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14:52:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:52:27 <trackbot> Date: 29 August 2017
14:52:32 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
14:52:32 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:52:33 <Zakim> 10. Undo - Issue 38 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/Final_prelockdown_set/results#xSC3 [from AWK]
14:52:42 <Joshue108> zakim, clear agenda
14:52:42 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:53:32 <Joshue108> agenda+ ACT Rules Format draft publication survey
14:53:32 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ACT_Aug2017/
14:53:43 <Joshue108> agenda+ Updating Understanding documents tutorial by Michael
14:53:52 <Joshue108> agenda+ Planning - next phase/steps discussion
14:54:16 <Roy> present+ Roy
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15:01:22 <david-macdonald> Present+ David-MacDonald
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15:03:45 <kirkwood> josh: do we need to have call thursday
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15:04:20 <kirkwood> Josh: talking about working next steps and planning in next call
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15:07:26 <Joshue108> zakim, next item
15:07:27 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ACT Rules Format draft publication survey" taken up [from Joshue108]
15:07:30 <Glenda> Present+ Glenda
15:07:32 <AWK> +AWK
15:07:38 <AWK> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:07:38 <Zakim> Present: AWK, KimD, JakeAbma, Joshue108, JF, shawn, shadi, MichaelC, MikeGower, Laura, Detlev, Mike_Pluke, Makoto, Melanie_Philipp, Katie_Haritos-Shea, marcjohlic, Kathy,
15:07:41 <Zakim> ... alastairc, Glenda, david-macdonald, jasonjgw, Mike, Elledge, dboudreau, chriscm, jon_avila, kirkwood, JanMcSorley, Roy, Wilco, lisa, Greg_Lowney, bruce-bailey, steverep, BAN
15:07:47 <kirkwood> Josh: att draft
15:07:57 <shadi> present+
15:08:12 <Joshue108> ACT Rules format draft https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ACT_Aug2017/results
15:08:12 <kirkwood> Wilco: SC task we released first draft in april and got some feedback
15:08:34 <kirkwood> Wilco: second draft is ready for public review, a few open questions
15:08:50 <KimD> *I think it's my new colleague
15:08:51 <kirkwood> Wilco: those are good places to provide feedback
15:09:04 <Wilco> https://wilcofiers.github.io/act-rules/rules/ACT-R1.html
15:09:04 <kirkwood> Wildo: in addition we have been working on a few samples
15:09:10 <kirkwood> example here
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15:09:15 <BAN> BAN = Brooks Newton - sorry bout that! New member
15:09:34 <kirkwood> Wilco: aria descrbe by and third for autmatically playing audio and video
15:09:43 <MichaelC> present+ Brooks_Newton
15:09:45 <MichaelC> present- BAN
15:09:52 <kirkwood> Wilco: we picked thos to give more of an idea to review
15:10:07 <kirkwood> Wilco: we picked these three to give different kinds
15:10:59 <kirkwood> Wilco: first one to go into pass or fail. if you fail that means 221 3.2.5 SC
15:11:00 <kirkwood> sorry need right numbers
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15:11:30 <kirkwood> Wilco: aria describe by one has three steps once done with automated testing
15:11:52 <kirkwood> Wilco: the ti=hird is a lttle similar with aduio and video which is a bit more complex
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15:12:16 <kirkwood> Wilco: these rules have vaalidation tests at bottom of each one
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15:12:39 <kirkwood> Wilco: it has a whole bunch of audio and video at bottom of page
15:12:57 <kirkwood> Wilco: we are current looking for feedback
15:13:06 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/ACT_Aug2017/results
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15:13:44 <kirkwood> Josh: if havent andswered survey please do so
15:14:00 <lisa> q+
15:14:09 <kirkwood> BN: thank you for the welcome
15:14:49 <kirkwood> BN: been doing web design development for 20 plus years, worked with ATT and deque just joined thomson reuters
15:15:20 <kirkwood> BN: look forward to guiding accessibilityi
15:15:34 <kirkwood> Josh: welcome we are always looking for scribes
15:15:34 <AWK> s/accessibilityi/accessibility
15:15:42 <AWK> agenda?
15:15:51 <Joshue108> ack lisa
15:15:59 <kirkwood> LS: question for Wilco had a few questions
15:16:15 <kirkwood> LS: first looks like you are using CSS instead of xpath
15:16:37 <kirkwood> Wilco: mostly becaause people know what look like
15:16:47 <kirkwood> LS: are they selectable?
