <mjkoster> topic: update to CP document
12:19:12 <McCool> q+
12:19:13 <mjkoster> ...currently under heavy restructuring to sync up with the FPWD documents
12:19:27 <kaz> q?
12:19:30 <kaz> ack m
12:19:53 <mjkoster> mccool: should archive the release version or checkpoint in git with a tag
12:20:22 <mkovatsc> q?
12:20:25 <dape> q+
12:20:54 <kaz> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest
12:20:56 <mjkoster> dape: should keep an actual copy of the document to review from time to time
12:21:02 <dape> ack dape
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12:21:27 <mkovatsc> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/current-practices
12:21:36 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest||
12:22:14 <mjkoster> the correct link is:
12:22:16 <mjkoster> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/current-practices
12:22:26 <mjkoster> ...any other updates?
12:22:41 <kaz> present+ Yongjing_Zhang
12:23:00 <McCool> q+
12:23:34 <mjkoster> yongjing: please review and provide feedback on the submission for (?)
12:23:45 <kaz> i/any other updates?/topic: Infoshare/
12:23:54 <mjkoster> matthias: will review and comment by Friday
12:24:10 <kaz> s/(?)/ETSI IoT Week/
12:24:16 <mjkoster> mccool: NDIS CFP is available, deadline is Dec 1
12:24:33 <kaz> s/NDIS/NDSS/
12:24:36 <mjkoster> ... plan to submit a paper on WoT security
12:24:52 <mjkoster> ...also giving a talk 1 hour long
12:25:16 <mjkoster> ... will prepare and circulate a draft, will finalize on Monday
12:25:18 <mkovatsc> q?
12:25:25 <mkovatsc> ack McCool
12:25:39 <mjkoster> topic: TPAC logistics
12:25:48 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTPlugFest201711/results
12:25:59 <mkovatsc> Register: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTPlugFest201711/
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12:26:06 <yongjing> my presentation is for 'ETSI IoT Week 2017'
12:26:07 <mjkoster> matthias: reminder to register using this link
12:26:22 <mkovatsc> Draft Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_4-10_November_2017,_Burlingame,_CA,_USA#Agenda
12:26:59 <kaz> present+ Keiichi_Tokuyama
12:27:23 <kaz> present+ Kazuaki_Nimura, Masato_Ohura
12:28:06 <mjkoster> ... review the agenda
12:28:07 <yongjing> q+
12:29:01 <mjkoster> mccool: add teh security document to the introduction
12:29:06 <mjkoster> s/teh/the
12:29:43 <mjkoster> matthias: need to assign speakers and do more detailed planning of the talk
12:29:59 <mjkoster> mccool: maybe one person could present the overview
12:30:06 <mjkoster> matthias: agree
12:30:33 <mjkoster> matthias: we also want to invite some open discussion
12:30:43 <yongjing> where to find the latest binding template draft?
12:31:03 <kaz> action: kaz to check with Dave and clarify who is invited to the mini-openday on Monday
12:31:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-120 - Check with dave and clarify who is invited to the mini-openday on monday [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2017-10-25].
12:31:06 <yongjing> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates this link provides basically nothing..
12:31:07 <mjkoster> ... dsr has invited some local companies, do we have a list of RSVP or idea of who will be there?
12:31:56 <mjkoster> ... social lunch 1.5 hours
12:32:46 <mjkoster> ... afternoon topic on event models for design patterns and architecture context
12:33:20 <mjkoster> ... main theme is multi-servient, cloud connectivity, NAT/firewall
12:33:41 <mjkoster> ... also to standardize security patterns
12:33:43 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:33:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:34:22 <mjkoster> mccool: note that need to support Amazon security model to work with Alexa
12:34:24 <kaz> Chair: Matthias, McCool, Yongjing
12:34:31 <kaz> regrets: Kazuo_Kajimoto
12:34:42 <mjkoster> ... also will have semantic annotation as a theme
12:35:17 <mjkoster> ... need to decide how to include the annotation in the TD
12:36:05 <mjkoster> ... when to schedule the Plugfest feedback, needs to be in the morning for remote participation
12:36:55 <mjkoster> mccool: late afternoon would be a good schedule for open day
12:37:49 <kaz> [NOTE: 9am US Pacific is 6pm in Europe on Nov. 6]
12:38:58 <mjkoster> matthias: (reorganizes schedule accordingly)
12:40:17 <mkovatsc> q?
