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14:56:54 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:57:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:57:00 <trackbot> Date: 07 September 2017
14:57:40 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Sep/0002.html
14:57:45 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:57:48 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
14:57:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:58:05 <addison> agenda+ Agenda
14:58:12 <addison> agenda+ Action Items
14:58:16 <addison> agenda+ Info Share
14:58:24 <addison> agenda+ Radar and Active Work Review
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14:58:40 <addison> agenda+ Review pending and close items
14:58:55 <addison> agenda+ Remote Playback API
14:59:18 <addison> agenda+ String-Meta
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15:02:01 <Bert> present+
15:02:21 <addison> present+ addison
15:02:32 <addison> zakim, who is here?
15:02:32 <Zakim> Present: Bert, addison
15:02:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steve_Atkin, David, florian, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, andrewc, tantek, r12a, xfq, koji, bigbluehat, Bert, trackbot, fantasai
15:02:36 <addison> present+ steve
15:02:40 <addison> present+ r12a
15:02:45 <addison> present+ David
15:02:51 <addison> present+ andrewc
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15:03:11 <addison> agenda?
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15:04:24 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:04:25 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
15:04:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:04:45 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
15:04:52 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:05:05 <Klensin> present+ JcK
15:05:17 <addison> action-636?
15:05:17 <trackbot> action-636 -- Addison Phillips to Update floating times q+a to address confusing section at end -- due 2017-07-20 -- OPEN
15:05:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/636
15:05:55 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/111
15:07:04 <addison> action-647?
15:07:04 <trackbot> action-647 -- Richard Ishida to Send list of review items for next week (pendings and close? items) -- due 2017-09-07 -- OPEN
15:07:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/647
15:07:08 <addison> close action-647
15:07:08 <trackbot> Closed action-647.
15:07:24 <addison> action-648?
15:07:24 <trackbot> action-648 -- Richard Ishida to Ask mongolian ad hoc group to use our list -- due 2017-09-07 -- OPEN
15:07:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/648
15:07:48 <David> Zakim, present+
15:08:43 <addison> close action-648
15:08:43 <trackbot> Closed action-648.
15:09:00 <addison> action-649?
15:09:00 <trackbot> action-649 -- Addison Phillips to Reply to whatwg 2945 translatehint issue with wg opinion -- due 2017-09-07 -- OPEN
15:09:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/649
15:09:05 <addison> close action-649
15:09:05 <trackbot> Closed action-649.
15:09:48 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:09:48 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
15:09:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:10:06 <addison> david: small piece
15:10:11 <addison> ... looking at jdk9 spec
15:10:21 <addison> ... aiming to do better bidi support
15:10:57 <addison> addison: maybe making isolation work?
15:11:29 <addison> richard: tpac is coming!
15:11:36 <addison> ... the goose is getting fat
15:11:40 <addison> ... consider registering
15:11:45 <addison> ... if you wish to attend
15:12:04 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/
15:12:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:12:43 <David> https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8043825
15:12:44 <r12a> https://www.chinaw3c.org/tpac2017-overview.html
15:13:47 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:13:47 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Radar and Active Work Review" taken up [from addison]
15:13:50 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
15:15:46 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
15:15:46 <Zakim> Present: Bert, addison, steve, r12a, David, andrewc, JcK
15:15:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see David, Klensin, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, andrewc, r12a, xfq, koji, bigbluehat, Bert, trackbot, fantasai
15:16:50 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:17:48 <addison> richard: talked to shervin and he'll try to produce something for arabic (gap review)
15:17:58 <addison> bert: looking at dutch, not finished yet
15:18:02 <addison> ... will send
15:18:30 <addison> richard: when you get to paged media stuff
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15:18:42 <addison> ... are there i18n features that are not supported. lots of features not supported
15:18:51 <addison> ... but we're only considering the i18n ones
15:19:07 <addison> ... things such as making page turn direction in arabic
15:19:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:20:39 <addison> agenda?
15:20:59 <addison> richard: the ij thing might be one, it's unicode related
15:21:07 <addison> ... maybe important to consider
15:21:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:21:51 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Review pending and close items" taken up [from addison]
15:22:36 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:22:36 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Remote Playback API" taken up [from addison]
15:22:59 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/274#issuecomment-327103198
15:24:43 <addison> action: addison: write to remote playback and indicate that we are satisfied and our review is in fact complete
15:24:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-650 - Write to remote playback and indicate that we are satisfied and our review is in fact complete [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-09-14].
15:24:58 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:24:58 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Review pending and close items" taken up [from addison]
15:25:11 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2017JulSep/0088.html
15:27:06 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/473
15:27:46 <addison> richard: maybe too late
15:27:52 <addison> ... but don't like the word justify here
15:28:02 <addison> ... this is about aligning or arranging
15:28:11 <addison> ... I wish to tilt at this windmill please?
