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12:02:28 <kaz> Meeting: WoT IG/WG
12:02:34 <McCool> present+ Michael_McCool
12:02:48 <nwidell> present+ Niklas_Widell
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12:03:10 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Dave_Raggett, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool, Niklas_Widell, Taki_Kamiya, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Uday_Davuluru
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12:04:04 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda
12:04:45 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Darko_Anicic, Kazuo_Kajimoto, Matthias_Kovatsch, Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:05:30 <kaz> scribenick: dape
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12:07:20 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#2_Aug_2017
12:07:34 <dape> TOPIC: Quick Updates  & Agenda bashing
12:08:15 <dape> MK: any quick updates?
12:08:26 <dape> <none>
12:08:34 <dape> TOPIC: TPAC
12:08:55 <dape> MMC: logistical problem... big concert
12:09:11 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/ TPAC page
12:09:12 <dape> ... hotels are very expensive (600USD)
12:09:36 <dape> ... propose to make reservation soon
12:09:52 <dape> ... need to figure out where the PlugFest gonna be
12:10:04 <dape> ... PlugFest weekend before.. not sure where yet
12:10:12 <dape> ... 2 day PlugFest
12:10:23 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_4-10_November_2017,_Burlingame,_CA,_USA
12:10:24 <kaz> q+
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12:10:46 <dape> ... suggest staying down town.. and taking train..
12:11:04 <dape> ... deadline for TPAC is October 6
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12:11:46 <dape> ... w.r.t. work with Amazon... still need to sort that out
12:11:59 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2017/?login TPAC registration
12:12:06 <dape> ... if anyone (local organizer) can help ... any help is appreciated
12:12:23 <dape> MK: Koster, you could help out.. since your are local?
12:12:37 <dape> Koster: Yes... I am local
12:13:08 <dape> MK: not sure about down town... given that event is there
12:13:34 <dape> MMC: Koster, maybe you can make some proposals where to meet
12:14:12 <dape> ... a possibility could be hotels nearby... but we do not have sponsor for the PlugFest
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12:14:57 <dape> ... Holiday Inn e.g., seems acceptable
12:15:17 <dape> ... Amazon offering for free would be even better
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12:15:54 <dape> Koster: Can make phone call (conference room for 20 people etc)
12:16:23 <dape> MMC: Web of Things has meetings on Monday/Tuesday
12:16:25 <kaz> q?
12:16:38 <dape> ... Wednesday is plennary session and our demo
12:16:53 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/schedule.html TPAC schedule
12:17:05 <dape> ... Thursdays there are security meetings (3 different groups)
12:17:20 <dape> ... I plan to stay on Thursday.. not on Friday
12:17:45 <dape> MK: We are also try to plan the trip as soon as possible
12:17:59 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_4-10_November_2017,_Burlingame,_CA,_USA
12:18:01 <dape> MK: I created wiki page
12:18:19 <dape> ... any other questions?
12:18:20 <mkovatsc> q?
12:18:39 <dape> Kaz: wanted to confirm that we would like to have demo session
12:19:04 <dape> ... people need to bring devices to the meeting hotel
12:19:16 <dape> MK: Do we have got a confirmation for demo session
12:19:30 <dape> Kaz: not yet, ... will talk to meeting planner team
12:19:40 <kaz> Vagabond Inn, Red Roof Inn, La Quinta Inn & Suites
12:19:51 <dape> Kaz: 2nd point. there are several cheep hotels nearby
12:20:27 <dape> MMC: also those were quiet expensive
12:20:51 <dape> Kaz: got good results from booking.com
12:20:55 <kaz> s/quiet/quite/
12:21:24 <kaz> s/team/team including the need for preparation in Tuesday evening/
12:21:32 <dape> MK: Just had editors call
12:21:41 <dape> ... some discussion on content
12:22:02 <dape> ... anything to share in the "big" round?
12:22:06 <mkovatsc> q?
