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13:54:57 <DaveB> Actually - It DaveBrowning.....
13:55:06 <DaveB> Let me try that again.....
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13:58:13 <DaveBrowning> No problem - my pc is misbehaving so it was worth re-connecting.....
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14:04:39 <antoine> q+ about minutes
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14:05:03 <kcoyle> ack antoine
14:05:16 <PWinstanley> +1 to antoine
14:05:22 <Caroline_> Present+
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14:05:54 <roba> antonine: remove webex password form minutes
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14:06:59 <roba> RESOLVED:  minutes approved, noting remova of password
14:07:13 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
14:07:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/10-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
14:07:27 <AndreaPerego> s/remova/removal/
14:07:45 <roba> q+
14:07:54 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:09:00 <PWinstanley> Who is 'Call-in User_2' please?
14:09:15 <antoine> q- about
14:09:20 <antoine> q- minutes
14:09:25 <AndreaPerego> q+
14:09:41 <roba> roba: have made some edits to a meta-use case (UCI) around consistency of pattern in how extensions are handled.
14:10:07 <Makx> present+ Makx
14:10:35 <roba> ...needs to be looked during F2F
14:10:41 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:10:49 <roba> kcoyle: F2F goal is FPWD
14:11:32 <roba> ...plan to put in effort soon after f2f - Aug 9 deadline to submit docs to publish
14:12:11 <roba> ...next deadline Nov 1
14:13:24 <roba> ...please let us know when people can call in.
14:14:04 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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14:14:14 <Caroline_> zakim, generate minutes
14:14:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'generate minutes', Caroline_
14:14:24 <Caroline_> zakim, record minutes
14:14:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'record minutes', Caroline_
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14:15:08 <Caroline_> rrsagent, please create the minutes
14:15:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/10-dxwg-minutes.html Caroline_
14:15:15 <kcoyle> rrsagent make logs public
14:15:17 <Makx> I thought they only appeared after the meeting is over?
14:15:28 <kcoyle> rrsagent, make logs public
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14:15:56 <Makx> yes I can see them
14:16:03 <Makx> just reload page
14:17:03 <AndreaPerego> chair: kcoyle
14:17:06 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
14:17:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/10-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
14:18:20 <LarsG> Chair: kcoyle
14:19:50 <kcoyle> i lost my sound
14:20:34 <AndreaPerego> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
14:20:36 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
14:20:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/10-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
14:21:05 <annette_g> Present+ annette_g
14:21:08 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+ riccardoAlbertoni
14:21:17 <LarsG> regrets+ Ruben
14:21:24 <LarsG> regrets+ Alejandra
14:21:40 <estephan> Apologies webex is not allowing me to joining via audio.
14:22:42 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: based on DCAT acceptance to date, keep DCAT simple and push extensions to profiles
14:22:51 <roba> kcoyle: please develop a proposal
14:22:54 <roba> q+
14:22:58 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat-ucr/index.html
14:23:28 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: anyone aware of DERI work?
14:24:13 <kcoyle> q?
14:24:19 <AndreaPerego> q-
14:24:41 <kcoyle> ack J
14:24:44 <roba> Makx: questions date - people have left DERI
14:24:56 <kcoyle> ack ro
14:26:15 <kcoyle> roba: schema.org may be adopting some of DCAT core
14:26:53 <roba> ...Dan Brickley has joined group - should follow up with him
14:28:07 <Makx> can we ask W3C to look at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/dcat-ucr/index.html to see if it is maybe erroneously republished with a new date?
14:30:40 <roba> @AndreaPerego please type in ID#s
14:31:06 <kcoyle> ID20 now
14:31:17 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#ID20
14:31:27 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#ID8
14:31:29 <roba> AndreaPerego: discusses ids - and notion of dataset being quite broad
14:32:09 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:32:11 <roba> q+
14:32:28 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> realted ID8, ID32
14:32:34 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:33:13 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: sent round analysis of other standards use of term Dataset - all collections of data
14:33:14 <Makx> q+
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14:33:30 <roba> ...could be general registry
14:33:33 <annette_g> q+
14:33:38 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:33:58 <kcoyle> roba: services may be = distributions
14:34:00 <AndreaPerego> q+
14:34:03 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:34:04 <kcoyle> ack Makx
14:34:51 <roba> Makx: might not be able to limit - e.g. projects do use if for software products
14:34:55 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
14:35:09 <PWinstanley> +1 to Makx comment
14:36:11 <roba> annette_g: in BP datasets and service were able to be considered as the same thing
14:36:58 <kcoyle> ack AndreaPerego
14:37:08 <roba> ...need to be broad enough to include "data resource"
14:37:10 <Makx> +1 to annette_g
14:38:08 <Makx> +q
14:38:33 <Makx> q-
14:38:58 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:39:00 <roba> AndreaPerego: service not a dataset - but a distribution - but we do need to model catalogs (have i got this?)