15:17:18 <kirkwood> LS: you’ve got plain text ins step one
15:17:35 <kirkwood> LS: does this create ambiguity
15:17:51 <kirkwood> LS: could that be parsed two ways is it completely unambiguous?
15:17:56 <kirkwood> Wilco: it is not
15:18:31 <kirkwood> Wilco: want to make sure useful in both scenerios, way we tackle is with test cases for places where ambiguity
15:18:52 <kirkwood> LS: the point clear to conform or not conform
15:20:00 <kirkwood> LS: not sure if we are avoiding ambiguity, should it come iwth pick languatge or javascript maybe better as exposed expression
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15:20:26 <kirkwood> Wilco: only way i’ve found to be completely unambiguous to code it
15:20:44 <kirkwood> Wilco: we want to give rooom how to implement and trying to find optimal way to do that
15:20:56 <kirkwood> LS: could make unambigurous in tree mode
15:21:08 <kirkwood> Josh: could we take offline
15:21:17 <kirkwood> Josh: will reach out to lisa
15:21:39 <kirkwood> Josh: results are in and have resolution to publish
15:21:42 <Joshue108> RESOLUTION: Publish the ACT Rules Format 1.0 second draft and three examples rules
15:22:14 <Joshue108> zakim, next item
15:22:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Updating Understanding documents tutorial by Michael" taken up [from Joshue108]
15:22:36 <kirkwood> Josh: next item to look at is updating understandin document
15:23:04 <kirkwood> MC: much i’ve sent before on mailing list
15:23:04 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/#user-content-editing-draft-understanding-content
15:23:05 <chriscm> present+
15:23:20 <kirkwood> MC: primary documentation is top level of repository in github
15:23:43 <kirkwood> MC: this is a little brief because hoping that process is self documenting
15:23:56 <MichaelC> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017AprJun/0499.html
15:24:00 <kirkwood> MC: message back in May with more infor
15:24:12 <kirkwood> MC: haven’t changed too much since that time
15:24:26 <MichaelC> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017JulSep/0906.html
15:24:29 <kirkwood> MC: wnat to talk about new branches i set up
15:24:48 <kirkwood> MC: cleaned up old working branches and stup new branches
15:25:02 <kirkwood> MC: branch name is accessible-authtication
15:25:18 <kirkwood> MC: there is one for each success criteria
15:25:34 <kirkwood> MC: at momen there are 290 acting SC files
15:25:45 <kirkwood> MC: the process is the same
15:25:55 <kirkwood> MC: work on file in branck of same name
15:26:07 <kirkwood> branck/branch
15:26:09 <Glenda> Can you give us a link to one of the new branches…just to make sure I’m looking in the right place?
15:26:28 <kirkwood> MC: there is parallell file for each SC page
15:26:41 <kirkwood> MC: for each SC we need a working document
15:26:49 <Glenda> are these them? https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/branches/active
15:26:57 <kirkwood> MC: it will be easier to merge branch
15:26:58 <Joshue108> q?
15:27:01 <AWK> q+
15:27:10 <lisa> q+
15:27:18 <kirkwood> MC: understand files are in folder undersatnding/21
15:27:29 <kirkwood> not sure if this is correct?
15:27:52 <kirkwood> MC: when submitted SC alot of content in uderstanding woudl go in the issue
15:28:08 <MichaelC> https://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag/refactoring/wcag20/sources/refactoring/understanding-template.html
15:28:08 <kirkwood> MC: we have not routinely made sure that it was in the understanding pages
15:28:22 <kirkwood> MC: this is to show a template
15:28:36 <kirkwood> MC: they  are named same as SC
15:28:51 <kirkwood> MC: there is a heading level 1 followed by each of the sections
15:29:30 <kirkwood> MC: there is an intent section and an example section, a resoureces sedction, a techniques section, within each may have as situation section
15:29:35 <Joshue108> q?
