14:00:03 RRSAgent has joined #tt 14:00:03 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/09/21-tt-irc 14:00:05 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:00:05 Zakim has joined #tt 14:00:07 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 14:00:07 Date: 21 September 2017 14:00:12 Present: Nigel 14:00:14 Chair: Nigel 14:00:16 Regrets: Pierre 14:00:20 scribe: nigel 14:00:37 zakim, who is on the phone? 14:00:38 Present: Nigel 14:01:15 Present+ Cyril 14:01:22 zakim, who is on the phone? 14:01:22 Present: Nigel, Cyril 14:02:07 Present+ Thierry 14:04:29 Present+ Andreas 14:04:53 Topic: This meeting 14:05:18 Nigel: Today, we can cover any additional thoughts re TPAC, TTML2 HR (not sure how much 14:05:45 .. there is to discuss there), and I'm not sure what else. One AOB from me: 14:06:02 .. To remind everyone to associate their GitHub accounts with their W3C accounts so that 14:06:09 .. IPR can be tracked. 14:06:20 atai has joined #tt 14:06:21 -> https://www.w3.org/users/myprofile/connectedaccounts Tool for connecting W3C account to GitHub account 14:06:35 Nigel: Please could everyone make sure they have done this. 14:07:14 .. Any other topics to cover today, or any other business? 14:07:57 Thierry: I had another reminder about TPAC registration. 14:08:51 Topic: TPAC Advanced planning 14:09:21 Thierry: Please if you intend to come to TPAC register as soon as possible; also it is difficult 14:09:33 .. to find hotels so if you are having difficulties let me know. We are 6 weeks from TPAC, 14:09:52 .. so the registration price will go up in ~2 weeks. I will send a reminder call email too. 14:10:13 Andreas: Question re hotel location. I assume that some may not stay in the hotel, and go 14:10:25 .. to it using public transportation or a car. Do you know if there is an additional parking 14:10:37 .. fee at the hotel, and how much it is? 14:10:49 Thierry: I don't know, but I'll check after the call and let you know. 14:10:53 Andreas: Thank you. 14:12:38 Action-504? 14:12:38 Action-504 -- Nigel Megitt to Send csswg an invitation reminder by 2017-09-07 -- due 2017-09-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW 14:12:38 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/504 14:12:52 Nigel: I've sent the reminder, and it's logged on the action in tracker. 14:12:56 close action-504 14:12:56 Closed action-504. 14:13:09 Nigel: I still have had no responses from any CSS WG members though! 14:13:33 Nigel: Are there any suggestions for the agenda for us? 14:13:49 group: no suggestions right now. 14:14:04 Nigel: Logistics-wise, please let me know if you need remote dial-in - I have to request 14:14:15 .. this in the next few weeks. 14:14:37 Nigel: I have completed the AV WBS for TPAC and currently have not asked for a Polycom phone. 14:15:05 s/TPAC/TPAC for TTWG 14:15:19 Nigel: If necessary I can update my responses. 14:15:44 Topic: TTML2 Horizontal Review 14:15:50 action-506? 14:15:50 action-506 -- Thierry Michel to Draft a wiki page explaining our review and disposition steps and labels -- due 2017-09-21 -- OPEN 14:15:50 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/506 14:16:12 Nigel: I think Thierry had the action from last week to link the wiki page to the GitHub repo labels? 14:16:36 Thierry: That's not how I understood my action - I thought the action was to go through 14:16:50 .. the comments and assign an appropriate label. I thought we had agreed on the labels 14:16:56 .. I proposed in the wiki. 14:17:03 Nigel: I didn't think there were any proposals. 14:17:07 Thierry: Yes, I did! 14:17:26 .. I have gone through all the comments and assigned a label. I sent an email just before this 14:17:45 .. call. I have a few outstanding ones. If we agree with those labels then I will add them on 14:17:47 .. GitHub. 14:17:52 Nigel: Okay, thank you! 14:18:46 Thierry: On the wiki page the proposed label is in the brackets. 14:18:49 -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/TTML2_Wide_Review 14:18:58 Nigel: Oh that's what they are - I hadn't realised! 14:19:37 Thierry: There are lots of comments that are still pending and need further discussion. 14:19:53 .. We can maybe discuss them next week or the week after, when the review period has closed. 14:20:12 Nigel: Have you created the labels in the ttml2 repo? 14:20:32 Thierry: No not yet. If we are satisfied with the labels then I will add them into GitHub. 14:20:55 .. I think we should have a prefix for each label like WR for Wide Review, which will ease filtering later. 14:21:23 Nigel: Sounds reasonable to me. 14:21:32 Thierry: At least we know then those labels are assigned for the Wide Review. 14:22:00 Nigel: So there's an action on everyone to look at the email you sent and check that the 14:22:05 .. proposed labels are correct? 14:22:20 Thierry: Yes, and I will finalise the remaining incomplete ones maybe today. 14:22:35 Cyril: Do you have an example of a GitHub issue to which you added a label? 