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12:01:27 <kaz_> rrsagent, bye
12:01:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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12:02:26 <kaz_> Meeting: WoT IG/WG
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12:03:06 <kaz_> present: Kaz_Ashimura, Dave_Raggett, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Takeshi_Yamada, Uday_Davuluru, Zoltan_Kis
12:03:48 <kaz_> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda
12:04:03 <kaz_> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:04:44 <kaz_> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
12:05:59 <kaz_> present+ Taki_Kamiya
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12:07:28 <kaz_> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2017/ TPAC
12:07:35 <kaz_> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTPlugFest201711/ PlugFest
12:07:44 <kaz_> kaz: registration sites above
12:08:49 <kaz_> present+ Soumya_Kanti_Datta
12:09:00 <kaz_> zakim, pick a scribe
12:09:00 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Kaz_Ashimura
12:09:11 <kaz_> scribenick: kaz
12:09:22 <kaz_> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:09:26 <kaz_> topic: node-wot update
12:09:39 <kaz_> dape: cleaning node-wot
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12:09:53 <kaz_> ... still working with Eclipse
12:10:13 <kaz_> mm: changing the license is good starting point
12:11:16 <kaz_> kaz: @@@
12:11:19 <kaz_> ... plh and wendy
12:11:25 <kaz_> ... have 2 licenses?
12:11:39 <kaz_> dape: more complex to have multiple licenses
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12:11:48 <kaz_> ... so having only one license would be easier
12:11:56 <kaz_> mm: meaning only W3C license?
12:12:07 <kaz_> dape: yes, and will check again
12:12:57 <kaz_> ... would like to move node-wot repo to eclipse repo
12:13:00 <dape> see https://github.com/eclipse/
12:13:01 <kaz_> kaz: not the w3c repo?
12:13:19 <kaz_> mm: let's talk about the detail separately during the Chairs call
12:13:21 <kaz_> kaz: ok
12:13:31 <kaz_> topic: IoT dev fest talk
12:13:36 <kaz_> mm: submitted
12:13:42 <kaz_> https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2017/09/06/global-iot-devfest-returns-bigger-better
12:13:56 <kaz_> mm: me and koster invited to give talks
12:14:13 <kaz_> topic: security workshop
12:14:22 <kaz_> mm: IEEE S&P proposal rejected
12:14:29 <kaz_> ... so we'll focus on the NDSS one
12:14:42 <kaz_> topic: editor training
12:15:02 <kaz_> mm: deferred
12:15:13 <kaz_> kaz: schedule part could be done during the TF calls
12:15:16 <kaz_> ... e.g., TD
12:15:18 <kaz_> mm: ok
12:15:27 <kaz_> topic: TPAC logistics
12:15:32 <kaz_> mm: 2 registrations
12:15:42 <kaz_> ... please get registered asap
12:15:54 <kaz_>     TPAC: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2017/
12:15:54 <kaz_>     Plugfest: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTPlugFest201711/
12:16:25 <kaz_> mm: monday, kind of open day
12:16:30 <kaz_> ... meetings with related groups
12:16:36 <kaz_> ... listed on the wiki
12:16:56 <kaz_> ... plugfest preparation
12:17:14 <kaz_> ... weekly call 1 hour before this main call
12:17:33 <kaz_> ... btw, is there any information on the possible dinner?
12:17:53 <kaz_> kaz: 2 possibilities
12:18:07 <kaz_> ... plugfest dinner or tpac dinner
12:18:46 <kaz_> https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/
12:19:29 <kaz_> kaz: meetup on Mon, AC dinner on Tue, reception on Wed
12:19:44 <kaz_> mm: anybody going to the meetup?
12:19:52 <kaz_> https://www.w3.org/2017/11/Meetup/
12:20:29 <kaz_> kaz: possible light reception
12:21:04 <kaz_> mm: maybe we can have a doodle poll?
12:21:32 <kaz_> kaz: ok
12:22:04 <kaz_> ... also please get registered with TPAC and PlugFest asap
12:22:15 <kaz_> mm: plugfest logistics?
12:22:30 <kaz_> taki: booked a room at Fujitsu facility
12:23:09 <kaz_> ... will ask the security people to accept you in the morning
12:23:37 <kaz_> ... note I'll have the EXI meeting in the evening on Sunday
12:23:57 <kaz_> ... so some people would have difficulty with dinner on Sunday
12:24:12 <kaz_> topic: Presentations/Discussions
12:24:22 <kaz_> later
12:24:26 <kaz_> topic: TF reports
12:24:39 <kaz_> topic: TD
12:24:55 <kaz_> sk: last week we had brainstorming on major changes for TD
12:25:01 <kaz_> ... going to apply in the plugfest
12:25:12 <kaz_> ... went through to see what would be reasonable
12:25:27 <kaz_> ... 2 problems need clarifications this week
12:25:34 <kaz_> ... to be applied to TPAC
12:25:43 <kaz_> ... will continue the discussion this Friday
12:25:54 <kaz_> topic: Scripting
12:26:06 <kaz_> zk: mainly discussed Dave's proposal
12:26:25 <kaz_> ... relevant to this main call as well
12:26:34 <kaz_> ... creating remote Things
12:26:46 <kaz_> mm: create an issue on GitHub?
12:26:59 <kaz_> zk: this is a big topic recently introduced by Dave
12:27:15 <kaz_> ... would invite you all for comments
12:27:31 <kaz_> ... McCool, you also can put the issue for the security side
12:27:48 <kaz_> ... Dave, maybe you can give some comments?
