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15:45:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:45:46 <trackbot> Date: 27 September 2017
15:45:58 <janina> agenda?
15:46:02 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:46:02 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2017 Planning
15:46:02 <janina> agenda+ Push/Notification Special Call Scheduled
15:46:02 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:46:03 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:46:04 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:46:07 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:46:09 <janina> agenda+ be done
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15:59:41 <janina>  /me Coming up ...
16:01:02 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:07:19 <tink> present+ Léonie
16:08:27 <MichaelC> present+
16:08:40 <janina> present+
16:09:25 <tink> scribe: Léonie
16:09:45 <tink> zakim, take up item 1
16:09:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:10:24 <tink> JS: Any additions to the agenda?
16:10:36 <tink> ... Hearing none. Any news?
16:10:53 <tink> zakim, close item 1
16:10:53 <Zakim> agendum 1, preview agenda with items from two minutes, closed
16:10:54 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:10:54 <Zakim> 2. TPAC 2017 Planning [from janina]
16:10:57 <tink> zakim, take up item 2
16:10:57 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 Planning" taken up [from janina]
16:11:05 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
16:11:15 <tink> MC: Please register.
16:11:25 <tink> ... You must register if you attend in person.
16:11:36 <tink> ... Early registration rate closes next week.
16:11:47 <tink> ... Hotel reservations are already difficult to come by.
16:12:35 <tink> JS: Going over the notes on our TPAC page.
16:13:21 <tink> ... I presume CSS will look kindly on our request to meet.
16:13:43 <tink> ... Also presume we'll need to prep ahead of that meeting.
16:14:15 <tink> ... Want to make sure anything we present is done efficiently.
16:14:32 <tink> ... Terse summaries to maximise our time with the CSS WG.
16:15:10 <tink> ... Co-ordination with ARIA and WebPlat on Input Events.
16:16:23 <tink> ... Also the discussion about AOM.
16:16:31 <tink> JMD: Suggest different topics.
16:18:27 <tink> LW: The Editing TF meets on Tuesday, and Web Components on Friday.
16:19:07 <tink> ... Meeting planned with ARIA for 11am on Friday already.
16:19:47 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/WebPlatformWG/issues/93
16:20:11 <tink> LW: Please post a comment to request time on that agenda.
16:20:48 <tink> ... Our three agendas are found on the WebPlat repo as #93, #94, and #95.
16:20:57 <tink> JS: Tuesday is ok for Input Events for APA.
16:21:25 <tink> ... The RQTF has been working away.
16:21:39 <tink> ... We sent questions to Web Auth. We haven't received answers though.
16:21:51 <tink> ... We hope to meet with them at TPAC to discuss.
16:22:35 <tink> ... If ARIA has items to discuss with Web Auth we could join up.
16:22:51 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
16:22:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/27-apa-minutes.html tink
16:24:21 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Sep/0003.html
16:25:33 <tink> JMD: We're looking for a joint meting slot?
16:25:44 <tink> JS: Yes, at a time that suits people dialling in from Western Australia.
16:25:53 <tink> JMD: Need to give this some thought.
16:27:38 <tink> ... We also have the joint TFs to consider.
16:28:17 <tink> ... When you know the time of the RQTF/Web Auth meeting, let me know and we'll attend if we can.
16:28:19 <tink> JS: Ok.
16:28:26 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
16:28:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/27-apa-minutes.html tink
16:29:40 <tink> ... Will be looking at version 2 of the Turing paper.
16:29:53 <tink> ... The RQTF has been looking at this.
16:36:59 <tink> ... RQTF is also looking at WebVR.
16:37:12 <tink> ... The WebVR WG will not meet at TPAC though.
16:37:24 <tink> ... The RQTF is putting together some questions.
16:37:54 <tink> ... We will invite any WebVR people at TPAC to attend our meeting if they wish.
16:38:53 <tink> ... WebVR meets in December in Brussels.
16:39:21 <tink> ... Would be good to send someone from APA/RQTF if possible.
16:39:26 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
16:39:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/27-apa-minutes.html tink
16:39:45 <tink> ... We should have a Coga TF check in.
16:40:09 <tink> ... Is there too much happening in AG WG to make a joint meeting possible?
16:40:22 <tink> MC: We might as well try.
16:41:38 <tink> ... There will be discussion about new SCs, so representation from the various AG WG TFs seems likely.
16:42:46 <tink> JS: Web Payments.
16:42:57 <tink> ... Not sure what to do with this, but think we need to do something.
16:43:06 <tink> ... Will continue to try and get hold of Katie.
16:43:30 <tink> MC: Katie is active on some things now.
16:43:57 <tink> ... One of their specs went to CR last week.
