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14:48:07 <addison> agenda?
14:48:31 <addison> zakim, delete agendum 6
14:48:31 <Zakim> agendum 6, escapes article update, dropped
14:48:36 <addison> agenda?
14:48:38 <r12a> agenda+ https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2945
14:48:49 <addison> zakim, delete agendum 7
14:48:49 <Zakim> agendum 7, TTML issue closing, dropped
14:49:00 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:49:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:49:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:49:06 <trackbot> Date: 24 August 2017
14:49:10 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:49:13 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
14:49:37 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Aug/0017.html
14:49:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/08/24-i18n-minutes.html addison
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15:00:39 <addison> present+
15:00:50 <addison> present+ Steven
15:02:05 <r12a> present+
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15:03:47 <addison> zakim, who is here?
15:03:47 <Zakim> Present: JcK, Bert, r12a, David, Addison, (IRC, only), Steven
15:03:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steve_Atkin, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, bigbluehat, Bert, Zakim, trackbot, fantasai, koji
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15:04:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:04:51 <Zakim> agendum 1. "agenda" taken up [from addison]
15:04:53 <addison> agenda?
15:05:30 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:05:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from addison]
15:05:36 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:05:45 <Klensin> present+ JcK
15:06:05 <addison> close action-614
15:06:05 <trackbot> Closed action-614.
15:06:55 <addison> action-643?
15:06:55 <trackbot> action-643 -- Richard Ishida to Close ttml issues -- due 2017-08-24 -- OPEN
15:06:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/643
15:07:08 <addison> richard: a couple where there need to make notes, so haven't closed those
15:07:11 <addison> close action-643
15:07:11 <trackbot> Closed action-643.
15:07:24 <addison> action-644?
15:07:24 <trackbot> action-644 -- Richard Ishida to Add the language use case to string meta article -- due 2017-08-24 -- OPEN
15:07:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/644
15:07:26 <addison> close action-644
15:07:26 <trackbot> Closed action-644.
15:07:34 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:07:34 <Zakim> agendum 3. "info share" taken up [from addison]
15:07:55 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Aug/0018.html
15:08:18 <addison> richard: advanced publishing lab set up
15:08:22 <addison> ... links have info
15:08:31 <addison> ... using jlreq as a source for some of the work they do
15:08:49 <addison> ... hopefully doing gap analysis and looking at things that need to be priortized and worked on
15:09:05 <addison> addison: possiblity of contributing upates to jlreq?
15:09:13 <addison> richard: hoping that might happen, floated idea
15:09:20 <addison> ... want to form a task force at w3c at some point
15:09:33 <addison> ... to make gap analysis happen, probably not until next year
15:09:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/08/24-i18n-minutes.html addison
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15:10:12 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/language-matrix.html
15:10:27 <addison> richard: been thinking about things related to how we handle requirements side of stuff
15:10:40 <addison> ... motivated by discussions about improving funding, etc. for i18n
15:10:59 <addison> ... one of the question is: can we not say the top 100 languages in the world
15:11:08 <addison> ... these are supported at level x or y
15:11:13 <addison> ... these not supported, etc.
15:11:18 <addison> ... playing with ideas
15:11:22 <addison> ... not straightforward
15:11:32 <addison> ... sometimes there's only one feature broken
15:11:37 <addison> ... sometimes the language but not the dialects
15:11:42 <addison> ... language in 2 scripts, etc.
15:11:50 <addison> ... which tech css, html, etc.
15:12:01 <addison> ... all those problems, but seems like interesting exercise
15:12:13 <addison> ... above link is early mock up of what it could look like
15:13:38 <addison> richard: colors indicate ability to use language on the web
15:13:46 <addison> ... throw that out in case anyone has ideas
15:13:54 <addison> ... if you scroll down to Javanese
15:14:23 <addison> ... link there is to a mockup of gap analysis
15:14:35 <addison> ... type in description of issues if any
15:14:39 <addison> ... could get input that way
15:14:50 <addison> ... also occured as a better way to do TF work
15:15:03 <addison> ... better than trying to document how script works
15:15:16 <addison> ... maybe start with gap analysis, quicker
15:15:22 <addison> ... and then doc requirements to fill gaps
15:15:22 <David> Zakim, present+
15:15:29 <addison> ... any thoughts?
