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06:32:03 <kaz> Meeting: WoT WG - TD-TF
06:32:14 <kaz> present+ Kaz, Dave, Koster, Uday
06:32:49 <kaz> present+ Daniel
06:33:24 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#Agenda
06:33:34 <kaz> present+ Sebastian
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06:35:09 <dsr> present+
06:35:44 <kaz> scribenick: mjkoster
06:35:51 <kaz> regrets: Maria, Soumya
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06:36:25 <kaz> regrets+ Benjamin
06:36:51 <mjkoster> sebastian: invited Mozilla to talk about their TD proposal
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06:37:04 <DarkoAnicic> present+ DarkoAnicic
06:37:15 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/07/26-wot-minutes.html July 26 main call minutes
06:37:43 <mjkoster> ...topics: what is our feedback on the Mozilla proposal?
06:38:02 <mjkoster> ...what is needed in the TD update?
06:38:06 <kaz> i|invited Mozilla|topic: Summary of Wednesday's call about the member submission of Mozilla --> what are the next steps?|
06:38:10 <mjkoster> ... vocabulary
06:38:43 <mjkoster> ... issues and current status
06:38:54 <mjkoster> .. any other topics?
06:39:23 <mjkoster> ...1st point, what was the outcome?
06:39:26 <kaz> s|topic: Summary of Wednesday's call about the member submission of Mozilla --> what are the next steps?|topic: Agenda bashing|
06:39:39 <kaz> topic: Summary of Wednesday's call about the member submission of Mozilla --> what are the next steps?
06:39:41 <mjkoster> s/outcome/outcome of the Mozilla discussion
06:40:05 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/07/26-wot-minutes.html July 26 minutes
06:40:18 <kaz> q+
06:40:58 <kaz> -> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/06/building-the-web-of-things/ Ben's blog
06:41:25 <mjkoster> dsr: Mozilla prefer to contribute to the IG, since the approach is still being developed
06:41:30 <kaz> -> http://iot.mozilla.org/wot/ Ben's proposal
06:42:46 <mjkoster> sebastian: the Mozilla proposal is similar to Dave's proposal
06:45:39 <DarkoAnicic> q+
06:45:39 <kaz> present+ Achille_Zappa
06:45:45 <dape> q+
06:45:46 <mjkoster> mkoster: Mozilla produced an example with @context and @type used as an extension
06:46:07 <kaz> q?
06:47:19 <mjkoster> sebastian: seems like syntactic sugar
06:47:30 <kaz> ack darko
06:47:34 <mjkoster> dsr: syntactic sugar is important to developers
06:48:27 <mjkoster> darko: the reason for using RDF is extension to the harder use cases
06:48:44 <dsr> [We’ve seen the importance of notations with the dominance of Turtle vs RDF/XML and JSON vs XML
06:49:08 <mjkoster> darko: RDF is needed to process the data in the more complex applications
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06:49:44 <kaz> q-
06:49:45 <kaz> q+
06:50:05 <dsr> +q to note that it is very easy to formally convert JSON to triples using default context and a simple algorthm - we can easily apply validation and semantic processing
06:50:10 <mjkoster> darko: the usefulness for industry applications is more important than the way the file looks
06:51:04 <mjkoster> sebastian: there should be a default mapping to RDF from the simple json
06:51:16 <kaz> present+ Yongjing
06:52:37 <kaz> w?
06:52:39 <kaz> q?
06:52:41 <kaz> s/w?/
06:53:28 <mjkoster> dape: same comment as darko, the difference is marginal and potential large impact
06:54:08 <mjkoster> dape: can JSON-LD 1.1 and shape languages work together?
06:54:39 <mjkoster> dsr: shape constraints work on triples, so yes
06:55:16 <dape> ack dape
06:55:33 <mjkoster> sebastian: would like to hear from schema.org
06:56:17 <mjkoster> darko: they use rdfa on web pages
06:56:36 <kaz> q?
06:57:04 <kaz> ack k
06:57:13 <mjkoster> sebastian: the Mozilla proposal doesn't focus on mapping to RDF
06:57:27 <dsr> q-
06:58:10 <mjkoster> kaz: to summarize, Mozilla was not interested in scripting API but is interested in TD serialization and protocol binding
06:58:12 <dsr> q+
06:59:07 <kaz> kaz: @@2
06:59:15 <mjkoster> ... Matthias asked Mozilla to bring specific proposals to the IG, we can evaluate them at that time
06:59:47 <kaz> s/kaz: @@2//
07:00:30 <kaz> q?
