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14:04:11 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Danh_Le_Phuoc, Darko_Anicic, Michael_Koster
14:08:36 <kaz> scribenick: DanhLePhuoc
14:09:04 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/IG_Linked_Data_and_Semantic_Processing_WebConf#Agenda
14:09:41 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_9-13_July_2017,_D%C3%BCsseldorf,_Germany#Agenda Dusseldorf f2f agenda
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14:10:19 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/07/09-13-wot-minutes.html Dusseldolf f2f minutes
14:10:38 <DanhLePhuoc> we're currently have 3 tracks in LD task forces but only the outcomes of two tracks were presented at the F2F
14:10:55 <kaz> i|scribenick:|topic: f2f recap
14:11:19 <DanhLePhuoc> there are two streams of on vocabularies
14:11:47 <DanhLePhuoc> the first one is on advocating in bridging ontologies
14:12:24 <DarkoAnicic> iot.schema.org : http://www.w3.org/2017/07/wot-f2f/slides/iotschema-wotf2f.pdf
14:12:48 <DanhLePhuoc> and another one is leaning towards building by iot.schema.org leading by michael koster
14:14:10 <DanhLePhuoc> there're several separated efforts in annotating semantics/ontologies to TD
14:14:58 <DanhLePhuoc> but quite some of them have some difficulties in dealing with ontologies and SW technologies and lack of devices during F2F
14:18:17 <DanhLePhuoc> right now there's no use of TD repository because there's no user interface to query/discover the repository to find usable things
14:21:26 <mjkoster> danh: provide a json interface for queries?
14:22:30 <mjkoster> danh: basic vocabulary to discover things
14:24:46 <mjkoster> darko: doing semantic queries was the difficulty
14:26:54 <mjkoster> mkoster: maybe we need a template based discovery system where you fill out a TD type template to express what you need
14:27:03 <mjkoster> mkoster: looks like part of a recipe
14:27:54 <mjkoster> darko: may be an approximate match using a recipe to compose a possible solution from different ingredients
14:30:28 <mjkoster> darko: servients register TDs to the repository and can be discovered "bottom-up" but it doesnt work very well
14:30:42 <mjkoster> darko: top-down may be a better solution
14:31:02 <mjkoster> ...using recipes
14:31:24 <mjkoster> ...servient to servient
14:31:47 <mjkoster> danh: who will create the recipes?
14:32:14 <mjkoster> darko: created by humans who want to create an application
14:36:16 <mjkoster> danh: will we put this into the best practices?
14:36:43 <mjkoster> darko: we should look at use cases for discovery and decide what the better pattern is
14:37:02 <kaz> q+
14:37:24 <mjkoster> ...top-down or bottom up... the current pattern is not working because it is difficult for usere to form sparql queries
14:37:49 <kaz> s/usere/users/
14:37:53 <mjkoster> danh: turn recipes into sparql queries or make simple js language
14:38:06 <mjkoster> darko: what kind of discovery API is needed
14:38:18 <mjkoster> s/needed/needed?
14:38:21 <mjkoster> q?
14:39:20 <mjkoster> kaz: what is the target? local area? could use mDNS/bonjour on a local network
14:39:55 <mjkoster> kaz: what is the new 21st century DNS for web of things?
14:40:43 <mjkoster> danh: we also need to think about discovery above the network layer
14:41:13 <mjkoster> kaz: is it the assumption that TD repository contains all of the addresses?
14:41:25 <mjkoster> danh: yes, everything will be in TD
14:42:05 <mjkoster> kaz: there may be some use for network discovery, finding a link
14:42:10 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/NOTE-mmi-mc-discovery-20170202/
14:45:15 <kaz> kaz: think there are several states, e.g., IDLE, AVAILABLE, and we need to think about how to handle those states using management thing api or LD recipe
14:46:13 <mjkoster> q+
14:46:16 <kaz> s/what is the new/do we need some new/
14:47:23 <DanhLePhuoc> DarkoAnicic: which task forces are managing the discovery requirements?
14:47:28 <kaz> ack k
14:47:29 <kaz> ack m
14:48:57 <DanhLePhuoc> TD TF is discussing a bit on that https://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html#td-discovery
14:49:28 <mjkoster> ack mjkoster
14:49:56 <kaz> i/which task forces/kaz: from my viewpoint, Darko's "TD Recipe" is kind of high-level abstraction of Management Thing APIs./
15:00:41 <DanhLePhuoc> https://github.com/thingweb/thingweb-repository/
15:03:31 <kaz> kaz: Darko, are you planning to collaborate with TD guys and Management Thing guys?
15:03:58 <kaz> darko: yes, would like to generate some proposal and bring that to the main call, e.g., maybe the week after.
15:04:03 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
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15:05:50 <kaz> Meeting: WoT IG - TF-LD
15:05:55 <kaz> Chair: Darko
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