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12:33:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
12:33:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
12:33:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Hebrew Layout Task Force Teleconference
12:33:37 <trackbot> Date: 01 August 2017
12:34:39 <Lina> present+ Lina
12:34:47 <Lina> agenda+ Administrative stuff
12:34:57 <Lina> agenda?
12:35:10 <Lina> agenda- 1
12:35:13 <Lina> agenda?
12:35:31 <Lina> agenda- 2
12:35:35 <Lina> agenda?
12:35:41 <Lina> agenda+ Administrative stuff
12:35:50 <Lina> agenda?
12:36:53 <Lina> agenda+ Ongoing discussion on text layout and typography aspects
12:37:22 <Lina> zakim, who's here ?
12:37:22 <Zakim> Present: Lina, Amir
12:37:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Lina, Zakim, trackbot
12:37:38 <Lina> present- Amir
12:37:40 <Lina> zakim, who's here ?
12:37:40 <Zakim> Present: Lina
12:37:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Lina, Zakim, trackbot
12:39:52 <Lina> relevancy and scope for Hebrew http://w3c.github.io/typography/
12:51:31 <Lina> Arabic Text Layout and Typography requirements: https://github.com/w3c/alreq
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13:03:32 <r12a> Lina, meeting ?
13:03:47 <r12a> trackbot, start meeting
13:03:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:03:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
13:03:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Hebrew Layout Task Force Teleconference
13:03:53 <trackbot> Date: 01 August 2017
13:03:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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13:04:19 <Lina> hi
13:04:30 <Lina> I started the meeting already I think
13:04:36 <r12a> ah, ok
13:04:39 <doron> Hi Lina - you're not on the audio call (webex) yet?
13:04:55 <Lina> had no luck, Will try to join again
13:05:00 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:05:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/08/01-hlreq-minutes.html r12a
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13:05:52 <r12a> present+ r12a, Doron
13:06:09 <Lina> what's the access code?  645 433 142?
13:06:38 <r12a> +1-617-324-0000
13:06:43 <Lina> yes
13:06:47 <Lina> access code?
13:06:49 <r12a> access code is 641 207 468
13:08:46 <doron> present+ doron
13:10:20 <Lina> agenda?
13:12:19 <Lina> Richard: to reset adenda items numbering, type 'zakim, bye'
13:13:28 <Lina> Action+ Amir to accept github invite
13:13:48 <r12a> Action: Amir to accept github invite
13:13:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Accept github invite [on Amir Aharoni - due 2017-08-08].
13:15:17 <Lina> Richard: makes sense to resend the agenda / reminder on the day of the meeting
13:15:27 <Lina> zakim, take up agendum 4
13:15:27 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Ongoing discussion on text layout and typography aspects" taken up [from Lina]
13:16:20 <Lina> http://w3c.github.io/typography/
13:17:50 <Lina> Quotation marks : „מירכאות נמוכות בהתחלה ‚נמוכות בודדות באמצע’ גבוהות כפולות בסוף”
13:18:18 <Lina> << >>
13:24:07 <Lina> Richard: intercharacter spacing:
13:24:48 <Lina> ... Arabic tend to stretch character glyph
13:26:23 <Lina> Doron: in Biblical / religious texts it's also used but quite rare
13:26:54 <Lina> ... it's used to be common in very old text but at present is not used
13:27:17 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/19
13:29:00 <Lina> Doron: interchartacter spacing may be used for emphasis even in modern texts
13:29:12 <Lina> ... but not common
13:29:36 <Lina> Richard: CSS means to achieve certain stretches
13:31:02 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/25
13:32:19 <Lina> Doron: this is actually not printing but handwriting
13:34:07 <Lina> Richard: even for Qur'anic texts is it there other means to accomplish stretching
13:35:23 <Lina> Diacritics: coverage
13:35:40 <Lina> Hebrew diacritic types: (1) niqud
13:36:08 <Lina> (2) geresh and gershayim - in the scope
13:37:07 <Lina> (3) cantillation, which used in Biblical texts - probably yes (Doron)
13:38:30 <Lina> Doron: cantillation is used nowadays so it makes sense to cover it
13:41:55 <Lina> Richard: We want to describe the script anyway, so cover cantillation marks. Even if CSS does not have means to regulate, we may want to suggest something new to CSS
13:44:20 <Lina> Richard: italization what is most important which way does the text leans
13:46:28 <Lina> Doron: italization is not inherent, was adopted
13:47:50 <Lina> Richard: if someone creates eBook, they should know what not to do
13:48:50 <Lina> Italization to be discussed
13:49:06 <Lina> (discussion to be continued)
13:51:15 <Lina> Cursive text: Lina will send some samples
13:52:01 <Lina> Richard: line breaking, how justification work for Hebrew, hyphenation
13:52:30 <Lina> ... - this are particularly important topics
13:54:08 <Lina> hyphenation rules in Hebrew: Doron have seen some rules
13:56:39 <Lina> Richard: First letter styling: align with the top of the first line or bottom or other positions
13:57:12 <Lina> ... important first letter sizing - e.g. in exact number of lines
13:58:03 <Lina> ... punctuation before the first letter - should it also be big or nor
13:59:28 <doron> present- doron
14:02:04 <Lina> Next meeting - in 2 weeks
14:07:05 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/hlreq/issues
14:09:33 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/hlreq/projects
14:10:30 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/projects/1
14:15:36 <Lina> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:15:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/08/01-hlreq-minutes.html Lina