12:22:14 <kaz> ack k
12:22:29 <dape> MK: No updates to share at the moment..
12:22:49 <kaz> present+ Masato_Ohura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Keiichi_Tokuyama
12:23:03 <dape> ... WoT architecture document close to publication https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/
12:23:03 <mkovatsc> https://w3c.github.io/wot-architecture/
12:23:21 <mkovatsc> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture
12:23:38 <dape> ... please send in also minor issues
12:23:59 <dape> MK: be aware of "pre" drafts
12:24:06 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/WG/
12:24:07 <dape> ... will try to fix that
12:24:15 <kaz> s|https://w3c|WG doc https://w3c|
12:24:30 <dape> MMC: wiki page with link to the main documents?
12:24:31 <kaz> s|https://github|IG doc https://github|
12:24:49 <dape> MMC: similarly with TD content in 2 places
12:25:21 <dape> SK: we will move over the content .. will inform the group once the version is ready for review
12:25:41 <mkovatsc> q?
12:25:46 <dape> TOPIC: Draft Web page make-over
12:25:58 <dape> MK: can show some updates
12:26:19 <dape> <MK shows web UI draft>
12:26:35 <dape> ... I added community group (3 column design)
12:26:40 <kaz> present+ Katsuyoshi_Naka, Kazuaki_Nimura
12:27:11 <dape> ... CG, IG and WG on first row
12:27:42 <dape> ... second row GettingStarted, Developer and Member(wiki)
12:28:16 <dape> ... clean-up of wiki needs to follow
12:29:09 <dape> <Matthias shows details about IG group>
12:29:27 <mkovatsc> q?
12:30:02 <dape> MK: renaming initial documents e.g, for Architecture ?
12:30:11 <dape> MMC: maybe add IG up-front
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12:30:46 <dape> MMC: comment. under member 2 things
12:30:53 <dape> ...1 information for members
12:31:00 <kaz> q+
12:31:01 <dape> ...2 how to become a member
12:31:30 <dape> MK: "member" of "what"... IG, /WG, CG , W3C etc cetera
12:31:45 <dsr> q+
12:31:47 <dape> MCC: I see, .. member only information
12:32:42 <dape> <discussions about wiki and reference material>
12:33:11 <dape> MCC: Wonder whether we need the "Members" page
12:33:22 <nwidell> q+
12:33:34 <dape> MK: could rename it...
12:33:35 <kaz> q?
12:33:42 <dape> MCC: maybe name it "meetings"
12:33:50 <kaz> q?
12:34:32 <dape> MK: DP also reached out to original template designer
12:35:13 <dape> ... HTML content and JS
12:36:01 <kaz> q?
12:36:09 <dape> DP: wonder whether we need permission
12:36:17 <dape> Kaz: will check with Francious
12:36:44 <dape> Kaz: W3C team uses term "Member" for W3C members and group participants
12:37:02 <dape> ... maybe we can rename it
12:37:10 <McCool> Participation
12:38:00 <McCool> {Calls and Meetings,Members} -> Participation
12:38:20 <kaz> participants = those who participate in the groups
12:38:31 <kaz> members (or Members) = W3C Members
12:38:41 <dape> Kajimoto: about terminology - please provide advice/examples
12:39:00 <kaz> s/Fransious/Francois/
12:39:04 <dape> MK: We still need to show that to the communication team
12:39:12 <dape> ... maybe they can check terminology
12:39:58 <dape> DP: which team is that?
12:40:10 <dape> MK: Naomi and others
12:40:24 <dape> ... marketing and communication team
12:40:42 <dape> ... will check with here
12:41:12 <dape> Kaz: can make configuration on W3C server to link to this documents on github
12:41:49 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/TR/#w3c_all
12:42:15 <dape> Kaz: like W3C techical report page .... mark obsolete  documents
12:43:33 <dape> <Matthias shows https://w3c.github.io/media-web-roadmap/>
12:44:03 <dape> q?