15:28:36 <addison> addison: agree
15:28:45 <addison> david: use of justify is unjustifiable
15:29:01 <addison> bert: problem css knows about, but hasn't come to satifying conclusion
15:29:13 <addison> ... words are internally consistent, but words overloaded
15:29:28 <addison> ... haven't found anything better, variations of 'align' are equally obscure
15:29:41 <addison> richard: suggesting 'arrange', notice that powerpoint uses the word
15:30:15 <addison> ... question is whether CSS Grid went out and use justify?
15:30:21 <addison> bert: not sure if all of them
15:30:47 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/474
15:31:34 <addison> richard: asking for a brief summary of what happens in simple cases
15:31:48 <addison> addison: is that really an i18n comment?
15:32:01 <addison> richard: well, has to do with which baseline
15:32:10 <addison> bert: thought there use to be illustrations?
15:32:21 <addison> richard: still exist in another spec
15:32:31 <addison> ... didn't manage to make that connect to what they say here
15:32:43 <addison> (possibly line module??)
15:33:02 <addison> (no objections)
15:33:09 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/396
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15:33:37 <addison> richard: matches items to a list
15:33:46 <addison> ... matches capital and lowercase in list
15:33:52 <addison> ... should we do normalization too?
15:36:02 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/#handlingCaseFolding
15:36:35 <addison> addison: turkish for example
15:36:49 <addison> andrew: vietnamese input methods may require normalization
15:37:10 <addison> ... user may not be inputting the same string
15:37:19 <addison> ... for the same word
15:38:37 <addison> richard: really useful feature though
15:39:05 <addison> ... use in uniview
15:39:28 <addison> jck: gray area between identifier case and free text case
15:40:56 <addison> addison: if we don't say anything, the default implementation will be ascii friendly and break down from there
15:41:23 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/string-search
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15:42:14 <addison> jck: "don't charge naively ahead"
15:42:31 <addison> david: a rider on that is to say "before you try anything, try normalizing"
15:42:43 <addison> jck: agree
15:43:15 <addison> addison: wouldn't apply a K because it damages too much
15:43:39 <addison> david: should say bahave "as if" NFC
15:43:49 <addison> ... use as-if to avoid requiring the actual normalization
15:44:27 <addison> addison: case fold still a thing
15:44:32 <addison> ... written things like this
15:44:40 <addison> ... fold wide/narrow? fold kana?
15:45:10 <addison> ... "opened a nest of snakes"
15:45:33 <addison> bert: found in an editor that suggests options, really annoying
15:45:52 <addison> ... what does the author mean by this, are these specific options?
15:45:58 <addison> ... up to browser to be smart about it
15:46:24 <addison> addison: spec could allow implementations to compete on this
15:48:34 <addison> richard: sounds really useful but opened a nest of snakes
15:48:40 <addison> david: take into account user's locale
15:48:44 <addison> addison: or page language content
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15:48:57 <addison> richard: and give examples
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15:49:28 <addison> richard: will draft comment and submit it
15:49:52 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/string-search
15:50:01 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159
15:51:49 <addison> richard: they say no modifiers but examples are all uppercase letters
15:52:12 <addison> (discussion of various things such as numbers on some keyboards, some syllabaries, etc.)
15:52:57 <addison> richard: so what does "modifier" mean?
15:53:04 <addison> andrew: technically includes shift
15:54:01 <addison> jck: needs to be very clear what they are talking about
15:54:19 <addison> andrew: defined as single unicode code point
15:54:25 <addison> ... but keyboards aren't limited that way
15:55:13 <addison> addison: didn't we have this issue?
15:55:24 <addison> richard: yes, steve raised this before
15:55:34 <addison> steve: can't remember which spec, but yes
15:55:37 <addison> ... have to look
15:55:46 <addison> richard: chaals involved in discuss?
15:56:13 <addison> okay to send
15:56:53 <addison> richard: owl-time all need to be closed?
15:57:14 <addison> addison: will look at and close
15:58:02 <addison> richard: will issue a new list for next week
15:58:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/09/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:58:21 <addison> Topic: AOB?
15:58:35 <r12a> Action: Richard to shorten the list of pending/closed items and reissue for next telecon discussion
15:58:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-651 - Shorten the list of pending/closed items and reissue for next telecon discussion [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-09-14].
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16:00:06 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:27:57 <r12a> Bert, i should send you a template to fill in for your dutch gap analysis and explain how it works
16:28:09 <r12a> (very simple)
16:28:50 <r12a> it may be useful to have a v quick voice call for that, if you have some spare time
16:29:04 <Bert> I was writing a simple e-mail, but a form might be handy, indeed.
16:29:52 <Bert> If it is short, why not right now? It's still rush hour, so I'm not leaving for another half hour...
16:30:19 <r12a> ok, skype ?
16:30:39 <r12a> webex?
16:32:13 <r12a> Bert ^^
16:32:58 <Bert> Whichever. https://mit.webex.com/meet/bbos or bert.bos or +33 4 92 38 76 92
16:34:04 <r12a> joining your webex room
16:34:32 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/arab-ar-fa
16:34:53 <r12a> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/w3c/typography/gh-pages/gap-analysis/arab-ar-fa.html
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