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13:50:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Device and Sensors Working Group Teleconference
13:50:24 <trackbot> Date: 29 June 2017
13:53:21 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
13:53:33 <fjh> Present+  Frederick_Hirsch
13:54:01 <fjh> Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
13:54:20 <fjh> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Jun/0011.html
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14:02:32 <shalamov> Present+ Mikhail_Pozdnyakov
14:02:42 <anssik> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:02:46 <shalamov> Present+ Alexander_Shalamov
14:03:08 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
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14:03:34 <fjh> github digests:
14:03:34 <fjh> * 20 June 2017 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Jun/0009.html
14:03:35 <kenneth_> Present+ Kenneth_Christiansen
14:03:35 <fjh> * 27 June 2017 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Jun/0010.html
14:03:36 <fjh> DAS rechartering  - Please comment regarding scope and proposals, see
14:03:37 <fjh>  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Jun/0007.html
14:04:42 <fjh> Topic: Minutes approval
14:04:49 <fjh> Approve minutes from 15 June 2017
14:04:49 <fjh> https://www.w3.org/2017/06/15-dap-minutes.html
14:04:56 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 15 June 2017 are approved
14:05:05 <fjh> Topic: Meetings
14:05:38 <fjh> RESOLUTION: Cancel teleconferences  in July/August, resume 7 Sept 2017
14:06:08 <fjh> fjh: who will be at TPAC, Anssi?
14:06:28 <fjh> anssik: I will be there, so will Kenneth. Agree informal session would be useful.
14:06:48 <fjh> fjh: Anssik, can you lead session on Wed during TPAC
14:07:17 <fjh> anssik: yes, can do a session with kenneth
14:07:24 <fjh> fjh: good to get more involvement in DAS
14:07:39 <fjh> Topic: HTML Media Capture
14:07:49 <fjh> Next steps/status for PR transition next month?
14:07:49 <fjh> https://www.w3.org/TR/html-media-capture/
14:07:50 <fjh> http://w3c.github.io/test-results/html-media-capture/20170428.html
14:08:20 <fjh> anssik: no new technical work needed, CR published 4 May then updated to align with implementations
14:08:41 <anssik> Since Candidate Recommendation 04 May 2017, the capture IDL attribute was changed from an enumeration into a DOMString. This change aligns this specification with the HTML specification changes that removed the IDL enumeration reflection.
14:10:44 <anssik> https://github.com/w3c/html-media-capture/issues/14
14:12:16 <fjh> action: fjh to check with Dom on CR versus PR for HTML Media Capture
14:12:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-801 - Check with dom on cr versus pr for html media capture [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2017-07-06].
14:13:37 <fjh> anssik: may need to update references to HTML 5
14:13:40 <fjh> fjh: can you do this?
14:13:52 <fjh> anssik: no, on vacation, dom offered
14:14:10 <fjh> action: dom to update HTML Media Capture references for publication, e.g. HTML5
14:14:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-802 - Update html media capture references for publication, e.g. html5 [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2017-07-06].
14:14:27 <anssik> https://github.com/w3c/html-media-capture/commit/7b5f3a911fd6544c1034444189158951a77dddbe
14:14:40 <fjh> anssik: this is diff showing changes
14:16:06 <fjh> anssik: test suite shows one failure, but not applicable, since safari doesn’t allow upload of text file
14:16:49 <fjh> Topic: Wake Lock
14:17:25 <fjh> fjh: Issue review, next steps?
14:17:50 <fjh> andrey: remaining issue is concrete so can be resolved
14:18:09 <fjh> … not sure what to do about sandbox, not just single flag, wake lock might need to change HTML spec
14:18:41 <Andrey_Logvinov> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/origin.html#sandboxing-flag-set
14:19:23 <anssik> look at https://w3c.github.io/presentation-api/ for sandbox integration
14:19:32 <fjh> andrey: e.g. pointer lock has flag, so we also need to introduce wake lock flag
14:20:32 <anssik> https://github.com/w3c/presentation-api/issues/414
14:21:02 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:21:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/29-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:22:01 <fjh> issue: how to update HTML to include flag for wake lock
14:22:02 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-175 - How to update html to include flag for wake lock.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/175/edit>.
14:22:19 <fjh> anssik: need to be clear on HTML version target
14:22:59 <fjh> action: dom to comment on how to update HTML spec to include sandbox flag for wake lock
14:22:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-803 - Comment on how to update html spec to include sandbox flag for wake lock [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2017-07-06].