15:29:45 <kirkwood> MC: i’ll talk about techniques at end of mini tutoriial
15:30:00 <kirkwood> MC: you’ll see a lot of grey insturctional text
15:30:22 <kirkwood> MC: when you edit an understand ing document you can remove  such as class=instrucionts
15:30:44 <kirkwood> MC:  keep all class attributions
15:30:54 <kirkwood> MC: we are likely to do script proicessing
15:31:01 <kirkwood> MC: no styling yet
15:31:08 <JF> Q+
15:31:14 <kirkwood> MC: these class attributes will make esier to autmate
15:31:30 <kirkwood> MC: the top level should alwasy be tyher3e
15:31:51 <JF> s/tyher3e/there
15:31:56 <kirkwood> MC: within example section should create inside subsection
15:32:11 <kirkwood> SC: in techniques showed sub section
15:32:26 <kirkwood> SC: whould show reference techniques
15:32:56 <kirkwood> SC: if you don’t need situations don’t need should strip out and do copy of situation
15:33:22 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/
15:33:23 <kirkwood> MC: let me point where understanding docments are beingh published
15:33:42 <kirkwood> MC: thats where this content should go
15:33:57 <kirkwood> MC: this is only including understandin pages for 2.1
15:34:10 <kirkwood> MC: it’ll be easeier to work on 2.1 now
15:34:11 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/21/contextual-information.html
15:34:24 <kirkwood> MC: first on different copy of styoing over
15:34:46 <kirkwood> MC: there may be content from that SC that can be populated
15:34:52 <Joshue108> q?
15:35:10 <kirkwood> MC: when i set this up when we approved more SC
15:35:20 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/21/graphics-contrast.html
15:35:26 <kirkwood> MC: to help i ported material from the issue from thos four SC
15:35:47 <kirkwood> MC: the graphics contracst is the most complete
15:35:57 <kirkwood> MC: this on uses exmaples
15:36:24 <kirkwood> MC: this one includes reasonable compete understanding page
15:36:36 <Joshue108> q?
15:36:41 <AWK> AWK is creating a page that lists the accepted SC, and will include links to the editable section of GitHub for each SC's understanding document, and ultimately to the techniques for that SC when being worked on.
15:36:44 <Joshue108> ack awk
15:37:13 <AWK> Page is at: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Accepted_WCAG_2.1_SC
15:37:14 <kirkwood> Josh: creating a page with link to all SC and techniques as well , not done right now but its here
15:37:30 <kirkwood> MC: Andrew: has a list of the SC
15:37:41 <Joshue108> ack lisa
15:37:45 <laura> Thank you Andew!
15:37:54 <kirkwood> LS:  busnch of questions
15:38:10 <kirkwood> LS: problem with editing in github maybe will help that
15:38:40 <steverep> q+ How should we inform the group there is an Understanding draft to review?
15:38:49 <kirkwood> LS: the problem is collecting contribution from task force that will move
15:39:00 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13hmoaVU563kTio1EZD5mbNxcc0k924qVdZZwWckcbu0/edit#
15:39:00 <kirkwood> LS: we have put into googledoc
15:39:30 <kirkwood> MC: we did talk about it in task force facilitator call. free to use but not official until in github
15:39:56 <kirkwood> MC: can work on conten elsewhere such as goodl make sure content migrated at righ time
15:40:11 <kirkwood> LS: when should it be migrated
15:40:22 <kirkwood> LS: for next publication
15:40:34 <kirkwood> MC: when you feel it is ready to migrate
15:40:41 <Joshue108> q?
15:40:50 <kirkwood> LS: when do you need it to migrate for next draft
15:41:09 <kirkwood> MC: can’t give a date but soon
15:41:30 <kirkwood> MC: if you have multiple might be difficulet, but can update
15:41:39 <kirkwood> MC: don’t worry to much about timing
15:41:53 <kirkwood> LS: what we have is better than nothing
15:41:59 <kirkwood> MC: up to you
15:42:18 <kirkwood> LS: if we can catch the pbulication in a week or now
15:42:35 <kirkwood> MC: its your judgement
15:42:50 <kirkwood> MC: point of understanding is that we can update them
15:42:59 <kirkwood> MC: there is room for asynchranity
15:43:19 <kirkwood> LS: only point to nomnitive documents bu
15:43:31 <Joshue108> ack jf
15:43:49 <gowerm> q+
15:43:59 <kirkwood> JF: perhaps off in the weeds, do we have a final count of how many SC appratnely 15 by michael and 20 by andrew
15:44:10 <kirkwood> MC: there should be 20
15:44:24 <kirkwood> MC/Andrew
15:44:45 <david-macdonald> I think my spreadsheet is fairly up to date tinyurl.com/jmo9st4
15:44:47 <AWK> CFC for printing ends at 11:59 pm tonight
15:44:48 <kirkwood> MC: I failied to update understanding there should be 20
15:45:03 <kirkwood> JF: I’d like to know how many and would like to have stable
15:45:12 <kirkwood> MC: I have 20
15:45:30 <kirkwood> Josh: four conformance changes and one more in play
15:45:42 <kirkwood> Andrew: don’t have a stable set yet
15:45:55 <kirkwood> JF: can we have an indcation of when we will have that
15:45:59 <lisa> q+
15:46:01 <Joshue108> q?
