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11:55:08 <kaz> rrsagent, bye
11:55:08 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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12:02:16 <dsr> present+
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12:04:08 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Uday_Davuluru, Zoltan_Kis
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12:05:38 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda
12:06:22 <kaz> regrets: Sebastian_Kaebisch
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12:08:12 <kaz> present+ Niklas_Widell, Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:08:17 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
12:08:17 <Zakim> Present: dsr, Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Uday_Davuluru, Zoltan_Kis, Niklas_Widell, Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:08:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see ohura, dape, Karen, Mizushima, nwidell, uday, mjkoster_, dsr, ryuichi, McCool, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz-win, zkis, kaz, mjkoster, thor, misalias_, jet, benfrancis, ms7821,
12:08:20 <Zakim> ... natasha, trackbot
12:08:35 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:08:35 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:08:58 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:08:58 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose dsr
12:09:08 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:09:08 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Michael_McCool
12:09:10 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:09:11 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Michael_McCool
12:09:12 <kaz> zakim, pick a scribe
12:09:13 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Uday_Davuluru
12:09:24 <kaz> scribenick: uday
12:09:34 <kaz> present+ Kazuaki_Nimura
12:09:41 <uday> Topic: Agenda bashing
12:09:44 <kaz> present+ Darko_Anicic
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12:09:48 <kaz> present+ Barry_Leiba
12:09:49 <DarkoAnicic> present+ DarkoAnicic
12:09:57 <uday> MM: Quick updates
12:10:08 <uday> Topic: Node WoT status
12:10:22 <uday> kaz gives update
12:10:37 <uday> MIT vs W3C licensing
12:10:44 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:10:48 <uday> MM: IoT security workshop
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12:11:11 <kaz> s/licensing/licensing. will wrap up the discussion shortly
12:11:49 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/2017/Talks/0608-ash-nazg-ka/
12:11:54 <uday> Kaz: editor training on W3C repo manager
12:11:57 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/21-rm-minutes.html
12:12:05 <kaz> http://media.w3.org/2017/09/repository-manager-training-20170921.mp4
12:12:42 <uday> Kaz: can hold another training for editors
12:13:15 <uday> discusses publication schedule
12:13:38 <kaz> s/discusses/also would like to discuss/
12:13:40 <uday> MM: propose to have an editors meeting next week and discuss
12:13:45 <kaz> s/schedule/schedule with the Editors/
12:14:05 <uday> summary of things to accomplish
12:14:48 <kaz> i/Quick/topic: Quick updates/
12:15:00 <uday> MM: TPAC logistics
12:15:20 <uday> registration deadline-oct 6th
12:15:24 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2017/ tpac registration
12:15:40 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTPlugFest201711/ PlugFest registration
12:16:06 <uday> MM: other groups to meet?
12:16:22 <kaz> [WG/IG participants, please get registered with the above registration sites asap!!!]
12:16:27 <uday> Web security, web payment, automotive, etc.
12:17:15 <uday> Kaz: will create a section on wiki page for joint meeting
12:17:44 <uday> MM: payment group reached out for a joint meeting
12:17:55 <uday> MM: to setup a join meeting on Thursday
12:18:26 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_4-10_November_2017,_Burlingame,_CA,_USA#Plenary_and_Breakouts input section for joint meetings
12:19:39 <uday> MM: updates on plugfest?
12:19:49 <kaz> topic: PlugFest updates
12:20:18 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2017Sep/att-0017/update_Issues_for_TPAC_plugfest_170927a.pdf Matsukura-san's slides
12:20:25 <uday> Matsukura-San: presents updated plugfest slides
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12:21:06 <kaz> present+ Taki_Kamiya
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12:21:29 <kaz> regrets+ Matthias_Kovatsch, Kazuo_Kajimoto
12:21:33 <uday> proxy servient concept introduced
12:21:35 <kaz> Chair: McCool, Yongjing
12:22:11 <uday> Slide 3: Integration model updated
12:22:43 <kaz> q+
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12:23:35 <McCool> q+
12:24:23 <McCool> ack mc
12:24:57 <kaz> mm: would like to think about face recognition kind of service as an application. is that online with your image?
12:24:59 <kaz> matsu: yes
12:25:14 <kaz> ack k
12:26:06 <uday> Kaz: remote proxy manages multiple applications and local proxy servient manages multiple devices?
12:26:16 <uday> matsu: yes
12:26:49 <kaz> kaz: so it would be clearer to have those two proxy servients separately
12:26:51 <kaz> matsu: right
12:27:16 <kaz> s/multiple applications/multiple applications, e.g., face recognition and speech recognition/
12:27:37 <kaz> s/multiple devices/multiple devices, e.g., air conditioner and sensors/
12:27:42 <mjkoster_> q?
12:28:23 <kaz> uday: why there is an application servient on the local side?
12:28:28 <uday> uday: do we have application servient local or in cloud?
12:28:34 <mjkoster_> q+
12:28:43 <uday> MM: for local fog applications
12:28:44 <kaz> mm: like fog application, we could have a local application
12:29:07 <kaz> q?
