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14:01:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Payments Working Group Teleconference
14:01:01 <trackbot> Date: 31 August 2017
14:01:11 <Ian> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20170831
14:01:20 <Ian> Chair: NickTR
14:01:31 <Ian> present+ alyver
14:01:41 <Ian> present+ jean_luc_di_manno
14:01:51 <Ian> present+ Nicktr
14:01:56 <Ian> present+
14:03:20 <nicktr> Zakim, who is here?
14:03:20 <Zakim> Present: alyver, jean_luc_di_manno, Nicktr, Ian
14:03:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, alyver, cweiss, hober, pea13, canton, adamR, mkwst, schuki, emschwartz, dlongley, manu, JakeA, trackbot, dlehn, slightlyoff, adrianba, Dongwoo, ShaneM,
14:03:22 <Zakim> ... oyiptong, nicktr, Ian
14:04:15 <Ian> --> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20170831 Agenda
14:04:22 <Ian> present+ zkoch
14:04:41 <Ian> present+ MattDeGanon
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14:05:09 <Ian> Topic: Payment Apps
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14:06:05 <Ian> Proposal: Disband the payment apps task force after PR API goes to CR; move conversations to this meeting
14:06:38 <nicktr> Strong +1
14:06:51 <alyver> +1
14:06:51 <zkoch> +1, though you can have your own editor mtg
14:06:57 <zkoch> but substantive issues should be discussed here
14:07:08 <Ian> (IJ clarifies: Editors will still do work; WG will take on the decision-making around big issues)
14:07:29 <Ian> present+ Molly
14:07:37 <Ian> present+ AdrianHB
14:08:00 <Ian> adrianhb: +1
14:08:16 <deganon> +1
14:08:22 <Ian> topic: Payment Request API CR update
14:08:39 <Ian> Chair: Ian
14:09:20 <Ian> zkoch: We had to postpone Editor meeting until this afternoon...so I will have more after that meeting
14:09:47 <Ian> present+ dezell
14:10:03 <Ian> zkoch: Marcos has been raising issues/pull requests as he implements and tests
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14:10:35 <Ian> ...for some scenarios where we were ignoring issues, we have decided to fail more often now
14:10:49 <Ian> ...these are small issues to adjust the spec regarding detailed behavior around failure cases
14:10:57 <Ian> ....validating PMIs, avoiding duplicates
14:11:13 <Ian> ...we finally merged a pull request regarding what to do when the user switches a tab when the PR is open
14:11:32 <Ian> ...as I look at remaining issues, I believe the two remaining pull requests should close the last of the 2 substantive CR-dependent issues
14:11:43 <Ian> ...one of them is to match existing browser behavior
14:12:06 <Ian> ..our plan today at the editor meeting is to try to close the final issues
14:12:12 <Ian> ...we hope to be done by the end of the week
14:12:23 <Ian> ...I will follow up with an email to the group after the editor meeting
14:12:29 <Ian> present+ Ken
14:12:51 <nicktr> ian: we have a group decision to go to CR
14:13:33 <nicktr> ...the remaining issues are about very fine details and error handling and so the decision is still valid
14:14:16 <nicktr> ...checking in with the group to ensure that that view represents consensus - does anyone have concerns about fixes proposed
14:14:16 <Ian> IJ: Any concerns by anyone about detailed fixes?
14:14:19 <Ian> [No comments]
14:14:20 <Ian> q?
14:14:40 <nicktr> Ian: any other questions for Zach?
14:14:40 <dezell> present+ dezell
14:14:46 <Ian> zkoch: In response to IJ's comment, the things that Marcos is clarifying are really edge-cases
14:15:35 <Ian> Topic: Test suite status
14:15:47 <Ian> https://w3c-test.org/payment-request/
14:16:18 <Ian> http://wpt.fyi/payment-request
14:16:46 <nicktr> Ian: this is a neat dashboard that shows you reports that can be generated from test suite
14:16:56 <nicktr> ...right now it's mostly red
14:17:04 <nicktr> ...many features are behind flags
14:17:21 <nicktr> ...Marcos believes manual testing is behind automated testing
14:17:40 <nicktr> ...we need to be able to show "green" to the director to exit CR
14:17:59 <nicktr> Ian: It's my understanding that the browser engines all slurp up these tests and reports
14:18:08 <nicktr> ...so this activity is very valuable
14:18:35 <nicktr> Ian: zkoch - any more on testing?
14:18:39 <nicktr> zkoch: nope
14:19:03 <Ian> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/07/13-prapi-cr-trans-req.txt Draft transition request
14:19:14 <nicktr> Ian: we will need stable URLs
14:19:29 <nicktr> ...then we send to the director. Hopefully he approves then we can publish
14:20:04 <nicktr> Ian: Perhaps at TPAC we could look at interoperability issues - implementations side by side.
14:20:11 <nicktr> ...a "test fest"
14:20:21 <Ian> Topic: Payment Method Manifest
14:20:40 <Ian> IJ: What are the steps to FPWD?
14:20:57 <Ian> zkoch: let's do that after CR of PR API
14:21:35 <Ian> ...we have submitted that spec to the TAG who has 2 questions
14:21:58 <nicktr> Ian: I have raised a couple of issues and we need to put some issue markers in
14:21:59 <Ian> ...let's turn our attention to that after CR
14:22:11 <Ian> topic: Rechartering
14:22:32 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/FTF-Nov2017
14:22:55 <nicktr> Ian: It would be good to have a charter proposal ahead of TPAC
14:23:16 <nicktr> ...AC should be already reviewing by then
14:24:05 <nicktr> Ian: Now we are a chartered group, we propose our own charter (it doesn't come from WPIG)
14:24:11 <nicktr> q+
14:24:20 <Ian>    a) What’s left to do in v1 of PR API and PMI?
14:24:20 <Ian>    b) Should we start work right away on v2 features?
14:24:20 <Ian>    c) I assume we will continue to work on Payment Handler API.
14:24:20 <Ian>    d) What payment method specifications do we anticipate developing? (I am aware of three ideas
14:24:21 <Ian>        beyond Basic Card.)
14:24:21 <Ian>    e) What about out-of-browser payments? Do we want to return to those?
14:25:10 <nicktr> q+ to talk about dates but also ongoing role around short names etc
14:25:36 <Ian> ack nicktr
14:25:36 <Zakim> nicktr, you wanted to talk about dates but also ongoing role around short names etc
14:26:05 <Ian> nicktr: Let's talk about dates if we want to have our charter in review by TPAC
14:26:15 <Ian> ..then we need a solid charter by the end of September
14:26:27 <Ian> ...so that only gives us about 4 weeks to work through what we want to see in the first draft.
14:26:44 <Ian> ..I am happy to take the lead on this (with Adrian and Ian)
14:27:03 <Ian> ...in terms of ongoing activity, something we need to consider is our light governance role of short name
14:27:08 <Ian> ...need to take that into account re: charter
14:27:35 <nicktr> Ian: I think we should take this start on 7th September
14:27:41 <nicktr> ...please bring priorities to the call
14:27:52 <nicktr> ...what would you like us to stop/start/continue
14:27:59 <Ian> q?
14:28:07 <Ian> Topic: next meeting
14:28:09 <Ian> 7 september
14:28:36 <zkoch> cooool
14:28:40 <nicktr> Ian: I may bring payment handler issues. Please as ever let us know about other issues
14:28:46 <nicktr> Thanks all
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