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16:38:59 <joanie> agenda?
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16:39:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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16:39:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
16:39:04 <trackbot> Date: 27 July 2017
16:39:20 <joanie> agenda: this
16:39:38 <joanie> agenda+ ARIA personalization task force has been created
16:39:39 <joanie> agenda+ ARIA in HTML review
16:39:39 <joanie> agenda+ Advancing Core AAM to CR
16:39:39 <joanie> agenda+ ARIA 1.1 "actions / status" check in
16:39:51 <joanie> agenda: be done
16:39:55 <joanie> agenda?
16:40:04 <joanie> Regrets: Job
16:40:12 <joanie> scribeOptions: -final
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16:44:52 <joanie> regrets+ Michiel
16:45:01 <joanie> RRSAgent, make minutes
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17:05:30 <MichaelC> present+
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17:07:45 <jongund> scribe: jongund
17:08:02 <jongund> zakim, next item
17:08:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ARIA personalization task force has been created" taken up [from joanie]
17:08:11 <joanie> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/task-forces/personalization/work-statement
17:08:43 <MichaelC> q+
17:08:46 <jongund> CP: I just joined, so I am trying to get my feet under solid ground
17:08:58 <jongund> CP: I am also on the publishing task force
17:08:59 <MichaelC> q+ to say a couple edits still to post
17:09:03 <MichaelC> q+ to stay still need CfC on the TF
17:09:20 <jongund> CP: We are all looking how we can work together and who will be part of the task force
17:09:25 <MichaelC> ack me
17:09:25 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say a couple edits still to post and to stay still need CfC on the TF
17:09:28 <Rich> q?
17:09:44 <jongund> MC: On the work statement I have made some edits, but not posted
17:10:06 <jongund> MC: Those will show up, but there is a problem updating
17:10:35 <jongund> MC: In my mind the task force is not officially started until there is some infrastrucutre
17:11:02 <jongund> Joanie: I'll take care of that
17:11:43 <jongund> MC: You and Lisa are co-chairs get hooked up
17:11:55 <jongund> ... discussion of a meeting time ...
17:12:26 <joanie> q?
17:12:34 <jongund> JD: Anything else on this topic?
17:12:38 <jongund> MC not from me
17:12:55 <jongund> zakim, next item
17:12:55 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ARIA in HTML review" taken up [from joanie]
17:13:22 <joanie> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Jul/0081.html
17:13:55 <jongund> JD: This is a reminder from LW about comments from the ARIA working group
17:14:35 <jongund> JD: There was a reply, but jointly by another group
17:14:57 <jongund> RS: AL has some comments about restirction
17:15:08 <jongund> JD: I did not see that as a part of this thread
17:15:32 <jongund> RS: There are some items that can be made read only due to scripting
17:16:01 <jongund> JD: It may be bad authoring, do we want to support bad authoring
17:16:10 <jongund> RS: It could also be marked disabled
17:16:41 <jongund> JD: There is something that says disabled is different than readonly
17:16:51 <jongund> JD: AL should send feedback to them
17:17:04 <jongund> RS: I talked to SF about this issue
17:17:22 <jongund> RS: We move that over to that group, we have enough on our plates
17:17:30 <jongund> JD: I will do that tomorrow
17:17:38 <jongund> JD: Anything else on this topic?
17:17:43 <jongund> zakim, next item
17:17:43 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Advancing Core AAM to CR" taken up [from joanie]
17:18:02 <joanie> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Core_AAM_1.1_Testable_Statements
17:18:30 <jongund> JD: I have a dedicated page for testable statements for AAM
17:18:43 <jongund> JD: Anything that is truely 1.1 ends in 1.1
17:18:53 <jongund> JD: There are notes in the wiki
17:19:09 <jongund> JD: My understanding for UIA we need to test everything
17:19:28 <jongund> JD: For other APIs we just want to just include 1.1
17:19:52 <jongund> JD: I think we will be able to do all sorts of test and then filter results for a specific report
17:20:32 <jongund> JD: For the properties, for the core AAM for the ARIA testable statements, even though they are not on the wiki....
17:21:07 <jongund> JD: I am still making changes and all of the tests are not in the wiki
17:21:48 <jongund> JD: We have an number of open issues, and mapping issues, until those are officially resolved we cannot advanced to CR
17:21:54 <jongund> RS: You should wait
17:22:07 <jongund> JD: Will we be in time for TPAC?
