14:02:56 RRSAgent has joined #wpwg 14:02:56 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-wpwg-irc 14:02:59 Meeting: Web Payments WG 14:03:02 Chair: AdrianHB 14:03:05 Scribe: Ian 14:03:06 present+ 14:03:08 present+ rouslan 14:03:16 present+ MattdeGanon 14:03:22 AdrianHB has joined #wpwg 14:03:27 dezell has joined #wpwg 14:03:27 agenda: https://github.com/w3c/automotive-pay/wiki/Agenda-20170928 14:03:58 present+ AdrianHB 14:04:26 alyver has joined #wpwg 14:04:30 present+ 14:05:32 regrets+ NickTR 14:05:52 present+ dezell 14:06:47 https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20170928 14:07:14 Topic: CR status 14:07:59 Topic: Charter 14:08:06 https://w3c.github.io/webpayments/proposals/charter-2017 14:08:44 AdrianHB: A few weeks ago we asked people to bring their ideas for charter topics to the call. 14:09:42 q+ 14:09:57 ack me 14:11:27 IJ: Matt, do you want to write down recurring payments ideas for FTF meeting? 14:11:45 Matt: Yes, happy to do this. Tricky topics like parameters, who uses the information, how it is passed to the back end. 14:11:57 ...so I think this goes beyond customer and merchant if it is meant to be useful. 14:13:00 adrianhb: Some of these topics are pertinent to some payment methods but not all 14:13:09 ...so part of the discussion is whether a feature is for PR API or for a payment method 14:13:20 present+ Molly 14:14:03 ..it's still worth having these topics in our charter (but how they manifest themselves may vary...PR API or payment method) 14:15:13 IJ: Is this of sufficient interest to you? 14:15:15 Matt: Yes 14:16:18 https://github.com/w3c/payment-request/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22Priority%3A+Postponed%22 14:17:47 IJ: Andre, if we were to expand data collection, what would be next? 14:17:58 ...you spoke of discount codes before 14:18:00 alyver: Still discount codes 14:18:52 ...we can demo what we've done to work around lack of discount codes 14:20:12 IJ: AdrianHB ILP? 14:20:18 adrianhb: Yes, I plan to write a proposal 14:20:45 https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/FTF-Nov2017 14:21:18 AdrianHB: How would we express things as in scope in new charter? 14:22:19 present+ Wonsku 14:22:22 present+ Wonsuk 14:22:26 present- Wonsku 14:23:26 IJ: Can we do a demo of web-based payment apps? 14:25:13 Topic: Merchant Adoption 14:27:24 Topic: Payment Handler API 14:27:42 Capability matching 14:28:47 https://github.com/w3c/payment-handler/issues/157 14:28:58 https://github.com/w3c/payment-handler/pull/170 14:29:42 [IJ reviews history of this] 14:30:05 Rouslan: We are experimenting with canMakePayment...we've come up with a compromise in discussions with Mozilla 14:30:09 ...the compromise is this: 14:30:20 - if the merchant requests a W3C-standard payment method (basic card or others) 14:30:25 ...then the browser does the capability matching 14:30:58 ...this means that transaction information is not shared with arbitrary service workers. 14:31:22 - for URL-based payment methods, we believe it will be best to do a canMakePayment() event unless the user's browser is in incognito mode 14:31:31 ...canMakePayment() responds true in that case 14:32:27 ...we think the concern goes down for proprietary payment methods 14:32:47 ...edge case => payment handler handles both open and proprietary payment methods 14:33:11 ...in this case we plan to adopt the browser-based matching but only on the open standard 14:34:21 ...final issue we need to address: some merchants will be malicious and use this pipe to communicate to some other malicious service worker. 14:34:29 ...I think that private browsing mode is the right solution. 14:34:46 q? 14:35:46 Rouslan: We also have the safe browsing database that is shared among browsers 14:36:04 ...we provide guidance to users when they visit those sites 14:36:24 ...I believe the database should take into account abuse of the API 14:37:22 IJ: Maybe at the end of CR we document in our FAQ any security measures browsers are using 14:37:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 14:39:43 IJ: Next step? 14:39:49 Rouslan: Next step for me is to write up a new pull request 14:40:01 ..I could update the patch to do what I've described 14:41:30 Topic: This meeting time 14:41:44 Ian: Marcos has requested we adjust this time to accommodate Melbourne time zone 14:41:49 ACTION: Chairs to discuss meeting time 14:41:50 Error finding 'Chairs'. You can review and register nicknames at . 14:42:22 IJ: hard problem 14:43:33 RRSAGENT, make minutes 14:43:33 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 14:43:51 Topic: PR API 14:44:11 IJ: When do editors next meet? 14:44:14 Molly: Next weds 14:44:33 - Todo list from marcos => https://github.com/w3c/payment-method-basic-card/issues/43 14:44:52 - Basic Card to Note => https://github.com/w3c/payment-method-basic-card/issues/43 14:45:09 IJ: What can the WG do to help? 14:45:23 Molly: I will do by email or on the call next week 14:46:11 Topic: TPAC 14:46:14 Ian: 40 for WPWG 14:46:17 ...so far 14:47:03 RRSAGENT, make minutes 14:47:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 14:47:06 RRSAGENT, set logs public 14:47:10 Topic: Next call 14:47:35 5 October 14:47:44 RRSAGENT, set logs public 14:47:58 Topic: Automotive Web Payments Task Force 14:48:08 https://github.com/w3c/automotive-pay/wiki 14:48:56 IJ: Contact me if interested! 14:49:20 RRSAGENT, make minutes 14:49:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-wpwg-minutes.html Ian 14:49:26 RRSAGENT, set logs public 16:17:20 adamR_ has joined #wpwg 16:25:15 AdrianHB has joined #wpwg 16:36:01 Zakim has left #wpwg