IRC log of wot on 2017-10-18

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Meeting: WoT IG/WG
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Matthias_Kovatsch, Darko_Anicic, Michael_Koster, Micheael_McCool, Taki_Kamiya
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present+ DarkoAnicic
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present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
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present+ Daniel_Peintner
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present+ Takeshi_Sano
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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present+ Zoltan_Kis
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scribenick: mjkoster
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present+ Michael_McCool
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present+ Toru_Kawaguchi
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present- Micheael_McCool
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present+ Uday_Davuluru
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topic: schedule for architecture, scripting, and binding template document
12:12:16 [kaz]
12:12:25 [mjkoster]
...example schedule on the wiki page:
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...five milestones in the document schedule from FPWD to REC state
12:14:00 [kaz]
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mccool: created a schedule section in the document
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matthias: yes, lets do this
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mccool: review the schedule along with the document
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matthias: contact mjkoster about getting an early document for binding templates
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mccool: there is a deadline of Nov 1st
12:16:34 [kaz]
mjkoster: I already have a ReSpec version and just need to swap some of the text
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matthias: text needs to be put into the newest respec template
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... which has been nit-picked already
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present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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topic: update to CP document
12:19:12 [McCool]
12:19:13 [mjkoster]
...currently under heavy restructuring to sync up with the FPWD documents
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ack m
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mccool: should archive the release version or checkpoint in git with a tag
12:20:22 [mkovatsc]
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12:20:54 [kaz]
12:20:56 [mjkoster]
dape: should keep an actual copy of the document to review from time to time
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ack dape
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12:22:14 [mjkoster]
the correct link is:
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12:22:26 [mjkoster]
...any other updates?
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present+ Yongjing_Zhang
12:23:00 [McCool]
12:23:34 [mjkoster]
yongjing: please review and provide feedback on the submission for (?)
12:23:45 [kaz]
i/any other updates?/topic: Infoshare/
12:23:54 [mjkoster]
matthias: will review and comment by Friday
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s/(?)/ETSI IoT Week/
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mccool: NDIS CFP is available, deadline is Dec 1
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12:24:36 [mjkoster]
... plan to submit a paper on WoT security
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...also giving a talk 1 hour long
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... will prepare and circulate a draft, will finalize on Monday
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ack McCool
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topic: TPAC logistics
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my presentation is for 'ETSI IoT Week 2017'
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matthias: reminder to register using this link
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Draft Agenda:,_4-10_November_2017,_Burlingame,_CA,_USA#Agenda
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present+ Keiichi_Tokuyama
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present+ Kazuaki_Nimura, Masato_Ohura
12:28:06 [mjkoster]
... review the agenda
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mccool: add teh security document to the introduction
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12:29:43 [mjkoster]
matthias: need to assign speakers and do more detailed planning of the talk
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mccool: maybe one person could present the overview
12:30:06 [mjkoster]
matthias: agree
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matthias: we also want to invite some open discussion
12:30:43 [yongjing]
where to find the latest binding template draft?
12:31:03 [kaz]
action: kaz to check with Dave and clarify who is invited to the mini-openday on Monday
12:31:04 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-120 - Check with dave and clarify who is invited to the mini-openday on monday [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2017-10-25].
12:31:06 [yongjing] this link provides basically nothing..
12:31:07 [mjkoster]
... dsr has invited some local companies, do we have a list of RSVP or idea of who will be there?
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... social lunch 1.5 hours
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... afternoon topic on event models for design patterns and architecture context
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... main theme is multi-servient, cloud connectivity, NAT/firewall
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... also to standardize security patterns
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate kaz
12:34:22 [mjkoster]
mccool: note that need to support Amazon security model to work with Alexa
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Chair: Matthias, McCool, Yongjing
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regrets: Kazuo_Kajimoto
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... also will have semantic annotation as a theme
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... need to decide how to include the annotation in the TD
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... when to schedule the Plugfest feedback, needs to be in the morning for remote participation
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mccool: late afternoon would be a good schedule for open day
12:37:49 [kaz]
[NOTE: 9am US Pacific is 6pm in Europe on Nov. 6]
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matthias: (reorganizes schedule accordingly)
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ack y
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raw text draft above
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-> pullrequest 5
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-> Binding Templates repo
12:43:52 [mkovatsc]
12:44:03 [mjkoster]
yongjing: needs binding template document for reference in his presentation
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12:44:14 [mjkoster]
matthias: use index.html
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mccool: use a working branch for work in progress, loot at table css
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matthias: use the architecture document for a respec template
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-> WoT Architecture repo
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matthias: should consider how to apply the pubrules checker, etc.
12:46:04 [mjkoster]
mjkoster: will prepare a new respec version of the Binding Templates for review by Friday
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matthias: Afternoon: security considerations
12:47:27 [zkis]
looks like my mike doesn't work now: I would like to add a topic for terminology, see last comments here:
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12:48:26 [kaz]
12:48:48 [kaz]
q+ zkis to propose a topic on terminology
12:50:06 [mjkoster]
matthias: Binding Templates discussion on Tuesday AM, review of open issues
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ack z
12:50:25 [Zakim]
zkis, you wanted to propose a topic on terminology
12:51:06 [mjkoster]
zkis: need to include terminology and discuss at the beginning of the F2F
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[@@@ Zoltan's input on IRC to be moved here]
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...tuesday afternoon
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present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
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sebastian: need to have discussion and get feedback on JSON schema and type ontology
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... needs to enable remote participation
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matthias: need to refine the topics of the TD discussion
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12:56:15 [mjkoster]
zkis: discussion is needed on how to include scripts in TD or include TD in script (aka polymer)
12:56:45 [mjkoster]
matthias: this is at the early stage of discussion
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zkis: can discuss more in the next call
12:57:08 [kaz]
-> TD issue 57
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s/next call/next TD call/
12:57:40 [mjkoster]
mccool: maybe we could add a new issues discussion where we cover this and similar topics
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matthias: it's related to long term vision
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zkis: the script/TD discussion has security aspects
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mccool: want to generalize Alexa to voice interface
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... there is also the specific Alexa semantic framework
12:59:32 [kaz]
13:00:12 [mjkoster]
matthias: slot for plugfest demo on Wednesday
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mccool: get posters lined up with the schedule
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matthias: we need to make the plugfest poster on site
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mccool: sent out an email about a candidate release for Security Considerations
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... wee need to review and get consensus to release by the next general (Wednesday the 25th) meeting
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... will integrate more PRs until Monday
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matthias: what is Sushi?
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-> PlugFest demo breakout proposal
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... rawgit
13:04:32 [mkovatsc],_4-10_November_2017,_Burlingame,_CA,_USA#Joint_meetings_with_related_groups_--_Please_add_your_name_under_the_groups
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matthias: who is going to observe and attend other groups at TPAC? please update the wiku
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i|https|kaz: demo proposal as part of breakout sessions above|
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ack k
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate kaz
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