17:22:17 <jongund> MC: Let me look at the calculator tool
17:22:57 <jongund> JD: JG can you review and fix MSAA and IAccessible2 testable statements
17:23:15 <jongund> JD: I error on duplicating
17:23:38 <jongund> JG: I will look at the changes
17:24:34 <MichaelC> -> https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/?rec=2017-11-02 TPAC-oriented minimum publishing timelines
17:25:28 <jongund> MC: We need to enter CR by August 10th, this assumes minimal comments..
17:25:48 <jongund> MC: We cannot initial the RFC next week and still make TPAC
17:26:14 <jongund> JD: Approving is dependent on all the changes
17:26:26 <jongund> MC: People should be able to see the changes
17:26:51 <jongund> MC: A minimum is two days, but usually a week
17:27:08 <jongund> JD: Do I have to do it today or do I have until monday
17:27:31 <jongund> MC: 3 or 4 days is better than 2 days
17:28:07 <jongund> MC: Other delays may prevent publication by TPAC, there are many proceedural things that slow things down
17:28:24 <jongund> MC: I think we should say that we will not make TPAC, but shortly after
17:28:31 <jongund> MC: That is just advise
17:28:43 <jongund> JD: I appreciate that
17:29:26 <jongund> JD: Is the UIA column in the core AAM at risk?
17:29:55 <jongund> RS: I think there is some value leaving it at risk, MS will be doing manual testing
17:30:07 <jongund> RS: We have never been given timeline for it
17:30:38 <jongund> MC: We have a safety net if we mark it at rosk
17:30:59 <jongund> RS: We don't want to be held up if they don't test in a timely manner
17:31:22 <jongund> JD: I will give them a heads up and see if I can get a timeline
17:32:08 <jongund> JD: Is there a way to mark it at risk that doesn't require looking at every cell
17:32:35 <jongund> MC: There is no formality other than clearity
17:33:01 <jongund> MC: I should probably do a pull request with the at risk
17:33:10 <jongund> MC: I will set this up for me today
17:33:31 <jongund> JD: I appreciate Micheal
17:34:09 <jongund> ... discussion of pubilshing details ...
17:34:23 <jongund> JD: Anything else on this topic
17:34:40 <jongund> zakim, next topic
17:34:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next topic', jongund
17:34:45 <jongund> zakim, next item
17:34:45 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ARIA 1.1 "actions / status" check in" taken up [from joanie]
17:34:57 <jongund> rS: Do we have something on defects?
17:35:07 <jongund> RS: Is it not in the agenda?
17:35:15 <joanie> agenda?
17:35:17 <jongund> JD: Not that I wrote
17:35:48 <jongund> RS: I am down to two issues from ten two weeks ago on ACC NAME
17:36:03 <jongund> JD: If it is not 1.1 I don't see it
17:36:50 <jongund> RS: One comment is AL in core AAM, basically chrome had not implemented alot of ARIA, so AL will have alot of comments
17:37:00 <jongund> JD: That is for core AAM
17:37:09 <jongund> RS: He has some more today
17:37:41 <jongund> MC: If anything can be deferred to a late verison, we could address AL issue after 1.1
17:37:52 <jongund> RS: They are on the mailing list, not github
17:38:12 <jongund> JD: DO you have some links?
17:38:46 <Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Jul/0098.html
17:39:26 <jongund> RS: He told me what he wanted an then he didn't like it
17:39:43 <jongund> JD: I have taken care of it for my plateform
17:39:52 <jongund> RS: It is a valid point
17:40:11 <jongund> JD: I have done it correctly in implementations
17:40:37 <jongund> RS: What I am trying to say is that as he implements it there will be more change requests
17:40:59 <jongund> RS: It doesn't matter to him if it is 1.0 or 1.1
17:41:43 <jongund> MC: A group may receive input later than the process, and may not be considered
17:42:00 <joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/568
17:42:01 <jongund> RS: His comments are good, but they are late in the process
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17:43:48 <jongund> .. discussion of feedback to AL on filing issues and expectations ...
17:44:43 <jongund> JD: When can I have data from JG?
17:48:55 <jongund> JG: I will get you results by monday
17:49:47 <jongund> JD: aria-foo is suppose to ok
17:50:30 <jongund> JD: Anything else?
17:50:43 <jongund> rrsagent, draft minutes
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