IRC log of i18n on 2017-08-24

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zakim, delete agendum 6
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agendum 6, escapes article update, dropped
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zakim, delete agendum 7
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agendum 7, TTML issue closing, dropped
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trackbot, prepare teleconference
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 24 August 2017
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: addison
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present+ Steven
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zakim, who is here?
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Present: JcK, Bert, r12a, David, Addison, (IRC, only), Steven
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On IRC I see Steve_Atkin, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, bigbluehat, Bert, Zakim, trackbot, fantasai, koji
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "agenda" taken up [from addison]
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from addison]
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present+ JcK
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close action-614
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Closed action-614.
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action-643 -- Richard Ishida to Close ttml issues -- due 2017-08-24 -- OPEN
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richard: a couple where there need to make notes, so haven't closed those
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close action-643
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Closed action-643.
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action-644 -- Richard Ishida to Add the language use case to string meta article -- due 2017-08-24 -- OPEN
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close action-644
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Closed action-644.
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "info share" taken up [from addison]
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richard: advanced publishing lab set up
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... links have info
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... using jlreq as a source for some of the work they do
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... hopefully doing gap analysis and looking at things that need to be priortized and worked on
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addison: possiblity of contributing upates to jlreq?
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richard: hoping that might happen, floated idea
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... want to form a task force at w3c at some point
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... to make gap analysis happen, probably not until next year
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richard: been thinking about things related to how we handle requirements side of stuff
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... motivated by discussions about improving funding, etc. for i18n
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... one of the question is: can we not say the top 100 languages in the world
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... these are supported at level x or y
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... these not supported, etc.
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... playing with ideas
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... not straightforward
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... sometimes there's only one feature broken
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... sometimes the language but not the dialects
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... language in 2 scripts, etc.
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... which tech css, html, etc.
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... all those problems, but seems like interesting exercise
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... above link is early mock up of what it could look like
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richard: colors indicate ability to use language on the web
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... throw that out in case anyone has ideas
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... if you scroll down to Javanese
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... link there is to a mockup of gap analysis
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... type in description of issues if any
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... could get input that way
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... also occured as a better way to do TF work
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... better than trying to document how script works
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... maybe start with gap analysis, quicker
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... and then doc requirements to fill gaps
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Zakim, present+
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... any thoughts?
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jck: one comment, need to handle carefully the choice of languages
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bert: is this for working groups or for content authors?
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richard: this is from jeff jaffe's idea to some degree
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... original impetus, but from me, I would hope this would provoke people to work on gaps
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... come to grips with gaps
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... probably need to be tech specific
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... page on javanese for example is on html/css
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... for people who want to use on the web
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... could be ordinary users
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... but also define advanced users, as defined by speakers
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... like dealing with paged media, such as ebooks
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... covers a range of people
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "radar and active work review" taken up [from addison]
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zakim, take up agendum 8
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agendum 8. "" taken up [from r12a]
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issue title: Hinting at a translation language for outgoing links
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the issue title: Hinting at a translation language for outgoing links
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richard: links from an Indian page to an English article, browser may not be set to request their language
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... wouldn't it be good if content-author could put in a tag that says "translate this content to language xxx"
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addison: that would result in an Accept-Language header?
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richard: they haven't talked about that bit
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... plenty of cases where it's not a good idea
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... how could you know what language I prefer to read the page in?
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addison: probably want options for "in the language of this page" and "in the language my browser it set to"
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richard: a lot of browsers are set wrong
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richard: make it easier to use language settings in browsers
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addison: opposite of what browser vendors have been doing
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action: addison: remind working group to read whatwg html issue 2945 for discussion next telecon
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Created ACTION-645 - Remind working group to read whatwg html issue 2945 for discussion next telecon [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-08-31].
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zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "string-meta" taken up [from addison]
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I have made the request to generate addison
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richard: some descriptions of things that don't work. do we need to add?
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addison: yes
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richard: sent a bunch of comments in a pull request
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addison: will review
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richard: strings and bidi article
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... can take an action
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... been out for wide review, should we publish
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Topic: strings and bidi article
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addison: any objections to publishing"
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action: richard: publish strings-and-bidi article
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Created ACTION-646 - Publish strings-and-bidi article [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-08-31].
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richard: will publish panels/cards as images (alas!)
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addison: have the html source somewhere?
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richard: try to figure it out, "see how it works in your browser"
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richard: wanted to do this for months, perhaps years
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... gather all the issues in one place
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... if you think of other issues, please let me know!!
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Topic: AOB?
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been JcK, Bert, r12a, David, Addison, (IRC, only), Steven
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