12:41:17 <kaz> ack y
12:41:42 <kaz> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mjkoster/wot-protocol-binding/master/bindingtemplates-rawtext-16102017.txt
12:42:02 <kaz> raw text draft above
12:42:48 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/5 pullrequest 5
12:43:45 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates Binding Templates repo
12:43:52 <mkovatsc> q?
12:44:03 <mjkoster> yongjing: needs binding template document for reference in his presentation
12:44:06 <yongjing> q-
12:44:14 <mjkoster> matthias: use index.html
12:44:45 <mjkoster> mccool: use a working branch for work in progress, loot at table css
12:45:04 <mjkoster> matthias: use the architecture document for a respec template
12:45:25 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture WoT Architecture repo
12:46:03 <kaz> matthias: should consider how to apply the pubrules checker, etc.
12:46:04 <mjkoster> mjkoster: will prepare a new respec version of the Binding Templates for review by Friday
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12:47:20 <mjkoster> matthias: Afternoon: security considerations
12:47:27 <zkis> looks like my mike doesn't work now: I would like to add a topic for terminology, see last comments here: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/35
12:47:52 <mjkoster> s/Afternoon:/breakouts:
12:47:54 <zkis> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/issues/35#issuecomment-337555425
12:48:26 <kaz> q?
12:48:48 <kaz> q+ zkis to propose a topic on terminology
12:50:06 <mjkoster> matthias: Binding Templates discussion on Tuesday AM, review of open issues
12:50:14 <mkovatsc> q?
12:50:25 <kaz> ack z
12:50:25 <Zakim> zkis, you wanted to propose a topic on terminology
12:51:06 <mjkoster> zkis: need to include terminology and discuss at the beginning of the F2F
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12:53:01 <kaz> [@@@ Zoltan's input on IRC to be moved here]
12:53:06 <mjkoster> ...tuesday afternoon
12:54:09 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:54:30 <mjkoster> sebastian: need to have discussion and get feedback on JSON schema and type ontology
12:54:46 <mjkoster> ... needs to enable remote participation
12:55:06 <mjkoster> matthias: need to refine the topics of the TD discussion
12:55:34 <mkovatsc> q?
12:56:15 <mjkoster> zkis: discussion is needed on how to include scripts in TD or include TD in script (aka polymer)
12:56:45 <mjkoster> matthias: this is at the early stage of discussion
12:56:57 <mjkoster> zkis: can discuss more in the next call
12:57:08 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/57 TD issue 57
12:57:17 <kaz> s/next call/next TD call/
12:57:40 <mjkoster> mccool: maybe we could add a new issues discussion where we cover this and similar topics
12:58:02 <mjkoster> matthias: it's related to long term vision
12:58:30 <mjkoster> zkis: the script/TD discussion has security aspects
12:58:50 <mjkoster> mccool: want to generalize Alexa to voice interface
12:59:20 <mjkoster> ... there is also the specific Alexa semantic framework
12:59:32 <kaz> q+
13:00:12 <mjkoster> matthias: slot for plugfest demo on Wednesday
13:00:38 <mjkoster> mccool: get posters lined up with the schedule
13:01:04 <mjkoster> matthias: we need to make the plugfest poster on site
13:01:42 <mjkoster> mccool: sent out an email about a candidate release for Security Considerations
13:02:12 <McCool> https://rawgit.com/w3c/wot-security/master/index.html
13:02:21 <mjkoster> ... wee need to review and get consensus to release by the next general (Wednesday the 25th) meeting
13:02:28 <mjkoster> s/wee/we
13:03:04 <mjkoster> ... will integrate more PRs until Monday
13:03:33 <mjkoster> matthias: what is Sushi?
13:03:36 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2017/SessionIdeas#Web_of_Things_PlugFest_Demos_.28Outreach.40TPAC.29 PlugFest demo breakout proposal
13:03:39 <mjkoster> ... rawgit
13:04:32 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_4-10_November_2017,_Burlingame,_CA,_USA#Joint_meetings_with_related_groups_--_Please_add_your_name_under_the_groups
13:04:38 <mjkoster> matthias: who is going to observe and attend other groups at TPAC? please update the wiku
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13:04:45 <mjkoster> s/wiku/wiki
13:05:00 <mkovatsc> q?
13:05:22 <kaz> i|https|kaz: demo proposal as part of breakout sessions above|
13:05:25 <kaz> ack k
13:05:49 <mjkoster> adjourn
13:05:49 <kaz> [adjourned]
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