15:46:05 <kirkwood> Josh: give us unitl end of week
15:46:07 <david-macdonald> I have 22 with 2 CFC outstanding
15:46:08 <Joshue108> ack gower
15:46:23 <kirkwood> MG: covering formatting of understanding docuement
15:46:23 <david-macdonald> http://tinyurl.com/jmo9st4
15:46:40 <kirkwood> MB: wondering if we are going to have consistent languge sith bulleting
15:46:47 <kirkwood> MC: I plan to do that
15:46:56 <AWK> s/sith/with
15:47:10 <kirkwood> MC: probable do proposed checklist
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15:47:20 <kirkwood> ;)
15:47:22 <Joshue108> ack lisa
15:47:49 <kirkwood> LS: i told task force that today was the day for deadline and say finished with google doc today
15:48:03 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13hmoaVU563kTio1EZD5mbNxcc0k924qVdZZwWckcbu0/edit#
15:48:22 <Joshue108> q?
15:48:24 <kirkwood> MC: just send the links to docs over and i’ll probly do migration
15:48:55 <kirkwood> MC: any other questions about proposed process
15:49:10 <kirkwood> David: should use caption
15:49:23 <kirkwood> MC: can choose to use alt text
15:49:42 <kirkwood> David: i would suggest we use alt instead of caption
15:50:03 <kirkwood> MC: don’t think alt should be a copy of cation
15:50:11 <kirkwood> cation/caption
15:50:15 <MichaelC> s/instead of/in addition to/
15:50:16 <Joshue108> q?
15:50:39 <david-macdonald> Device sensors seems to have good consensus now https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/67
15:50:39 <kirkwood> SR: after we updated, how would you know to pull in a second branch
15:51:03 <david-macdonald> q+
15:51:16 <kirkwood> MC: Josh and Andrew and I hven’t really talked about in review versus flexibility
15:51:27 <kirkwood> Josh: review time need input on
15:51:35 <Joshue108> ack dav
15:52:10 <kirkwood> David: i sufggest bypass getting consensus on unserstanding and we can just do a pass better use of time than getting consensus
15:52:30 <kirkwood> MC: if we go that pass we need to eventually have a revew
15:52:36 <kirkwood> David: i agree
15:53:10 <kirkwood> Josh: not hearing anyone demanding review cycles
15:53:20 <Joshue108> zakim, next item
15:53:21 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Planning - next phase/steps discussion" taken up [from Joshue108]
15:54:07 <kirkwood> Josh: planning to plan to adjust and reorder focus as a group, need to reset a bit. on chairs agenda
15:54:25 <kirkwood> Josh: creation of new techniques, understanding documents and review process
15:54:43 <kirkwood> Josh: all things on radar, including extra thursday call
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15:55:10 <kirkwood> Josh: do we need to have one over next couple of weeks
15:55:10 <AWK> q+
15:55:33 <kirkwood> MC: regarding approiving understanding
15:55:34 <Detlev> q+
15:55:40 <kirkwood> MC: about pull versus merge
15:55:52 <kirkwood> MC: andrew likes pull i prefer not
15:56:01 <kirkwood> MD: either way do what makes sense to you
15:56:08 <MichaelC_> ack me
15:56:11 <kirkwood> MD/MC
15:56:23 <AWK> ack AWK
15:56:26 <kathy> This time conflicts with Mobile call
15:56:29 <chriscm> Pull request and requested merge result in the same thing ending up in the repository, it's just a difference in User Experience.
15:56:32 <steverep> q+ vote for PR since issues are closed
15:56:37 <kathy> q+
15:56:43 <kirkwood> Josh: less of an paetite for review cycle
15:57:31 <kirkwood> Andrew: unles we have specifc agenda items for Thursday calls, maybe we should reserve time but unless specific needs otherwise not use it
15:57:41 <jasonjgw> q+
15:57:58 <kirkwood> Andrew: it may not find it will be needed
15:58:12 <kirkwood> Andrew not meet if don’t have it scheduled
15:58:29 <kirkwood> Josh: should we keep onbooks?
15:58:37 <kirkwood> MC: that should be fine
15:59:01 <kirkwood> MC: will be changing p4ssw0rds
15:59:26 <Joshue108> ack detlev
15:59:27 <kirkwood> Josh: will reserve time think shoud take extra thursday call off books
16:00:02 <kirkwood> Detlev: wondering what the plan is for doing understanding pages, is it plan that thos people will work on the understanding. Any planning of that?
