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14:41:54 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:42:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:42:00 <trackbot> Date: 14 September 2017
14:42:11 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:42:15 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
14:42:21 <addison> Scribe: Addison Phillips
14:42:31 <addison> Regrets: Jan, Steve(?)
14:42:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:42:59 <addison> agenda?
14:43:22 <addison> zakim, delete agendum 6
14:43:22 <Zakim> agendum 6, Remote Playback API, dropped
14:58:35 <addison> present_
14:58:38 <addison> present+
14:58:52 <addison> zakim, bye
14:58:52 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Bert, addison, steve, r12a, David, andrewc, JcK
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14:59:09 <addison> invite zakim
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14:59:43 <addison> present+
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15:01:26 <Bert> present+
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15:04:07 <addison> present+ andrewc
15:04:13 <addison> present+ JcK
15:04:23 <David> Zakim, present+
15:04:38 <addison> agenda?
15:04:46 <Klensin> present+ JcK
15:05:06 <addison> [07:42] * Zakim 1. Agenda [from addison] [07:42] * Zakim 2. Action Items [from addison] [07:42] * Zakim 3. Info Share [from addison] [07:42] * Zakim 4. Radar and Active Work Review [from addison] [07:42] * Zakim 5. Review pending and close items [from addison] [07:43] * Zakim 6. Remote Playback API [from addison] [07:43] * Zakim 7. String-Meta [from addison] [07:43] <addison> zakim, delete agendum 6
15:05:23 <addison> Topic: Agenda
15:05:33 <addison> Topic: Action Items
15:05:39 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:06:16 <addison> action-636?
15:06:16 <trackbot> action-636 -- Addison Phillips to Update floating times q+a to address confusing section at end -- due 2017-07-20 -- OPEN
15:06:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/636
15:06:21 <addison> close action-636
15:06:21 <trackbot> Closed action-636.
15:06:34 <addison> action-650?
15:06:35 <trackbot> action-650 -- Addison Phillips to Write to remote playback and indicate that we are satisfied and our review is in fact complete -- due 2017-09-14 -- OPEN
15:06:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/650
15:06:38 <addison> close action-650
15:06:38 <trackbot> Closed action-650.
15:06:50 <addison> action-651?
15:06:50 <trackbot> action-651 -- Richard Ishida to Shorten the list of pending/closed items and reissue for next telecon discussion -- due 2017-09-14 -- OPEN
15:06:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/651
15:06:53 <addison> close action-651
15:06:53 <trackbot> Closed action-651.
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15:07:03 <addison> Topic: Info Share
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15:07:36 <addison> addison: to be in Amman, Jordan
15:07:52 <addison> richard: just written outline for a course for the w3c edx program
15:08:06 <addison> ... something like "writing html in arabic/for arabic users"
15:08:41 <r12a> TPAC AV https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2017JulSep/0149.html
15:09:21 <addison> action: addison: ensure that our TPAC AV request is filed
15:09:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-652 - Ensure that our tpac av request is filed [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-09-21].
15:09:32 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/app-keyevents/
15:09:41 <addison> richard: just today uploaded a new applet
15:09:47 <addison> ... key even monitor
15:10:00 <addison> ... had one years ago, but updated to match key-events
15:10:17 <addison> ... gives info about what info key event object has stored
15:10:25 <addison> ... could be handy for key events spec
15:10:34 <addison> richard: also grappling with accesskey
15:10:38 <addison> ... just writing tests
15:10:50 <addison> ... finding diff results
15:10:57 <addison> ... things we want to mention in html spec
15:11:04 <addison> ... also reviewing wcag spec
15:11:08 <addison> ... likely some input there
15:11:18 <addison> ... and possibly ui events spec
15:11:30 <addison> ... they don' tmention what happens when key produces more than one char
15:11:42 <addison> ... shift-A produces diacritic with a base character together
15:11:57 <addison> ... in FF and Safari, they key event .key value becomes both
15:12:02 <addison> ... but chrome only the last one
15:12:05 <addison> ... needs more testing
15:12:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:12:33 <addison> jck: will miss next weeks call
15:12:47 <addison> andrew: want to talk sometime about how key event monitoring
15:13:16 <addison> richard: want more documentation?