07:00:33 <kaz> ack d
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07:00:55 <mjkoster> q+
07:01:16 <kaz> s/at that time/at that time. I also asked him to join the IG officially and he's now checking within Mozilla for the procedure./
07:01:28 <kaz> ack m
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07:03:08 <kaz> present+ Victor
07:04:21 <mjkoster> sebastian: also having the serialization discussion JSON-LD vs. ttl in iotschema
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07:04:29 <mjkoster> s/ttl/turtle
07:04:54 <mjkoster> topic: next TD deliverables
07:05:38 <mjkoster> ...dsr proposal for organizing deliverables; issue 19
07:06:15 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/19 issue 19
07:06:19 <mjkoster> dsr: follow best practices for vocabularies
07:07:41 <mjkoster> dsr: specification document describing the vocabulary and serialization
07:10:13 <mjkoster> victor: wrote a script to generate tables from the vocabulary files
07:10:21 <kaz> -> @@@ victor's write-up tbd
07:10:31 <kaz> q+
07:11:41 <mjkoster> victor: update the turtle file and automatically generate the HTML
07:12:22 <dape> q+ mention primer info
07:12:28 <dape> q+
07:12:48 <kaz> ack k
07:13:29 <mjkoster> kaz: would victor send the information to the member list?
07:13:44 <victor> https://github.com/vcharpenay/wot-thing-description
07:14:07 <mjkoster> kaz: also send email
07:14:41 <dsr> q+ to ask if we should put the script into the HTML for autogeneration of the vocab entries
07:14:54 <mjkoster> kaz: to clarify, the Mozilla document is not a member submission
07:15:05 <kaz> s/to clarify/btw, to clarify/
07:15:36 <mjkoster> dape: should there be a quick start in the beginning of the document, or a separate document?
07:16:01 <kaz> s/not a member submission/not an official W3C Member submission though it used the specific CSS and had a title of "member submission"./
07:16:04 <mjkoster> dsr: agree on separate primer document
07:16:54 <mjkoster> sebastian: JSON-LD has a good example of a primer
07:19:18 <dape> ack dape
07:19:47 <mjkoster> kaz: editor meeting doodle in progress, waiting for all of the responses
07:20:14 <mjkoster> ...so far August 2nd, 1pm Europe time
07:21:05 <mjkoster> topic: vocabularies in the TD name space
07:21:37 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/ns/td/ TD namespace file
07:22:45 <mjkoster> issues around how to organize the HTML, htaccess, etc
07:23:56 <mjkoster> victor: we need to decide on content negotiation for a set of media types
07:24:48 <mjkoster> s/types/types and directories
07:25:53 <mjkoster> kaz: clarify our requirements and talk with the W3C system team
07:26:32 <dsr> Best practice recipes for publishing RDF vocabularies https://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/
07:27:43 <dsr> which talks about apache .htaccess files
07:27:44 <DarkoAnicic> q+
07:27:48 <dsr> q-
07:29:05 <DarkoAnicic> WoT Onotolgy (current location): http://iot.linkeddata.es/def/wot/index-en.html already serves few formats, e.g., turtle, XML...
07:32:11 <mjkoster> topic: iotschema vocabulary
07:32:39 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/18 issue 18
07:32:59 <victor> q+
07:33:07 <mjkoster> sebastian: organize a plan of action so we can track the activity
07:33:11 <dsr> ack Dar
07:33:59 <kaz> s/clarify our requirements/let's clarify our requirements, e.g., on the Member list (member-wot-wg@w3.org)/
07:34:05 <mjkoster> ...including milestones
07:34:44 <mjkoster> ...also report/tracking of the protocol binding activity
07:35:04 <kaz> s/Europe time/Europe time is the best candidate because all the responded Editors can make it./
07:35:15 <kaz> q?
07:35:18 <mjkoster> ...also would like to set up the same for TD serialization
07:36:00 <mjkoster> ...metadata for protocol bindings and dynamic URIs - discussion for 3 weeks from now
07:36:30 <mjkoster> ...JSON-schema to RDF
07:37:05 <mjkoster> ...use github milestones
07:37:51 <kaz> q?
07:38:06 <kaz> ack v
07:38:58 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
07:39:13 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
07:39:17 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
07:39:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/28-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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