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13:57:51 <dsr> meeting: Data Exchange Working Group
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13:58:48 <Caroline> Present+
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14:00:32 <dsr> present+ Simon_Cox
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14:01:02 <dsr> chair: Caroline
14:01:47 <dsr> present+ roba
14:01:49 <roba> present+ Rob_Atkinson
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14:02:44 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.08.14
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14:03:00 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/08/07-dxwg-minutes
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14:03:32 <SimonCox> Motion: to approve minutes from last week https://www.w3.org/2017/08/07-dxwg-minutes
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14:04:14 <Thomas> present+
14:04:34 <roba> +1
14:04:41 <Caroline> +1
14:04:50 <Caroline> APPROVE: minutes from last week https://www.w3.org/2017/08/07-dxwg-minutes
14:04:55 <annette_g> +1
14:05:01 <SimonCox> NOTUC?
14:05:15 <SimonCox> Resolved: minutes of last meeting https://www.w3.org/2017/08/07-dxwg-minutes
14:05:17 <annette_g> Present+ annette_g
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14:07:01 <SimonCox> @kar
14:07:23 <SimonCox> karen: progress to deliverables
14:07:45 <SimonCox> scribe: SimonCox
14:07:48 <Caroline> s/karen/kcoyle
14:08:38 <SimonCox> Caroline: implementation report - after we have all document outputs, need to meet W3C criteria
14:08:52 <SimonCox> ... to prove adoption in 2 places
14:09:16 <SimonCox> ... 1. vocabulary update, 2. Content negotiation, 3. profiles
14:10:01 <Caroline> q?
14:10:02 <SimonCox> ... UCR editors will enumerate requirements, which must be clear in advance of production of output documents
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14:10:34 <SimonCox> TOPIC: UCR group reports
14:11:03 <Caroline> ack roba
14:11:24 <SimonCox> roba: has been working trhough requirements, de-duplicating
14:11:38 <SimonCox> ... cross-referencing to come
14:11:52 <SimonCox> ... deep editorial work from ixchel
14:12:05 <SimonCox> ... some contributions from others viw pull-requests
14:12:21 <SimonCox> ... invitations sought from anyone else who is interested
14:12:21 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:12:49 <Caroline> ack Ixchel
14:13:12 <SimonCox> Ixchel: mostly working on editing how reqs are described
14:13:20 <Caroline> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:14:09 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: Did you find a methdology how to update and add new input? esp. Wiki vs GitHub
14:14:11 <kcoyle> q+
14:14:32 <Caroline> ack kcoyle
14:14:34 <SimonCox> ... (alejandra provided a GitHub template for new issues)
14:14:48 <alejandra> note that the template is the same template as before
14:14:53 <SimonCox> kcoyle: q+
14:15:00 <alejandra> only that it is not provided in the github issues
14:15:04 <SimonCox> q+
14:15:08 <alejandra> s/not/now
14:15:36 <SimonCox> kcoyle: new UCs use GitHub, only editors accept changes to document
14:16:20 <Caroline> ack SimonCox
14:16:34 <newton> present+
14:17:12 <Caroline> SimonCox: I submited an use case on the wiki and I sent an annoucement on the Github as a issue
14:17:34 <Caroline> ... I added I new issue under the old method
14:17:40 <Caroline> s/Github/
14:18:10 <Caroline> s/Github/Github
14:18:31 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/17
14:18:32 <Caroline> ... issue 17 on Github is about that
14:18:39 <Caroline> q?
14:19:27 <Caroline> roba: it is annouced to me and I am happy to work on it
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14:20:23 <SimonCox> roba: had noticed this - not processed yet - hadn't been discussed and adopted by groupo
14:20:31 <SimonCox> s/groupo/group/
14:20:39 <alejandra> +q
14:20:48 <Caroline> ack alejandra
14:21:11 <SimonCox> roba: what is expectation about process? shoudl they need discussing before adding to UCR document?
14:22:07 <Caroline> q?
14:22:30 <Caroline> ack alejandra
14:22:58 <SimonCox> alejandra: will poll group for meetings of UCR editors - likely September
14:23:08 <SimonCox> s/UCR/DCAT/
14:23:23 <roba> q+
14:23:35 <SimonCox> ... has started tabulation of known Application Profiles
14:23:40 <Caroline> ack roba
14:24:14 <SimonCox> roba: spreadsheet only relates to AP activity so far? will be updated to other requirements in due course
14:24:42 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:24:56 <kcoyle> q+
14:25:03 <SimonCox> alejandra: michael from Fraunhofer has done analysis, will be incorporated in due course
14:25:16 <SimonCox> ... spreadsheet was just exercise to list elements in profiles
14:25:46 <Caroline> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:26:28 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: has spoken with michael about comparison of profiles, also usage (in Europe)
14:27:00 <SimonCox> ... analysis of usage in repositories, will provide us with relevant input, including 'national extensions'
14:27:04 <Caroline> ack kcoyle
14:27:30 <SimonCox> kcoyle: ask that links from the wiki be added to these documents
14:27:59 <alejandra> I already listed the spreadsheet in the wiki
14:28:11 <SimonCox> Action: alejandra to add link to spreadsheet from wiki
14:28:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Add link to spreadsheet from wiki [on Alejandra Gonzalez Beltran - due 2017-08-21].
14:28:48 <SimonCox> alreay done
14:28:50 <Caroline> q?
14:29:00 <SimonCox> close ACTION-33
14:29:00 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-33.
