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17:01:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
17:01:53 <trackbot> Date: 03 July 2017
17:02:06 <jamesn> Meeting: ARIA APG TF
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17:05:17 <MichielBijl> present+
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17:06:52 <jamesn> agenda - https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/July-3%2C-2017-Meeting
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17:10:35 <jamesn> present+
17:11:16 <sirib> present+ShirishaBalusani
17:11:18 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/July-3%2C-2017-Meeting
17:11:31 <sirib> Thanks James
17:12:26 <jongund> scribe: jongund
17:12:30 <sirib> Im here
17:12:44 <sirib> oops didn't realize that im on mute
17:14:39 <jongund> TOPIC: Look Back
17:14:59 <jongund> MK: I wanted to talk about how far we have come since last July
17:15:30 <jongund> MK: In the last two milestones, in the last half of last year we closed 30 issues
17:15:44 <jongund> MK: In the first half of this year we closed 60 issues
17:16:29 <jongund> MK: The last half of 2016 we did alot of refinement of the patterns and examples
17:17:00 <jongund> MK: Most of the first half of this year we have been cleaning up content and addressing issue raised by reviewers
17:17:39 <jongund> MK: I have been reflecting on this... and thinking about what has worked well...
17:18:09 <jongund> MK: We have really got alot done this past year, we should be really proud of our work, and I am really happy about it
17:18:37 <jongund> MK: Anyone else have anything else to say?  Any feedback on the process or improvements?
17:19:03 <jongund> MB: We took a bunch of design patterns out and focuses on what we could complete, that was a positive
17:19:41 <jongund> MK: Has anyone looked at it from an end-to-end process
17:19:53 <jongund> TOPIC: Discussion of next steps
17:20:22 <jongund> MK: We have a status table, which needs some updating
17:21:30 <jongund> MK: Do we know when 1.1 will be a recommendation?
17:23:41 <jongund> MK: Discussing next milestones
17:24:08 <jongund> MK: We will have two more working drafts before ARIA 1.1 goes to recommendations
17:24:20 <jongund> MK: Any suggests on improving process
17:24:34 <jongund> MB: The milestones have been useful to me
17:24:36 <jamesn> +1
17:27:20 <jongund> MK: I don't want more treeview stuff, but I think there are higher priority needs
17:28:52 <jongund> JG: I have some students who can take on projects
17:29:36 <jongund> MK: MIlestonse are important for prioritizing development
17:29:50 <jongund> MK: Project group related issues in Github.com
17:32:06 <jongund> JG: Image carousel is important
17:32:35 <jongund> MK: There is a W3C example in the EO group, I have problems with it
17:32:45 <jongund> MB: Caorusels are a type of tab
17:33:14 <jongund> MK: I have worked on an image carousel at facebook, we used article role
17:34:11 <jongund> MK: There are alot of different ways to
17:34:40 <jongund> MK: Right now the carousel 2 issues are in milestone 2
17:35:12 <jongund> MK: I think we should have all the states and properties and widget roles that should be first priority
17:36:56 <jongund> MK: States and properties don't align to a specific widget pattern
17:37:16 <jongund> MK: like disclosure pattern does not have a role
17:37:34 <jongund> MB: The roles and properties that go with a certain role are in the issues?
17:37:37 <jongund> MK: yes
17:38:30 <jongund> MK: Between the 2 status tables, we that carousel was lower priority
17:38:57 <jongund> MB: For the switch design pattern what are the properties
17:39:10 <jongund> MK: It is on and off
17:39:23 <jongund> MB: we will use aria-checked
17:40:45 <jongund> MK: We need design pattern documentation, prose is harder
17:43:12 <jongund> MK: The issues with complicated patterns, we have had request break out menu and menubar
17:43:27 <jongund> MK: There are issue with the complexity of combobox
17:43:46 <jongund> MK: we need to try to simplify
17:45:12 <jongund> JB: I am wiolling to work on design patterns
17:45:14 <mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Design-Patterns-Development-Status
17:48:35 <jongund> MK: There should be a purpose of the double thumb
17:48:46 <jongund> MB: A price range is a good example
17:49:04 <jongund> MK: You wnat to variables that there are dependencies
17:49:12 <jongund> MB: A range of something
17:49:58 <jongund> MK: If you change the date range, it may effect another slider
17:50:17 <jongund> MB: What does a double thumb slider do
17:50:38 <jongund> MK: One slider effects the range of another slider
17:51:57 <jongund> MK: Date range you want a calendar
17:52:13 <jongund> JG: We will make it a price range
17:54:24 <jongund> MK: I think I will put things related to combobox and switch in a new milestone
17:56:24 <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl
17:58:54 <MichielBijl> MB: I think it’s important to promote when we release a new working draft. With the current one there was no mention of it on the ARIA list for example.
17:59:07 <MichielBijl> MK: I enthusiastically agree with that!
18:01:26 <MichielBijl> MB: I talked to Léonie the other day and she suggested we also ask for reviews from other WGs. I think that’s a really good idea.
18:03:56 <MichielBijl> MK: I can write an e-mail with a short change log and send that out.
18:05:05 <sirib> where can I see that?
18:06:33 <sirib> Michiel Biji said he was looking some of the Matt work
18:07:25 <MichielBijl> NO MEETING NEXT WEEK (10th July)
18:07:27 <sirib> ok Thanks
18:07:38 <MichielBijl> RRSAgent: make minutes
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