14:23:30 <anssik> https://w3c.github.io/html/single-page.html#element-attrdef-iframe-sandbox
14:24:04 <fjh> anssik: allow-presentation flag
14:24:04 <anssik> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/437
14:24:48 <fjh> action Andrey_Logvinov to raise HTML issue to add wake lock flag
14:24:48 <trackbot> Error finding 'Andrey_Logvinov'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/users>.
14:24:59 <fjh> close action-803
14:24:59 <trackbot> Closed action-803.
14:25:35 <fjh> fjh: how to close other wake lock issues
14:26:18 <fjh> action Andrey_Logvinov to close issues that are no longer relevant
14:26:18 <trackbot> Error finding 'Andrey_Logvinov'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/users>.
14:26:33 <fjh> action andrey to  close issues that are no longer relevant
14:26:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-804 -  close issues that are no longer relevant [on Andrey Logvinov - due 2017-07-06].
14:27:03 <fjh> Topic: Battery
14:27:44 <fjh> anssik: don’t have consensus yet, need to add policy directive to feature policy
14:28:20 <fjh> … enable opt-in to allow iframe to use battery status
14:28:29 <fjh> … mounir may not like adding this change
14:28:56 <fjh> https://github.com/w3c/battery/issues/10
14:29:30 <fjh> anssik: need to wait, published spec is implemented
14:29:55 <fjh> … editors draft adds further features
14:29:58 <fjh> fjh: then would do CR
14:30:02 <anssik> https://github.com/w3c/battery/issues/12
14:30:15 <fjh> fjh: would need diff and status text
14:30:47 <fjh> fjh: do we have test case
14:30:57 <fjh> anssik: yes, but will need new report
14:31:09 <fjh> anssik: diff and status text is already in place
14:32:14 <fjh> anssik: concern about breaking existing implementations that use battery status from within iframes
14:32:27 <fjh> s/concern/mounir has concern/
14:32:44 <fjh> anssik: rick and mounir need to talk
14:33:03 <fjh> anssik: low priority, will take time, keep open
14:33:17 <fjh> Topic: Sensor APIs
14:33:29 <fjh> Welcome to Mikhail Pozdnyakov and Alexander Shalamov as additional members of the Generic Sensor API editorial team.
14:35:02 <fjh> anssik: Rick Waldron has been reviewing issues and pull request
14:40:23 <fjh> fjh: we need to make sure group makes decisions, not editors alone
14:42:20 <fjh> fjh: I would like to see disagreements raised formally and addressed by consensus in manner to be recorded to enable transparency and traceability
14:42:42 <fjh> anssik: silence is consent, expect ot have review of github
14:50:35 <shalamov> https://github.com/w3c/sensors/projects/4
14:50:40 <fjh> fjh: would like summary of substantive issues
14:50:41 <shalamov> https://github.com/w3c/sensors/projects/5
14:50:49 <fjh> anssik: will share it
14:52:25 <fjh> fjh: is this page dynamically updated
14:52:38 <fjh> shalamov: manually done, but issues do not change it automatically
14:54:08 <fjh> mikhail: need to put operations into order, then other tasks
14:54:27 <fjh> anssik: level 1 means scope to CR
14:54:38 <fjh> … level 2 deferred to next version of spec
14:55:26 <fjh> anssik: useful to share these  links on the list, noting level 1  for CR
14:55:35 <fjh> fjh: thanks for creating these views
14:56:05 <fjh> anssik: add to readme
14:56:52 <fjh> fjh: thanks
14:56:56 <fjh> Topic: Other Business
14:59:04 <fjh> s/Other Business/Rechartering/
14:59:15 <anssik> https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues
14:59:36 <fjh> fjh: we need people to respond to the issues and draft charter dom provided, please give heads up to browser people you know
15:00:24 <anssik> https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues/31
15:00:28 <fjh> anssik: mikhael and alex working on restarting device orientation api
15:01:15 <anssik> could note in https://github.com/w3c/dap-charter/issues/31 interest to help edit the device orientation events spec
15:01:29 <anssik> integrate security and privacy consideration from the Generic Sensor API
15:02:58 <fjh> s/restarting device orientation api/device orientation events, common security issues with generic sensor API/
15:03:36 <fjh> anssik: NFC could be moved from community group to this group, also WebUSB might be considered, also bluetooth, all topics for discussion
15:04:42 <fjh> mikhael: device orientation could share security model with generic sensor API
15:04:43 <anssik> should ping the editors of WebUSB, WebBT, WebNFC for interest to move these CG specs to the Rec Track in this WG
15:05:15 <fjh> Topic Other Business
15:05:15 <fjh> none
15:05:19 <fjh> Topic: Adjourn
15:05:37 <fjh> s/Topic Other Business/Topic: Other Business/
15:05:41 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:05:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/29-dap-minutes.html fjh
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