14:29:19 <alejandra> This is where the link to the spreadsheet and list of existing application profiles is:  https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Guidance_on_publishing_application_profiles_of_vocabularies
14:29:35 <SimonCox> s/alreay/alejandra already/
14:30:53 <SimonCox> open actions https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
14:31:29 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/5
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14:35:40 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#ID46
14:35:49 <SimonCox> Topic: UC-46 ID46
14:36:43 <SimonCox> q+
14:36:55 <mbruemmer> q+
14:37:07 <Caroline> ack SimonCox
14:37:28 <Caroline> SimonCox: what is the target of those requirements?
14:37:42 <Caroline> ... particularly the first one
14:37:59 <roba> q+
14:38:08 <Caroline> ... are you suggesting that one of the outuputs would be to find users directions?
14:38:13 <Caroline> kcoyle: this is documentation
14:38:22 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:38:45 <Caroline> SimonCox: defining a user experience I am not confortable that is in the scope
14:38:59 <Caroline> kcoyle: this is not the user eperience. This is where the vocabulary is defined
14:39:03 <annette_g> Q+
14:39:20 <Caroline> ... is providing that information along the vocabulary
14:39:47 <Caroline> SimonCox: we need to make sure it is not fully open ended
14:39:49 <roba> i have tried to deal with these issues in requirements consolidation
14:40:04 <Caroline> ... the way it is written now it feels open ended
14:40:10 <alejandra> +q
14:40:15 <Caroline> ... the 2nd and 3rd requirements it is good
14:40:58 <Caroline> ... user experience I wouls suggest it is out of scope
14:41:59 <Caroline> ack roba
14:43:15 <SimonCox> roba: has treated this as a general requirement for specifying a profile
14:43:34 <SimonCox> ... (kind of recursive)
14:43:46 <alejandra> for vocabularies, there is a specific use case: ID41
14:44:04 <SimonCox> ... profiles must include a defined set of documentation/annotation
14:44:20 <SimonCox> ... multiple use-cases have a common set of requirements
14:44:36 <Caroline> ack mbruemmer
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14:44:54 <SimonCox> ... ID46 draws out this common requirement from multiple uc's
14:45:42 <SimonCox> mbruemmer: example - use SHACL to assist with input forms
14:45:47 <Caroline> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:46:45 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: lost of requirements overlap; ID46 is editor-oriented, hints on which sort of input is expected
14:47:05 <SimonCox> ... ID46 synthesizes requirements from multiple uc's
14:47:10 <Caroline> ack annette_g
14:47:55 <Caroline> ack alejandra
14:48:03 <SimonCox> annette_g: ID46 is good UC - request specific profile and use its description to generate an interface
14:48:24 <roba> q+
14:49:09 <SimonCox> alejandra: important to help UI development, but unclear what goes where
14:49:35 <kcoyle> q+
14:49:37 <Caroline> ack roba
14:49:43 <SimonCox> ... is this within an applicatoin-profile definition, e.g. definition of terms belongs in a vocabulary, not an application profile
14:50:29 <Caroline> ack kcoyle
14:50:32 <kcoyle> q-
14:50:35 <SimonCox> roba: back to process, is ID46 a good UC? can discuss detail later when assessing all the consoldiated requirements
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14:50:51 <SimonCox> proposed: accept ID46
14:50:58 <kcoyle> +1
14:50:59 <mbruemmer> +1
14:50:59 <Thomas> +1
14:50:59 <roba> +1
14:51:00 <SimonCox> +1
14:51:01 <LarsG> +1
14:51:03 <Caroline> +1
14:51:03 <newton> +1
14:51:07 <annette_g> +1
14:51:08 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
14:51:08 <dsr> +1
14:51:16 <alejandra> -1
14:52:16 <SimonCox> alejandra: important that we are clear that intention of problem statement is that AP 'has human readable definitions'
14:52:40 <annette_g> q+
14:52:42 <SimonCox> roba: implementation choices - 'definitions are available' - mechanisms may vary
14:53:06 <alejandra> how does it differ from https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Vocabulary_constraints_.5BID41.5D
14:53:19 <SimonCox> ... may be in profile, or in vocabulary (for example)
14:53:28 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:55:00 <SimonCox> kcoyle: ID46 differs from ID41 - human-readable vs testable
14:55:22 <SimonCox> ... e.g dc:title can be used for a person's name
14:55:45 <alejandra> changing vote to +1
14:55:49 <SimonCox> resolved: UC ID46 accepted
14:56:16 <Caroline> ack annette_g
14:57:10 <Caroline> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:57:16 <SimonCox> NB UC is in scope, requirements to be clarified later (in all cases!)
14:57:53 <SimonCox> resolved:
14:58:10 <SimonCox> resolved: accept ID46
14:58:54 <SimonCox> Caroline: no more time to discuss UCs
14:59:19 <SimonCox> ... please raise UCs on mailing list to move discussion forward ahead of next meeting
14:59:29 <SimonCox> thanks all for joining call
14:59:38 <Caroline> bye!
14:59:39 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye
14:59:42 <LarsG> bye
14:59:42 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
14:59:45 <kcoyle> rssagent please generate minutes v2
14:59:50 <SimonCox> zakim, please generate minutes
14:59:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please generate minutes', SimonCox
15:00:24 <kcoyle> rrsagent, create the minutes v2
15:00:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/08/14-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
15:00:35 <SimonCox> thanks kcoyle
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