14:39:06 <Makx> +q
14:39:57 <AndreaPerego> @roba, the point I was trying to make is that if we see the main notion of DCAT as the "catalogue
14:39:59 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: solve via looking a proposal for structuring datasets - DCAT is used for finding/querying catalogues of data
14:40:34 <AndreaPerego> then we may be open to have records that are not just datasets
14:40:43 <AndreaPerego> q+
14:40:48 <roba> ...identity and recognisability the key issues
14:40:53 <kcoyle> ack Makx
14:41:42 <AndreaPerego> Thanks for correcting me, Makx
14:41:47 <kcoyle> ack AndreaPerego
14:41:55 <roba> Makx: experience in Gov Linked Data WG - need to keep notional of Dataset broad
14:42:34 <estephan> +1 great point
14:42:36 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to AndreaPerego
14:42:38 <roba> AndreaPerego: what is missing is guidance for using specific vocabularies
14:42:44 <roba> +1 Andrea
14:43:00 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1 to Andrea on adding guidance
14:43:04 <roba> roba:
14:43:06 <Makx> Also see https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Use_Case_Working_Space#Cross-vocabulary_relationships
14:43:14 <roba> s/roba:/
14:43:18 <roba> q+
14:43:26 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:43:34 <thomas> +1 to Andrea
14:43:52 <kcoyle> roba: this relates to meta use case on how to extend dcat
14:44:15 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
14:44:27 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:44:31 <roba> kcoyle: is there a single use case
14:44:44 <Makx> +q
14:45:00 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: one use case at a meta level - with guidance
14:45:27 <roba> ...e.g if its a datacube please use ...
14:45:29 <kcoyle> ack Makx
14:46:11 <estephan> +1 Makx
14:46:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to Makx
14:46:17 <AndreaPerego> +1 to Makx
14:46:17 <roba> Makx: use cases provide valid scenarios - need to deduplicate the requirements.
14:46:28 <MJ_Han> +1 to Makx
14:47:26 <Makx> let's start looking at requirements
14:47:28 <roba> q+
14:47:53 <estephan> +1 to exploring convergence of requirements on DCAT
14:48:10 <AndreaPerego> I can get in touch with Simon to see what he thinks.
14:48:35 <AndreaPerego> I mean, about the possible merging of ID8 and ID20.
14:48:35 <kcoyle> ack roba
14:49:41 <roba> roba: What is the update cycle for FPWD
14:50:21 <AndreaPerego> I wonder it may be worth considering the use of the "sprint" mechanism used for SDWBP.
14:50:35 <roba> kcoyle: a checkpoint - not set in stone, iterations but need to constrain as these define the scope
14:51:21 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
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14:53:02 <roba> roba: need to focus on getting higher level Use Cases with requirements, otherwise hard to know if a case has been covered in the many overlapping scenarios
14:53:03 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
14:53:49 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: move to UC being rationale for requirements
14:54:17 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
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14:55:01 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to annette_g
14:55:04 <AndreaPerego> +1 to annette_g
14:55:07 <roba> annette_g: need to make sure we dont start with requirements - but derive these from UC
14:55:17 <MJ_Han>  +1 to annette_g
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14:55:46 <roba> ...suggests editing of UC to this effect
14:56:23 <roba> kcoyle: how do we do this?
14:56:32 <Makx> +q
14:56:39 <antoine_> I suggest Annette or any other volunteer to flag where a use case is too requirement-orented, so that this can be discussed in the UC discussion at the F2F
14:57:32 <kcoyle> q?
14:58:08 <roba> annette_g: identify specific datasets in UC?
14:58:16 <estephan> +1 for actual datasets or examples that use cases can point to annette_g
14:58:26 <Makx> -1
14:58:33 <estephan> why -1
14:58:40 <roba> Those sound like "Use Case Scenarios" not Use Cases"
14:59:19 <kcoyle> q?
14:59:21 <Makx> -1 because I think most use cases are quite clear as they are
14:59:56 <estephan> thanks for the exploration, can these use cases point to examples makx?
15:00:24 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: make sure we capture limitations of DCAT in problem statements, from stakeholder perspectives
15:00:27 <kcoyle> q?
15:00:33 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
15:00:36 <kcoyle> ack Makx
15:00:44 <annette_g> I don't see "what does dataset mean" as a use case
15:01:11 <annette_g> q+
15:01:33 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
15:02:01 <Caroline_>  rrsagent, please make the minutes
15:02:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/10-dxwg-minutes.html Caroline_
15:02:14 <Caroline_> rrsagent, please publish the minutes
15:02:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/07/10-dxwg-minutes.html Caroline_
15:02:20 <thomas> sorry; have to leave now - good discussion; maybe we should start with defining the final goal next week?
15:02:55 <roba> q+
15:03:03 <kcoyle> ack roba
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15:03:41 <Makx> +1
15:03:43 <AndreaPerego> +1
15:03:44 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
15:03:45 <estephan> +1 sounds good
15:03:45 <antoine_> +1
15:03:57 <annette_g> +1
15:04:19 <DaveBrowning> quit
15:04:25 <roba> kcoyle: prioritise thise in F2F - everyone left agrees
15:04:26 <estephan> take care and safe travels everyone
15:04:27 <DaveBrowning> #quit
15:04:34 <Makx> looking forward to connecting next week for most of the two days
15:04:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks all bye
15:04:43 <LarsG> thanks, bye
15:04:45 <Makx> bye
15:04:46 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
15:04:46 <Present_Ixchel> bye
15:04:48 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
15:04:55 <AndreaPerego> s/quit//
15:05:00 <AndreaPerego> s/#quit//
15:05:08 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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