12:44:39 <dape> Kaz: template not yet standardized
12:44:57 <dape> Dave: we can still improve the default W3C template
12:45:49 <kaz> ack k
12:46:17 <dape> MK: we might want to reference the implementations once we have more than 1
12:46:33 <dape> MCC: need to publicly available implementations
12:46:51 <dape> MK: 2, one of those must be publicly available
12:47:18 <dape> <discussions about how to link implementations>
12:47:29 <dape> q?
12:48:27 <dape> MK: Kajimoto, how would you feel your company/implementation named on such a page
12:48:34 <dape> Kajimoto: acceptable by us
12:48:45 <mkovatsc> q?
12:49:08 <dape> Dave: on the front page... there is getting started..
12:49:21 <dape> ... i think we might need a link to a blog
12:50:04 <dape> MK: in the CG there is a blog/report system... maybe we can re-use that system
12:50:41 <dape> Dave: could check with the communication team
12:51:00 <dape> MK: Try to reduce the number of look and feel
12:51:33 <dape> Dave: correct, can try to look whether we can integrate the blog in the same look&feel
12:51:44 <kaz> present+ Achille_Zappa
12:52:35 <dape> MK: Agree that having blog is good..just need to ensure that it is up-to-date
12:53:05 <dape> Dave: that is our due
12:53:19 <dape> ... i can try to organize/help with that
12:53:36 <dape> q?
12:53:45 <dape> ack dsr
12:53:59 <mkovatsc> q?
12:54:02 <dape> MK: will check with communication team
12:54:13 <kaz> ack nw
12:54:32 <dape> Niklas: I prefer to to have spec material on the top of the page
12:54:43 <dape> MK: OK
12:54:54 <kaz> s/to to have/having/
12:55:19 <dape> Niklas: or shorten the table to see the material immediately
12:55:43 <dape> MK: Can play around with the design
12:57:38 <dape> Niklas: external people are most likely technical people looking for the specs first
12:58:01 <mkovatsc> q?
12:58:27 <dape> Niklas: do you explain the difference of the various groups?
12:58:55 <dape> MK: In the beginning there is a short information... clicking on a group you get more detailed information
12:59:31 <dape> MK: Still need to define the role of the CG?
13:00:06 <dape> Koster: Have charter for iotschema... need to work on CG
13:00:27 <dape> MK: just some lines for the purpose of the group would be fine for now
13:00:36 <kaz> q+
13:00:44 <dape> q+
13:00:52 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/community/wot/charter/ WoT CG Charter page
13:01:09 <dape> Kaz: CG has charter document page... we can update the page as well
13:01:33 <dape> MK: Quick start say "no charter required"
13:01:46 <dape> Kaz: Correct.. but CG can have charter
13:02:23 <dape> q?
13:02:29 <kaz> ack k
13:03:12 <McCool> q+
13:03:26 <dape> Koster: iotschema definition and other tasks belong there
13:03:31 <McCool> q-
13:03:37 <mkovatsc> q?
13:03:49 <kaz> q+ kajimoto
13:03:52 <kaz> ack k
13:04:27 <dape> Kajimoto: Question: we have top WoT page... who creates links to the page
13:04:49 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/WoT/
13:04:54 <dape> MK: We will replace old content with new page
13:05:03 <kaz> q?
13:05:44 <dape> DP: wonder about order of groups.. WG first?
13:05:49 <kaz> +1
13:05:57 <dape> MK: No strong opinion either
13:06:41 <dape> ack dape
13:06:58 <kaz> "W3C Recommendations"
13:07:04 <dape> >fine tuning of header texts<
13:07:36 <kaz> s/Recommendations"/Recommendations" instead of "deliverables"/
13:07:56 <dape> MK: will put it online on github branch
13:08:04 <dape> ... will contact Naomi also
13:08:17 <mkovatsc> q?
13:08:19 <dape> ... will wait for answers.. also from Francous
13:08:33 <kaz> s/Francous/Francois/
13:08:46 <dape> adjorned
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