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16:04:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference
16:04:26 <trackbot> Date: 24 July 2017
16:04:36 <aleecia> need a scribe?
16:04:59 <Bert> present+ dsinger, Bert, Alan, Aleecia, Brendan, Mike, Shane
16:05:54 <aleecia> scribenick: aleecia
16:06:39 <aleecia> mikeoneill: Roy didn’t like a change on DNT as a general purpose signal, though he was the one who requested the change. not clear what to do to resolve this though section 5.3 (?) covers it a bit already
16:07:00 <aleecia> … basically we’re already there, now just how to explain and make clearer to implement
16:07:27 <aleecia> bert: seems very close but Roy thinks it’s not ready, would like a message from him
16:07:48 <aleecia> mikeoneill: i’m reasonably happy with it, think it’s implementable. if there are still issues i’ll do more work
16:07:52 <aleecia> (apparently not)
16:09:47 <aleecia> discussion between mikeoneill & wileys on how things could have been better done from the start, i’m skipping this one on the grounds we’re already long past any major changes
16:10:23 <aleecia> q+
16:11:03 <aleecia> (i’m taking this as we’re all just chatting. if someone disagrees feel free to capture it)
16:12:13 <wileys> Thank you Aleecia :-)
16:12:38 <wileys> A bit of a grey area remains for mid-session DNT state changes
16:12:42 <aleecia> (basic tension: mike wanted events, shane / david singer think there are refresh one way or another pretty frequently anyway so you don’t need crisp real-time DNT changes; but really we’ll see if implementing causes problems or not)
16:13:46 <aleecia> aleecia: do we have an implementation report template? how long to send comments?
16:13:55 <aleecia> bert: no template, timing is up to us
16:14:13 <aleecia> mikeoneill: comments can go to the dlist
16:14:23 <aleecia> … a bit academic at the moment
16:14:28 <aleecia> q-
16:14:40 <aleecia> dsinger: we need a stable draft for CR
16:14:52 <aleecia> … then give people a reasonable amount of time, a week or two?
16:15:03 <aleecia> mikeoneill: to implement & report back?
16:15:17 <aleecia> dsinger: oh no, to read the final draft and then release to CR.
16:15:43 <aleecia> (david suggests, effectively, we freeze the document and have final WG review for 1-2 weeks before release)
16:15:56 <aleecia> mikeoneill: discussion of pending and recent changes
16:16:21 <aleecia> … promises are pretty widely accepted, can make changes if people think it’s worth doing, but i’d rather get it out to CR
16:16:29 <aleecia> bert: don’t see that as necessary
16:16:33 <aleecia> … seems ok as it is
16:16:45 <aleecia> … would like to hear from Roy, otherwise we don’t need changes
16:16:56 <aleecia> (Roy is likely on vacation for 2 weeks)
16:17:21 <aleecia> dsinger: roy sent regrets for this call, and mschunter is out-of-office
16:17:36 <aleecia> bert: david, can you do edits?
16:17:46 <aleecia> dsinger: i’ll ping roy and see if he wants help
16:18:08 <aleecia> bert: need text to review in the WG as you say, but hard to start if it’s not final
16:18:17 <aleecia> … any outstanding edits?
16:18:29 <aleecia> wileys: we’re holding off until there’s final text
16:18:51 <aleecia> (there’s a bunch from me that i’m not submitting — it’s not worth derailing)
16:19:17 <aleecia> wileys: can only ask for full review and sign-off from our side ONCE, so want to get it right
16:19:27 <aleecia> … get me stable text and can do that
16:19:39 <aleecia> bert: will try to contact roy
16:19:43 <aleecia> dsinger: just did
16:20:00 <aleecia> … if there’s anything more than editorial, we’ll talk about it.
16:20:14 <aleecia> bert: other topics to talk about today?
16:20:35 <aleecia> mikeoneill: changing to permission from exception. issue: can get confusing
16:20:43 <aleecia> dsinger: i changed this two years ago!