14:23:08 Thierry: No, sorry, I was not clear enough. I have only done added the labels on the email, 14:23:19 .. but not added the labels on the GitHub Issues yet. I will do that when we have agreed on 14:23:21 .. the labels. 14:23:37 Cyril: OK, got it, thank you! I hadn't seen the email. 14:24:35 .. On the wiki, there are several that are "resolved" but on the email the first one is "resolved". 14:24:37 .. Which one is it? 14:24:55 .. I think that we should have different labels for 1.3 and 1.4 because they both include "resolved". 14:25:08 .. For example call 1.4 "Spec Updated". 14:25:23 .. And disambiguate 1.5 and 1.6. 14:25:40 .. Each issue can have both a processing by group label and a commenter status label? 14:25:49 Thierry: Yes. Good idea to fix the labels, I will do that. 14:26:33 Cyril: I'm editing the wiki page just so they are clear. 14:26:37 Thierry: Thank you. 14:27:21 Cyril: Does "spec update" mean an update has been made or one is required? 14:27:27 Thierry: It means "updated". 14:27:35 Cyril: I'll change it to "updated" then. 14:27:57 .. And you want the commenter labels to be prefixed WR too? 14:28:04 Thierry: Yes, thank you Cyril. 14:28:31 Cyril: I will update the wiki page. 14:28:39 Thierry: Then I will update the email and send it. 14:28:53 Nigel: Thank you - I will take the lead on checking the email's proposed labels. 14:30:10 Cyril: I've made the changes. 14:30:29 Thierry: "Partial" approval is WG approval of part of the commenter's proposal. That needs to be clear. 14:30:35 Nigel: Ah thank you that wasn't clear to me. 14:31:28 Nigel: Thanks, that's great. Is action-506 done? 14:31:37 Thierry: Leave it open until next week when we can finalise everything. 14:31:42 Nigel: Ok will do. 14:32:22 Topic: TTML2 CSS equivalent properties 14:32:24 github: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/406 14:32:52 Nigel: Since last week I have completed the set of sub-issues with proposed mappings that 14:33:15 .. are CSS-based alternatives to the current XSL-FO semantics. I'd still really appreciate a 14:33:31 .. review of all of those if anyone is able to check them before I complete the work to put 14:33:56 .. them in a pull request. Obviously the pull request is another opportunity for review, but 14:34:03 .. it's quicker to make fixes earlier. 14:35:02 .. For example with text-decoration, I found that XSL 1.1 makes an addition to the CSS 14:35:14 .. semantic that I cannot see anywhere in CSS: it sets the position of underline based on 14:35:18 .. the language. 14:35:45 Cyril: A quick question on this issue in general - it is not going to change the TTML2 14:35:48 .. publication timeline? 14:35:51 Nigel: I don't see why it should. 14:35:56 Cyril: It's an annex only? 14:36:02 Nigel: Yes, and also it is informative. 14:37:48 Cyril: I was wondering how we proceed with the CSS changes and CSS WG without adding 14:37:55 .. delay to the TTML2 publication timeline. 14:38:00 s/e./e? 14:38:20 Nigel: I think it's in our domain to approve the equivalent semantic mapping for XSL semantics 14:38:27 .. that are in CSS, so we are in control of the timeline there. 14:38:42 .. For new semantics that we're requesting in CSS but that are not available now, I think we 14:38:54 .. can probably go ahead without them in TTML2 and at a later stage issue an update 14:39:08 .. incorporating new CSS semantics when they are referenceable. 14:39:14 .. At least that would be my first proposal. 14:39:25 Cyril: I'm happy with that. 14:39:42 Thierry: Fine with me. 14:39:47 Andreas: Me too. 14:40:57 Topic: WebVTT review feedback 14:41:09 Thierry: The WebVTT wide review ends tomorrow, on the 22nd, and I've invited David to 14:41:23 .. join our next telecon - he replied that he may have an AB meeting and he will let us know. 14:41:46 .. I see also that Andreas has sent some wide review comments today - 6 comments. 14:42:03 Andreas: Yes, I wasn't exactly sure about the process because in the WR process email you 14:42:16 .. said comments should be sent to the reflector. In my case it was easiest to open the issues 14:42:24 .. on GitHub and then send an email listing them. Is that ok? 14:42:29 Thierry: No problem, yes, that fits. 14:42:35 s/6/8 14:45:59 Topic: Meeting close 14:46:59 Nigel: We've hit the end of our agenda, so unless there are any other points we will adjourn. 14:47:04 Thierry: Is next week's meeting 2 hours? 14:47:18 Nigel: It's marked as 2 hours - maybe a good idea if we are to discuss WebVTT also. 14:47:34 Thierry: I will remind David, and also ask if it would help to make the WebVTT a timed 14:47:37 .. agenda item. 14:47:56 .. I think Sylvia also should participate, so I'll copy her also. 14:48:30 Nigel: This time might be horrible for her if she's in Australia, so another alternative would be 14:48:43 .. to set up a specific meeting at a better time for everyone who wants to participate. 14:48:50 Thierry: Yes, I'll propose that too. 14:49:14 Nigel: I'm happy either way, for it to be part of this meeting slot or at a different time. 14:49:46 .. Thanks everyone! 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