15:13:32 <addison> andrew: trying different keyboards, typing same key
15:13:45 <addison> richard: key should give you the character that keyboard produces
15:13:58 <addison> ... and code should give you the same thing, like KEY D
15:14:19 <addison> ... and modifiers tells whether you pressed shift/alt/ctrl/meta
15:14:58 <addison> andrew: third party input frameworks don't produce anything
15:15:08 <addison> ... and mac viet keyboard
15:15:17 <addison> ... some getting dead as a result
15:15:54 <addison> ... how keyboards work across plafs will be different (e.g. viet)
15:17:10 <addison> Topic: Radar
15:17:18 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
15:17:51 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Sep/0004.html
15:17:54 <addison> request for DNT review
15:18:38 <addison> richard: a request to review WCAG 2.1
15:18:44 <addison> ... additions to previous ver
15:18:51 <addison> ... working through and raising issues
15:19:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
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15:19:19 <addison> richard: didn't put a WCAG label in radar yet
15:19:25 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Awcag
15:19:37 <addison> ... but issues at above link
15:20:11 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:20:41 <addison> richard: mention that Bert has been doing some
15:20:47 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/language-matrix.html
15:20:52 <addison> ... language matrix
15:21:00 <addison> ... scroll down you'll see Dutch
15:21:01 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/latn-nl
15:21:11 <addison> ... gap analysis of Dutch
15:21:25 <addison> ... tricky question we need to figure out answer to
15:21:34 <addison> ... for notes/footnotes/running heads/etc.
15:21:54 <addison> ... those features are not available in any browsers at the moment
15:21:59 <addison> ... how do we mark up?
15:22:37 <addison> ... color gray? doesn't indicate work there. but orange or green... really looking for i18n specific things
15:26:25 <addison> addison: diff between broken-and-unimpl vs. unimpl?
15:26:33 <addison> richard: want to know the difference
15:27:51 <addison> ... spec vs. impl issue, maybe use a different symbol
15:28:25 <addison> Topic: Issue Review
15:28:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:29:23 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2017JulSep/0101.html
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15:29:44 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/400
15:30:46 <addison> addison: I can forward it
15:30:53 <addison> ... they're not likely to do anything with it
15:31:34 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/413
15:33:12 <addison> jck: valid vs. invalid utf-8 codes, reference encoding is probably a good idea
15:34:37 <addison> forward with ref to encoding preferred
15:35:01 <addison> richard: if point to something, point to encoding?
15:35:07 <addison> jck: wfm
15:35:18 <addison>     https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/399
15:36:23 <addison> forward
15:36:34 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/385
15:37:35 <addison> richard: these are issues that have been raised sometime ago
15:37:46 <addison> ... fantasai asked me to go through for dispositino of comments
15:37:57 <addison> ... where input needed, marked as pending
15:38:11 <addison> ... discussion already there, but we haven't take initiative
15:38:30 <addison> ... need to read thread and make contributions
15:38:58 <addison> addison: need tracking label?
15:39:12 <addison> richard: send email around asking for input
15:39:37 <addison> action: richard: send email about default stylesheet for emphasis marks (issue 385) seeking input
15:39:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-653 - Send email about default stylesheet for emphasis marks (issue 385) seeking input [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-09-21].
15:39:50 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/388
15:40:39 <addison> richard: all of these are the same, will list all of them
15:41:02 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/378
15:41:35 <addison> not i18n
15:41:51 <addison> joc to raise as individual issue
15:41:53 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/379
15:42:57 <addison> no objections, forward
15:43:09 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/377
15:44:30 <addison> forward
15:44:43 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/351
15:45:24 <addison> forward
15:45:31 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/350
15:47:17 <addison> addison: is this talking about a paste operation?
15:48:18 <addison> ... capture the direction context
15:48:42 <addison> ... may want to recreate direction on a full para, but not if inserted into a larger context
15:49:41 <addison> richard: asking to have a discussion
15:50:07 <addison> ... discuss with input events people
15:50:16 <addison> forward
15:50:25 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/349
15:51:11 <addison> forward
15:51:25 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/211
15:52:36 <addison> richard: about delete word backwards/forwards
15:53:02 <addison> jck: also the question about which direction 'forwards' and 'backwards' means
15:53:16 <addison> addison: logical order?
15:53:45 <addison> ... logically preceeding the caret
15:55:33 <addison> andrew: LTR text with page order is influenced by arabic (bound left)
15:55:45 <addison> richard: really interesting, can you send info to list?
15:55:57 <addison> forward
15:55:58 <addison>    https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/210
15:57:03 <addison> forward
15:57:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:59:16 <r12a> ACTION: Richard to forward all comments we discussed during telecon.
15:59:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-654 - Forward all comments we discussed during telecon. [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-09-21].
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15:59:39 <addison> Topic: AOB?
15:59:47 <addison> richard: will shorten list again
16:00:56 <addison> richard: I'm knee deep in apples, please come pick some up
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16:03:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/14-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:03:14 <addison> zakim, bye
16:03:14 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been addison, r12a, Bert, andrewc, JcK, David
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