15:05:16 RRSAgent has joined #auto 15:05:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/09/12-auto-irc 15:05:18 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:05:18 Zakim has joined #auto 15:05:20 Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference 15:05:20 Date: 12 September 2017 15:07:44 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/2017Sep/0003.html 15:07:49 Chair: Wonsuk 15:07:52 Scribe: Ted 15:07:52 scribenick: ted 15:08:13 Meeting: Automotive Webplatform Business Group Teleconference 15:09:50 agenda+ Status and plans of RSI TF including RSI specification day 15:09:59 agenda+ Discussion for Genivi & W3C coordination 15:10:10 agenda+ Status of Web Payments in Connected Vehicles TF 15:10:17 agenda+ BG page update plan 15:10:27 agenda+ AOB(Any Other Business) 15:28:10 wonsuk has joined #auto 15:32:16 Present+ Ted 15:32:56 Present+ Wonsuk 15:34:04 wonsuk_ has joined #auto 15:34:28 Present+ Guru, PatrickB, Gunnar 15:34:50 zakim, next agendum 15:34:50 agendum 1. "Status and plans of RSI TF including RSI specification day" taken up [from ted] 15:34:55 patrickB has joined #auto 15:35:57 Wonsuk: Patrick can you give us a summary on RSI TF? 15:35:58 q+ 15:36:37 PatrickB: unfortunately the participation in the calls is not ideal but what we agreed on was to have RSI day after our F2F in Burlingame 15:37:01 … an early order of business is to do search and replace of ViWi with RSI in the specs 15:37:19 -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/2017Sep/0000.html RSI call 2017-08-30 15:37:50 @@on reschedule 15:38:06 We need to: 15:38:06 15:38:06 * expand editors list 15:38:06 * focus on protocol and one preliminary domain - media? 15:38:09 * work to converge JSON structure of RSI with VSS 15:38:12 * publish a draft spec as a BG report 15:38:15 * recharter WG to take on RSI after completing VISS/VIAS 15:38:18 * identify domains we have appropriate resources to complete 15:38:20 Guru has joined #auto 15:40:20 AdamC has joined #auto 15:41:55 Ted: The LBS domain is extremely complex, we have a couple starts from Qing An and Jonas Schmidt plus the work taking place in Genivi 15:41:55 … we want to get those people together. It will be easier when we show momentum on RSI and at least one other domain 15:41:55 … Specifically Qing An (Alibaba), Jonas Schmidt, Philippe Colliot (PSA), Gunnar Andersson and others from Genivi effort 15:41:56 … doubt we will get them at our F2F meeting at TPAC in November 15:41:58 … I am speaking with Tomtom tomorrow, also trying to bring Volvo in who I understand is involved in LBS at Genivi 15:44:22 Gururaja: I have been with Bosch for 17+ years on vehicle networking and then car multimedia, specfically HMI 15:44:39 … at Genivi I am leading the Application Framework Expert Group 15:44:43 PatrickB_ has joined #auto 15:44:54 … in the coming days I expect to gain clarity and see where I can contribute 15:44:59 Wonsuk: thank you, welcome 15:45:25 Sorry, my landlines just broke.. I am following on mobile now.. ;) 15:45:37 https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/RSITaskForce 15:47:58 straw poll for attendees and agenda for RSI call tomorrow 15:48:17 Present+ Adam 15:48:53 Gunnar: you mentioned a next specification for signals, did you mean the JSON structure for the signals itself? 15:49:39 … have we done a full comparison to the @@@ protocol which is well defined and has traction elsewhere 15:49:53 … what is the plan for moving forward with this approach? 15:50:09 … synchronizing on the JSON would be helpful 15:51:27 s/@@@/WAMP/ 15:54:29 PatrickB: regarding whether we can use WAMP in RSI, I did some research back when we first discussed it 15:55:07 … it is desgined more for broadcasting among brokers, publishers and subscribers 15:55:25 … whereas in RSI we are doing point to point communication instead of broadcast 15:55:42 … WAMP might be overkill for our purposes 15:56:36 … unsure if we would be able to use the same authorization, urls, JSON structures 15:56:53 Gunnar: I am questioning why we need to do things differently in automotive 15:57:37 … it would be in the group's interest to see what other standards can be leveraged (eg WAMP) 15:59:48 Ted: it is certainly an option as RSI advances and we generally should leverage existing standards where they exist instead of recreating 16:00:05 … question is whether this is the best fit for this aspect 16:00:52 Gunnar: if a specification has features beyond what is needed, that might be an indication it is not the best match 16:02:02 … there are interesting features in crossbar.io for WAMP 16:02:33 … it provides some additional features besides WAMP including a REST bridge 16:08:46 Propose to cancel RSI call tomorrow 16:09:09 given EU participants won't be attending 16:09:32 zakim, next agendum 16:09:32 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ted 16:14:45 Wonsuk: typically we will try to send agenda with expected participants for specific topics in advance? 16:15:02 Ted: yes example VSS with Rudi and Patrick or WAMP with Patrick and Gunnar 16:17:21 https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/wiki/Main_Page#November_2017.2C_W3C_TPAC.2C_Burlingame.2C_California.2C_US 16:18:02 zakim, next agendum 16:18:02 agendum 2. "Discussion for Genivi & W3C coordination" taken up [from ted] 16:19:24 Wonsuk: we should start discussion by on which groups we should try to meet with at TPAC 16:19:39 Ted: that was part of a previous email I started and will reply to that thread 16:21:30 Ted @@AGL 16:21:38 Gunnar: I think they are following 16:21:41 Ted @@LBS 16:22:33 Gunnar: we have been making some big changes on LBS on our side 16:23:11 Ted: it would be great to get pointers and ideally navigation engineers, we likely will want to get this going in early Spring 16:23:15 zakim, next agendum 16:23:15 agendum 3. "Status of Web Payments in Connected Vehicles TF" taken up [from ted] 16:23:24 Ted: Ian Jacobs (Web Payments Lead) and I are still trying to get participation commitments from some key stakeholders before launching 16:23:25 … we had some setbacks and expected to have started up the TF by now 16:23:25 … I will keep the group informed. Do please let me know who within your organizations may be participating 16:26:10 … we hope to launch before TPAC 16:26:20 Wonsuk: sounds good 16:26:37 … I want to be involved in that activity 16:27:33 zakim, next agendum 16:27:33 agendum 4. "BG page update plan" taken up [from ted] 16:28:02 Wonsuk: we should provide more information to prospects for this group 16:28:12 … BG page is useful for this 16:28:40 … any items people want to share please propose them 16:28:42 q+ 16:30:20 Ted: two things, first if you are interested in writing a blog post for that page please draft it and send to chairs or I to publish 16:30:53 … second I am getting more MarComm and BusDev assistance and the materials being worked on will be available for distribution and contribute updates to that page 16:30:56 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/12-auto-minutes.html ted 16:35:35 s/Ted @@AGL/Ted: it would be great to increase coordination with others like AGL 16:36:02 s/Ted @@LBS/Ted: besides signals I think the next big area we should coordinate with Genivi is on LBS/ 16:37:30 s/@@on reschedule/Ted: attendance issue may be partly due to the rotating schedule but first let's try sending reminders with specific topics and desired attendees for given topics/ 16:37:32 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/12-auto-minutes.html ted 16:37:36 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Ted, Wonsuk, Guru, PatrickB, Gunnar, Adam 16:37:36 Zakim has left #auto 16:37:37 I see no action items