12:28:36 <kaz_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/64
12:29:52 <dsr> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/352
12:30:10 <kaz_> zk: files as an issue for wot
12:30:32 <kaz_> ... should be moved to wot-security
12:31:01 <kaz_> ... btw, wot-security should be linked from the wotwg repo as well
12:31:31 <kaz_> mm: will add that
12:31:53 <kaz_> zk: and then move wot/issues/352 to wot-security
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12:32:57 <kaz_> mm: just added the link to wot-security on wotwg/REAME.md
12:33:14 <kaz_> dsr: will move the issue to wot-security
12:33:43 <kaz_> topic: Binding
12:34:07 <kaz_> koster: payload structure instead of having separate templates for the whole JSON things
12:34:18 <kaz_> ... I need to generate a new section for the document
12:34:32 <kaz_> ... quite a bit of discussions during the last 2 calls
12:34:38 <kaz_> ... ongoing discussion
12:34:43 <kaz_> ... got some good ideas
12:34:54 <kaz_> ... go forward with the protocols
12:35:10 <kaz_> ... including websocket proposal by Mozilla
12:35:20 <kaz_> ... also how to handle Eventing
12:35:37 <kaz_> ... can listen on websocket but how to handle Events
12:35:48 <kaz_> ... also need to create subscription
12:36:02 <kaz_> ... high level interaction
12:36:19 <kaz_> ... right now just subscribed and get events
12:36:34 <kaz_> ... also push patter
12:36:40 <kaz_> s/patter/pattern/
12:36:57 <kaz_> ... how Events go out
12:37:12 <kaz_> ... and what protocol binding looks like at proxy
12:37:33 <kaz_> ... automatically subscribed to some Thing
12:37:47 <kaz_> ... need to figure out the schedule
12:38:01 <kaz_> topic: Security
12:38:10 <kaz_> mm: Elena was not available
12:38:16 <kaz_> ... so cleaned up the existing issues
12:38:27 <kaz_> ... e.g., the threat model
12:38:41 <McCool> https://rawgit.com/w3c/wot-security/working/index.html
12:38:54 <kaz_> mm: rendered version above
12:39:22 <kaz_> ... lot of Editors notes to fill in missing pieces
12:39:32 <kaz_> ... entire threat model has been included here
12:39:49 <kaz_> ... also some scenario
12:40:01 <kaz_> ... still missing industry scenario, etc.
12:40:19 <kaz_> ... also still working with the working branch
12:40:34 <kaz_> ... Elena working on use cases
12:40:51 <kaz_> ... cleaned up references
12:41:14 <kaz_> ... please file issues if any problems
12:41:54 <kaz_> ... all the stuff of the threat model has definition
12:42:14 <kaz_> topic: AOB
12:42:19 <kaz_> mm: anything?
12:42:34 <dsr> q+
12:42:38 <kaz_> kaz: please get registered asap!
12:43:04 <dape> q+ to editor traning now
12:43:27 <kaz_> ... the deadline for early registration is Oct 6
12:43:32 <dape> ack dape
12:43:32 <Zakim> dape, you wanted to editor traning now
12:43:51 <mjkoster> I need to drop off early
12:44:02 <kaz_>  https://www.w3.org/2017/Talks/0608-ash-nazg-ka/
12:44:28 <kaz_>  https://www.w3.org/2017/Talks/0608-ash-nazg-ka/
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12:52:57 <sebastian> q+
12:54:06 <kaz_> ack s
12:54:10 <McCool> q+
12:54:15 <kaz_> sk: how does that work?
12:55:13 <kaz_> kaz: TCs help you
12:55:14 <kaz_> q?
12:55:28 <kaz_> ack m
12:55:47 <kaz_> mm: what about wot-security?
12:55:58 <kaz_> kaz: wot-security is WG note, so we don't need this
12:56:04 <kaz_> ack d
12:56:07 <dsr> Just to say that I have been invited to give a presentation on behalf of W3C to a European Commission workshop on October 17, see https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/events/cf/workshop-on-ict-standardisation-in-support-of-digitising-and-transforming-european-industry/register.cfm
12:56:26 <kaz_> i/Just/topic: AOB/
12:57:03 <kaz_> mm: when?
12:57:07 <kaz_> dsr: oct. 17
12:57:21 <kaz_> mm: Yongjing also give some talk ato some event
12:57:31 <kaz_> ... we could share information
12:57:41 <kaz_> ... can review your slides as well
12:57:50 <kaz_> dsr: not too much technical
12:58:16 <kaz_> mm: we need to work together
12:58:31 <kaz_> kaz: there was a specific area for presentatiosn
12:58:56 <kaz_> mm: we should collaborate to generate some standard slides
12:59:02 <kaz_> s/presentatiosn/presentation/
12:59:23 <kaz_> mm: maybe we can check with Yongjing as well
12:59:33 <kaz_> dsr: Yongjing will be back next week
12:59:44 <kaz_> ... can talk with you, Michael McCool, this week
13:00:01 <kaz_> sk: wall-up poster on WoT core ideas?
13:00:16 <kaz_> ... for Wednesday demo during TPAC?
13:00:35 <kaz_> mm: let's discuss it next week
13:01:01 <kaz_> kaz: meaning the banner posters
13:01:04 <kaz_> sk: yes
13:01:14 <kaz_> mm: will add that to the next agenda
13:01:35 <kaz_> sk: we can find the previous one as the starting point
13:01:38 <kaz_> dape: yes
13:02:05 <kaz_> mm: added that to the agenda for Oct 11
13:02:14 <kaz_> [adjourned]
13:02:36 <dape> see https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/master/plugfest/2016-lisbon
13:03:02 <kaz_> rrsagent, make log public
13:03:08 <kaz_> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:03:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/10/04-wot-minutes.html kaz_
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