12:29:56 <uday> Matsu: demo scenario discussed
12:29:59 <McCool> interrupt speaker if necessary...
12:30:07 <kaz> q?
12:30:13 <kaz> ack mjkoster_
12:31:29 <uday> MK: local proxy for different protocols will be active in real scenario, but when we consume a device, what PB does the application see?
12:32:06 <uday> made a diagram and would like to review this in the next TD meeting on friday
12:32:13 <McCool> q+
12:33:06 <uday> How much of translation is done in the proxy?
12:33:24 <uday> q`?
12:33:27 <uday> q?
12:33:31 <kaz> q?
12:33:36 <kaz> ack mc
12:33:38 <kaz> q+
12:34:05 <uday> MM: proxy is too general, can have protocol translators, privacy proxies etc
12:34:28 <uday> for PB translation proxies are relevant
12:35:01 <uday> MK: yes proxy include a lot of caching etc
12:35:04 <McCool> q?
12:35:06 <uday> q?
12:35:36 <uday> Kaz: agree, we should clarify expected functionality of each servient
12:35:36 <McCool> q?
12:36:12 <uday> MM: what is discovery setup?
12:36:27 <uday> MK: where are the directories
12:37:49 <uday> Matsu: variety of implementations possible, device servient can connect to legacy device
12:38:14 <uday> MM: where will we have the registration service?
12:38:42 <uday> Dape: there will be directory from Victor
12:38:52 <uday> in the past hosted locally
12:40:19 <uday> Kaz: dedicated plugfest call?
12:40:38 <kaz> uday_mccool: makes sense
12:40:45 <McCool> kaz, will you do a doodle for a plugfest org call, then?
12:41:08 <kaz> action: kaz to generate a doodle for a PlugFest organization call
12:41:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-118 - Generate a doodle for a plugfest organization call [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2017-10-04].
12:42:02 <uday> Matsu: we have to clarify PB with proxy
12:42:21 <dsr> q+
12:42:27 <kaz> ack k
12:42:27 <uday> MK: can continue in next session
12:42:35 <kaz> ack d
12:43:28 <uday> Dave: have considered having binding with IoT device, thing is created behind the device
12:43:56 <uday> MM: TF reports
12:44:06 <uday> Topic: TF reports
12:44:06 <kaz> i/TF reports/topic: TF Reports/
12:44:28 <kaz> s/topic: TF Reports//
12:44:48 <uday> Zoltan: Scripting API update
12:45:00 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/25-wot-minutes.html Scripting minutes (Member-only)
12:45:04 <uday> PR changes
12:45:10 <dsr> The app that exposes a thing on a servient can just use the platform networking modules to talk to IoT devices, there is no need for special binding templates. In my case, the servient then publishes the thing description via HTTP and supports web sockets for messaging.
12:45:22 <uday> thanks Dave
12:45:48 <kaz> [Dave's comment will be moved later]
12:45:56 <kaz> s/later/later@@/
12:46:08 <uday> MK: PB TF update
12:46:18 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/26-wot-minutes.html Binding minutes (Member-only)
12:46:25 <uday> combining input and output data elements
12:46:49 <uday> designs activities for events and proxy servients
12:47:19 <uday> Bindings for Echonet, Zigbee etc
12:47:40 <uday> FPWD to be done
12:47:49 <uday> MM: need a doc for TPAC
12:48:43 <uday> MM: internal editor's draft before TPAC
12:48:59 <uday> MM: Security TF update
12:49:19 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/25-wot-sec-minutes.html Security minutes
12:49:57 <uday> q?
12:50:52 <uday> MM: need to discuss publication targets
12:51:45 <uday> MM: additional topics?
12:51:56 <uday> Darko: TD TF update
12:52:32 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/09/15-wot-td-minutes.html TD minutes
12:53:02 <uday> TD FPWD feedback to be reviewed
12:53:08 <uday> TD events discussed
12:53:26 <kaz> s/15/22/
12:53:42 <uday> Kaz presented approaches from Automotive WG
12:53:59 <uday> MK working on MQTT and CoAP observe proposal
12:54:04 <kaz> s/TD minutes/TD minutes (Member-only)/
12:54:22 <kaz> Yamada-san on WebSocket interface
12:54:31 <uday> MM: anyone working on current practices doc?
12:55:21 <uday> Dape: current practices to be a doc with links to other specs
12:55:48 <uday> MM: next week agenda update
12:56:05 <zkis> q?
12:58:34 <mjkoster_> darko: woul dlike to get TDs from plugfest participants to create the necessary iotschema capabilities
12:58:47 <uday> thanks Michael
12:58:51 <mjkoster_> s/wou dlike/would like
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12:59:17 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:59:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:59:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:02:15 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:02:16 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:03:21 <kaz> Meeting: WoT IG/WG
13:03:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:03:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/27-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:05:20 <kaz> rrsagent, bye
13:05:20 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/27-wot-actions.rdf :
13:05:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kaz to generate a doodle for a PlugFest organization call [1]
13:05:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/27-wot-irc#T12-41-08