16:00:27 <kirkwood> Josh: understanding document would be peiced together by SC manager
16:00:35 <kirkwood> peiced/pieced
16:00:53 <Joshue108> q?
16:01:07 <kirkwood> Andrew: number of people some people have greater writing than technical
16:01:32 <kirkwood> Andrew: like SC manager assignment have a place whre people can indicate will intend to do work on it
16:02:01 <kirkwood> Delev: it would be useful who is to do work on particular pages of understand documents
16:02:10 <kirkwood> Josh: we will reach out to do that
16:02:25 <kirkwood> Josh: we will make sure but doesn’t have to be SC manager
16:02:40 <laura> q+
16:02:41 <kirkwood> Josh: is that ok detlev
16:02:46 <kirkwood> detlev: sure
16:02:59 <MichaelC> ack vo
16:02:59 <Zakim> vote, you wanted to discuss PR since issues are closed
16:03:29 <Joshue108> ack kathy
16:03:52 <kirkwood> kathy: if we do thursday that conflicts with low vision and mobile calls
16:03:58 <allanj> +1 to Kathy
16:04:11 <kirkwood> Kathy: thought we were taking first pass of understanding in the task force
16:04:13 <AWK> AWK, yes, TF's will take first pass
16:04:40 <Joshue108> q?
16:05:00 <kirkwood> Andrew: yes, we weren’t cufficient clear task forces have taken first pass at understanding document
16:05:37 <kirkwood> Andrew: the task force can make well consider edits to change in SC text
16:06:09 <kirkwood> Andrew: want to make sure low vision and cognitive task forces are taking a look at it for example
16:06:14 <lisa> q+
16:06:37 <kirkwood> Adrew: but yes would expect at outse the first name of those listed of ddoing wok on understand doemnt would be doing it
16:06:38 <Joshue108> ack jason
16:06:50 <david-macdonald> I've updated the links on my spreadsheet to the new branches (Except for Targets size no exceptions, Undo, and Printing to be done later)
16:07:35 <kirkwood> JW: significant work in reviewing issues, we need to go through process of issues with forhtcoming draft and address public process. that process will be at least as intense as that last week
16:07:48 <Joshue108> ack laura
16:08:18 <kirkwood> Laura: not sure how that will be done
16:08:21 <laura> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/charter2017#understanding
16:08:40 <Joshue108> ack lisa
16:09:17 <laura> “Work with the Accessibility Guidelines Working Group (AG WG) in developing Understanding support material for new WCAG 2.1 success criteria.” https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/charter2017#understanding
16:09:26 <kirkwood> LS: in the uderstanding document I have some notes, said in different surveys not going to be able to find them all. it would be really helpful if pople remind of importance
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16:10:01 <kirkwood> LS: can add tonight in google docs and I can pass it over
16:10:12 <kirkwood> LS: to make sure important issues are addressed
16:10:26 <kirkwood> Josh: reach ou to you right?
16:10:37 <kirkwood> LS: yes adding to google docs should be today
16:10:47 <kirkwood> LS: don’t assume i remeber everything
16:11:14 <Joshue108> q?
16:11:23 <kirkwood> Josh: people should reach out to you lisa
16:11:41 <kirkwood> Josh: thanks for overview of understanding
16:11:48 <kirkwood> Josh: no call this Thursday
16:11:55 <AWK> q+
16:11:59 <AWK> ack awk
16:12:16 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:12:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/08/29-ag-minutes.html Joshue108
16:12:24 <kirkwood> thank you!
16:12:26 <Joshue108> trackbot, end meeting
16:12:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:12:26 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AWK, KimD, JakeAbma, Joshue108, JF, shawn, shadi, MichaelC, MikeGower, Laura, Detlev, Mike_Pluke, Makoto, Melanie_Philipp,
16:12:29 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, marcjohlic, Kathy, alastairc, Glenda, david-macdonald, jasonjgw, Mike, Elledge, dboudreau, chriscm, jon_avila, kirkwood, JanMcSorley, Roy, Wilco, lisa,
16:12:29 <Zakim> ... Greg_Lowney, bruce-bailey, steverep, BAN, Brooks_Newton
16:12:32 <Roy> Roy has left #ag
16:12:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:12:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/08/29-ag-minutes.html trackbot
16:12:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:12:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items