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14:57:05 <addison> zakim, bye
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14:57:19 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:57:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:57:25 <trackbot> Date: 28 September 2017
14:57:36 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Sep/0013.html
14:57:39 <addison> Regrets: Steven
14:57:45 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:57:48 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
14:58:16 <addison> Note Well: new dial-in info https://www.w3.org/2017/09/i18n-meeting-info.html
14:58:28 <addison> agenda+ Agenda
14:58:32 <addison> agenda+ Action Items
14:58:36 <addison> agenda+ Info Share
14:58:40 <addison> agenda+ Radar
14:58:52 <addison> agenda+ Review Pending and Close issues (continued)
14:59:00 <addison> agenda+ accesskey in HTML
14:59:05 <r12a> Previous meeting minutes: https://www.w3.org/2017/09/21-i18n-minutes.html
14:59:10 <addison> agenda+ UTR 53 Unicode Arabic Mark Ordering Algorithm
14:59:20 <addison> agenda+ String-Metadata
14:59:28 <addison> agenda?
14:59:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:59:57 <r12a> agenda+ Websub content negotiation
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15:10:24 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:10:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
15:10:26 <addison> agenda?
15:10:29 <Bert> present+
15:10:38 <r12a> present+
15:10:42 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:10:42 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
15:10:43 <r12a> zakim,  who's here?
15:10:45 <Zakim> Present: addison, David, JcK, Bert, r12a
15:10:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see andrewc, tantek, David_, florian, David, Klensin, Najib, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, xfq, koji, fantasai, bigbluehat, Bert, trackbot
15:10:52 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:10:52 <David_> present+
15:11:28 <addison> action-618?
15:11:28 <trackbot> action-618 -- Richard Ishida to Create a short document about making direction default recommendation to be 'auto' and send to www-international@ for review -- due 2017-08-25 -- OPEN
15:11:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/618
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15:11:45 <addison> close action-618
15:11:45 <trackbot> Closed action-618.
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15:11:54 <addison> action-652?
15:11:54 <trackbot> action-652 -- Addison Phillips to Ensure that our tpac av request is filed -- due 2017-09-21 -- OPEN
15:11:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/652
15:12:15 <addison> close action-652
15:12:15 <trackbot> Closed action-652.
15:12:35 <addison> action-655?
15:12:35 <trackbot> action-655 -- Richard Ishida to Send pending issues agreed during call, and close issues agreed during call; and send out new list for discussion next week -- due 2017-09-28 -- OPEN
15:12:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/655
15:12:38 <addison> close action-655
15:12:39 <trackbot> Closed action-655.
15:13:08 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:13:08 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
15:13:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:17:32 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:17:32 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Radar" taken up [from addison]
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15:17:39 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
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15:21:32 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:23:32 <addison> agenda?
15:24:22 <addison> richard: education, possibility of developing a course in i18n, arabic in html/css
15:25:01 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:25:01 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Websub content negotiation" taken up [from r12a]
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15:25:28 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/websub/issues/124
15:26:51 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/websub/#content-negotiation
15:28:24 <addison> (discussion)
15:28:42 <addison> action: richard: notify Websub we are satisfied with 124
15:28:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-656 - Notify websub we are satisfied with 124 [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].
15:29:17 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:29:17 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Review Pending and Close issues (continued)" taken up [from addison]
15:29:35 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
15:30:11 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/387
15:32:31 <addison> action: richard: contact fantasai about issue 387 inviting summary of current status of text-emphasis-position
15:32:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-657 - Contact fantasai about issue 387 inviting summary of current status of text-emphasis-position [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].
15:32:42 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/23
15:33:16 <addison> richard: almost closeable
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15:33:38 <addison> ... spec implied one emphasis mark per character
15:33:46 <addison> ... meaning Unicode codepoint perhaps
15:33:53 <addison> ... spec updated to mean text unit
15:34:11 <addison> ... which is tailored grapheme cluster
15:34:31 <addison> no object to original comment
15:34:35 <addison> richard: just close?