15:15:50 <addison> jck: one comment, need to handle carefully the choice of languages
15:23:27 <addison> bert: is this for working groups or for content authors?
15:23:42 <addison> richard: this is from jeff jaffe's idea to some degree
15:23:57 <addison> ... original impetus, but from me, I would hope this would provoke people to work on gaps
15:24:03 <addison> ... come to grips with gaps
15:24:21 <addison> ... probably need to be tech specific
15:24:29 <addison> ... page on javanese for example is on html/css
15:24:37 <addison> ... for people who want to use on the web
15:24:45 <addison> ... could be ordinary users
15:24:59 <addison> ... but also define advanced users, as defined by speakers
15:25:10 <addison> ... like dealing with paged media, such as ebooks
15:25:15 <addison> ... covers a range of people
15:25:48 <addison> agenda?
15:26:05 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:26:05 <Zakim> agendum 4. "radar and active work review" taken up [from addison]
15:26:11 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
15:29:10 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:30:02 <addison> agenda?
15:30:16 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
15:30:16 <Zakim> agendum 8. "https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/2945" taken up [from r12a]
15:30:43 <addison> issue title: Hinting at a translation language for outgoing links
15:30:51 <addison> the issue title: Hinting at a translation language for outgoing links
15:31:27 <addison> richard: links from an Indian page to an English article, browser may not be set to request their language
15:31:58 <addison> ... wouldn't it be good if content-author could put in a tag that says "translate this content to language xxx"
15:32:20 <addison> addison: that would result in an Accept-Language header?
15:32:40 <addison> richard: they haven't talked about that bit
15:32:54 <addison> ... plenty of cases where it's not a good idea
15:33:13 <addison> ... how could you know what language I prefer to read the page in?
15:34:27 <addison> addison: probably want options for "in the language of this page" and "in the language my browser it set to"
15:34:36 <addison> richard: a lot of browsers are set wrong
15:36:41 <addison> richard: make it easier to use language settings in browsers
15:38:04 <addison> addison: opposite of what browser vendors have been doing
15:38:35 <addison> action: addison: remind working group to read whatwg html issue 2945 for discussion next telecon
15:38:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-645 - Remind working group to read whatwg html issue 2945 for discussion next telecon [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-08-31].
15:38:50 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:38:50 <Zakim> agendum 5. "string-meta" taken up [from addison]
15:38:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/08/24-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:39:29 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/string-meta/
15:40:27 <addison> richard: some descriptions of things that don't work. do we need to add?
15:40:29 <addison> addison: yes
15:41:06 <addison> richard: sent a bunch of comments in a pull request
15:41:35 <addison> addison: will review
15:42:45 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/strings-and-bidi/index.en
15:42:46 <addison> richard: strings and bidi article
15:42:55 <addison> ... can take an action
15:43:01 <addison> ... been out for wide review, should we publish
15:43:12 <addison> Topic: strings and bidi article
15:43:37 <addison> addison: any objections to publishing"
15:43:49 <addison> action: richard: publish strings-and-bidi article
15:43:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-646 - Publish strings-and-bidi article [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-08-31].
15:44:02 <addison> richard: will publish panels/cards as images (alas!)
15:44:41 <addison> addison: have the html source somewhere?
15:44:52 <addison> richard: try to figure it out, "see how it works in your browser"
15:45:50 <addison> richard: wanted to do this for months, perhaps years
15:46:02 <addison> ... gather all the issues in one place
15:46:22 <addison> ... if you think of other issues, please let me know!!
15:46:27 <addison> agenda?
15:46:38 <addison> Topic: AOB?
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15:47:31 <addison> zakim, bye
15:47:31 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JcK, Bert, r12a, David, Addison, (IRC, only), Steven
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15:47:41 <addison> rrsagent, make minutes
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