16:44:08 <tink> ... There is clearly work happening, and happening without us.
16:44:50 <tink> LW: Has Shane been active in Web Payments?
16:45:09 <tink> JMD: I know Shane is very busy ATM.
16:46:08 <tink> LW: If he's active there it means we have accessibility knowledge at source.
16:46:35 <tink> JS: The rest of my topics for TPAC focus on procedural areas.
16:47:00 <tink> ... It'll be six months since we released the self-assessment tool.
16:47:13 <tink> ... Don't think anyone has completed it yet.
16:47:24 <tink> ... Should we make it mandatory?
16:47:30 <tink> MC: Don't think it's ready for that.
16:47:54 <tink> ... We could make it easier for people to complete.
16:48:17 <tink> ... Presented it to team to get input.
16:48:26 <tink> ... Had some limited input.
16:49:07 <tink> ... We could also use it ourselves when we spec review.
16:49:52 <tink> LW: Could I suggest asking people to complete it when they request wide review?
16:50:09 <tink> ... APA is also good at starting reviews before a direct request comes through.
16:50:18 <tink> ... So visibility of the form may not be good across chairs.
16:50:32 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
16:50:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/27-apa-minutes.html tink
16:51:13 <tink> JS: Accessibility impact statements in specs.
16:51:29 <tink> ... We've received push back, feeling like second class citizens compared to security and privacy.
16:51:55 <tink> MC: We would do a walkthrough of specs that might benefit from it.
16:52:29 <tink> ... It seems that now even when there are no security/privacy concerns, those sections are still present in the specs.
16:52:53 <tink> ... Pushback has often been that the sections should not just point to another spec like WCAG.
16:53:05 <tink> ... So if that isn't what's included, what should be?
16:53:21 <tink> ... If we can figure that out it might help.
16:53:30 <tink> JS: Maybe point to specific SCs?
16:53:47 <tink> MC: Problem is that specs are not often/always related to web content.
16:54:47 <tink> LW: Is it worth drawing a sample of security/privacy sections in specs, in case we can learn something from the kind of information they include?
16:54:52 <tink> JS: I can do that.
16:55:15 <tink> ACTION: Janina to review a sample of specifications to analyse their security and privacy sections.
16:55:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2150 - Review a sample of specifications to analyse their security and privacy sections. [on Janina Sajka - due 2017-10-04].
16:55:58 <tink> ... There is APIs with no descriptions.
16:56:08 <tink> ... Also Notes that go out without time for comments.
16:56:31 <tink> MC: We've discussed this within the team.
16:56:51 <tink> ... I'm not sure what APA can do in relation to either of these items though.
16:57:25 <tink> LW: Is there anything that could be done within the Process about the Notes?
16:57:42 <tink> MC: My analysis is that the Process allows Notes to go out without drafts.
16:57:53 <tink> ... Suspect it'd be unlikely we'd be able to change the Process.
16:58:02 <tink> ... Maybe best practices instead.
16:58:07 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
16:58:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/27-apa-minutes.html tink
16:58:29 <tink> JS: Perhaps someting to discuss with Judy, or the AB?
16:58:46 <tink> MC: Or the TPAC Wednesday break out sessions?
16:59:27 <tink> LW: Worth reaching out to the other horizontal review WGs?
16:59:34 <tink> MC: Not sure.
17:00:05 <MichaelC> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Jun/0003.html
17:00:12 <tink> zakim, close item 2
17:00:12 <Zakim> agendum 2, TPAC 2017 Planning, closed
17:00:13 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:00:13 <Zakim> 3. Push/Notification Special Call Scheduled [from janina]
17:00:17 <tink> zakim, take up item 3
17:00:17 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Push/Notification Special Call Scheduled" taken up [from janina]
17:00:41 <tink> JS: Anne and someone else from WWG will attend a telecon.
17:01:49 <tink> LW: I might have a conflict for that meeting now. Will check.
17:02:14 <tink> zakim, close item 3
17:02:14 <Zakim> agendum 3, Push/Notification Special Call Scheduled, closed
17:02:15 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:02:15 <Zakim> 4. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]
17:02:18 <tink> zakim, take up item 4
17:02:18 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
17:02:26 <tink> zakim, close item 4
17:02:26 <Zakim> agendum 4, Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8, closed
17:02:28 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:02:28 <Zakim> 5. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
17:02:32 <tink> zakim, take up item 5
17:02:32 <Zakim> agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
17:02:48 <tink> MC: Permissions is a new security spec.
17:02:58 <tink> JS: Want to look at that, but can think about it next week.
17:03:10 <tink> MC: Nothing that can't ait a week.
17:03:30 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
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17:04:06 <tink> chair: Janina
17:04:19 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
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