15:34:43 <addison> close
15:34:53 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/389
15:35:25 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/jlreq/issues/9
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15:37:07 <addison> addison: emphasis marks too?
15:37:27 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/388
15:38:12 <addison> add 388 to the action item
15:38:43 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/385
15:39:22 <addison> in vertical ja, marks/underline on right, in zh, on left
15:39:34 <addison> ... what happens when ja embedded in zh or vice versa
15:40:36 <addison> richard: also question about whether Korean uses emphasis marks, raised a question
15:40:50 <addison> ... seen in horizontal text
15:40:57 <addison> ... raised question
15:40:59 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/395
15:43:07 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1288
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15:49:37 <r12a> JcK: this could also be an issue in Latin, eg. what happens in 'gij' ?
15:50:19 <r12a> andrew: you need to ensure that it doesn't clash with latin characters with dot below or macron below
15:51:41 <r12a> ACTION: Richard to look for latin text with dot or macron below that could cause problems for underline
15:51:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-658 - Look for latin text with dot or macron below that could cause problems for underline [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].
15:52:16 <r12a> ACTION: Richard de-pend all the css-text-decor issues
15:52:22 <addison> agenda?
15:52:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-659 - De-pend all the css-text-decor issues [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-05].
15:52:31 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:52:31 <Zakim> agendum 7. "UTR 53 Unicode Arabic Mark Ordering Algorithm" taken up [from addison]
15:52:41 <addison> http://www.unicode.org/review/pri359/
15:52:49 <addison> http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr53/tr53-1.pdf
15:53:12 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Autr53
15:54:13 <addison> richard: if you look at page 7
15:54:21 <addison> ... example 2a and 2b
15:55:02 <addison> ... sukun under seen
15:55:25 <addison> ... problem is to get order to stay same
15:55:34 <addison> ... if normalized, you get 2b (always)
15:56:18 <addison> ... messed up original numbering for normalization
15:56:21 <addison> ... trying to address
15:56:38 <addison> ... means is an additional bit of normalization just for arabic
15:56:49 <addison> ... but could spread to other scripts
15:56:58 <addison> ... re-orders things that are borken
15:57:27 <addison> ... in order to place in either order, you should use a CGJ
15:57:34 <addison> ... and that stops behavior of algorithm
15:57:43 <addison> ... problem with that for me
15:57:55 <addison> ... as soon as you run NFC/NFD on this, you will break one
15:58:10 <addison> ... then reapply arabic only algorithm
15:58:36 <addison> addison: don't want to change the normalization itself?
15:58:51 <addison> richard: stability says can't change
15:59:38 <addison> ... big worry is go back to all specs that deal with normalization
16:00:16 <addison> addison: a new normalization form :-(
16:00:42 <addison> richard: add rules to normalization, additional decision point since only arabic
16:01:29 <addison> andrewc: myanmar script, order of code points different from normalization
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16:10:17 <addison> richard: have a look at what I wrote
16:11:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:11:31 <addison> zakim, who is here?
16:11:31 <Zakim> Present: addison, David, JcK, Bert, r12a, David_
16:11:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see andrewc, David, Klensin, Najib, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, xfq, koji, fantasai, bigbluehat, Bert, trackbot
16:11:37 <addison> present+ andrewc
16:11:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html addison
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16:12:01 <addison> zakim, bye
16:12:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been addison, David, JcK, Bert, r12a, David_, andrewc
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16:23:33 <r12a-limechat> s/meeting number not valid or not started?//
16:23:55 <r12a-limechat> s/<David_> Login to w3c web site//
16:25:19 <r12a-limechat> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:25:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-i18n-minutes.html r12a-limechat
16:26:57 <r12a-limechat> s/... and that stops behavior of algorithm//
16:27:07 <r12a-limechat> s/ ... problem with that for me//
16:27:09 <r12a-limechat> rrsagent, draft minutes
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