06:33:19 RRSAgent has joined #wot-td 06:33:19 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/06/23-wot-td-irc 06:34:10 DarkoAnicic has joined #wot-td 06:34:12 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Danh_Le_Phuoc, Darko_Anicic, Dave_Raggett, Maria_Poveda, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Taki_Kamiya, Uday_Davuluru, Victor_Charpenay 06:34:21 present+ DarkoAnicic 06:34:25 uday has joined #wot-td 06:34:59 McCool has joined #wot-td 06:35:12 present+ Michael_McCool 06:36:17 dsr has joined #wot-td 06:36:28 present+ Dave_Raggett 06:36:43 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#Agenda 06:36:54 zakim, who is here? 06:36:54 Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Danh_Le_Phuoc, Darko_Anicic, Dave_Raggett, Maria_Poveda, Michael_Koster, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Taki_Kamiya, Uday_Davuluru, Victor_Charpenay, 06:36:58 ... DarkoAnicic 06:36:58 On IRC I see dsr, McCool, uday, DarkoAnicic, RRSAgent, Zakim, sebastian, taki, ohura, victor, MariaPoveda, DanhLePhuoc, kaz, benfrancis|away, trackbot 06:37:14 mjkoster has joined #wot-td 06:37:31 scribenick: DanhLePhuoc 06:37:35 Scribe: Danh 06:37:49 Meeting: WoT WG - TD-TF 06:38:11 First item: Status of the current practice document for Düsseldorf 06:38:23 http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html 06:38:42 s/First item:/topic:/ 06:39:11 present+ Acille_Zappa, Masato_Ohura, Yongjing_Zhang 06:40:45 achille_zappa has joined #wot-td 06:41:27 :sebastian TD has a slide change in comparision0 06:41:46 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/images/9/9a/TD_version4Duesseldorf.pdf 06:41:58 s/:sebastian/sebastian:/ 06:42:13 s/slide/slight/ 06:43:11 present+ achille_zappa 06:43:18 ... the plural terms are now changed to single form 06:44:24 ...the content is updated in the wot practice document 06:45:45 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html Current Practices document again 06:45:54 yingying has joined #wot-td 06:46:15 There are some some subsections in the best practice document that mention on the how annotate semantic data ... 06:46:19 s/pdf/pdf slides on TD structure for Dusseldorf f2f/ 06:46:38 s/some some/some 06:46:45 s/how annotate/how to annotate/ 06:48:38 -> http://w3c.github.io/wot/current-practices/wot-practices.html#td-context-extension table on Thing, Property and Action below EXAMPLE 33 06:49:19 http://uri.etsi.org/m2m/saref# vs https://w3id.org/saref# ? 06:49:53 sebastian: it's important to look into the list of "things" used in previous plugfests to give semantic examples towards these things and their properties 06:50:52 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_May_2017,_Osaka,_Japan#Participation Sebastian shows the PlugFest table from Osaka f2f 06:52:19 q+ 06:52:27 q+ 06:52:28 q+ 06:52:55 q? 06:53:22 q? 06:53:40 ack d 06:53:53 ack dsr 06:53:57 q+ DarkoAnicic 06:54:06 present+ McCool 06:54:14 dsr: we should look into the use cases closely before coming up the semantic annotations 06:54:40 regarding what Dave is saying: location information and scope information might be useful 06:55:00 to say where the device is... this is useful metadata; does it belong in the TD? 06:55:08 dsr: based on the usecases, describe exactly what do you want to do, then choose the model/vocabulary to describe them 06:55:33 but location is a pretty complex topic; best to look first at what else is being done in W3C 06:55:41 for geolocation 06:56:35 sebastian: I would prefer to start with very simple example for the non-semantic developers in the plugfest 06:56:46 q+ 06:56:46 it DOES apply to discovery though: "find things near me". But I could also find thing near me by guessing on physical proximity based on network topology 06:56:57 q? 06:57:03 q+ McCool 06:57:30 MariaPoveda: the uris of saref currently used are not the right one 06:58:37 MariaPoveda: there is the second version of SAREF, just wanted to get everybody informed 06:59:07 another point: location can change. Is the TD static or dynamic? 06:59:16 might be better to make it a property... 07:00:45 ack Maria 07:01:11 yongjing has joined #wot-td 07:01:40 sebastian: we should look into the future to be able to use other ontologies such as schema.org or iot.schema.org 07:01:51 zkis has joined #wot-td 07:01:51 ack darko 07:03:18 DarkoAnicic: I'm working collecting terms for iot.schema.ogr 07:03:32 for the sake of interworking with oneM2M, it would be nice to also reference to oneM2M Base Ontology in the 'practice' document: http://www.onem2m.org/ontology/Base_Ontology/oneM2M_Base_Ontology-V_3_2_0.owl 07:03:47 for semantic annotation 07:03:57 DarkoAnicic: I'm trying to have something before the the plugfest... 07:05:17 q? 07:05:26 ack kaz 07:06:44 Sorry, I have lo leave. I'll have a look at the minutes. 07:06:51 https://mjkoster.github.io/html/protocolbindings.html 07:06:55 ok 07:07:46 kaz: I agree with sebastian that we should start with simple examples and I think we should be able to integrated with several vocabularies, but it should be done in the second phase 07:08:25 phase 1: thinking about the abstract level of TD 07:08:56 phase 2: thinking about the binding template and how to map existing parameters (from OCF, oneM2M, Echonet, etc.) to TD 07:10:01 McCool: location is very important, esp. when the location is dynamic ... semantics of the location property is very for later phase ... 07:10:10 s/to TD/to TD. at that time probably geolocation/Point-of-view kind of information would be needed because some devices can be moved and even static devices, e.g., air conditioners can change the direction of the air flow/ 07:11:33 s/simple examples and/simple examples, and we should separate that discussion and detailed discussions on "how to map existing parameters to TD"./ 07:11:58 s/integrated/integrate TD/ 07:12:04 McCool: the location data might be x,y,z coordinates that are important for the things moving around the building 07:12:40 I've created a PR to add the oneM2M Base Ontology ref. 07:12:49 fyi, there are specs on geolocation and device orientation 07:13:00 McCool: we don't need to have it ready by plugfest but we should mark it as a discussion item for the F2F discussion 07:13:30 i|geolocation|geolocation (https://www.w3.org/TR/geolocation-API/)| 07:13:36 a device icould be few centimetres away yet in another room! 07:14:11 i|device orientation|device orientation (https://www.w3.org/TR/orientation-event/)| 07:14:36 s/icould/could/ 07:15:15 -> https://mjkoster.github.io/html/protocolbindings.html protocol binding template initial draft 07:16:13 rrsagent, make log public 07:16:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 07:16:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 07:16:23 sebastian: it would be great to show protocol binding of OCF in the next plugfest 07:16:47 Chair: Sebastian 07:18:39 i|mjkoster|topic: Protocol Binding Template| 07:18:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 07:18:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 07:19:48 s/There are some/... There are some/ 07:20:02 victor: give me until next week to make the TD repository to online 07:21:02 i/it would be great/mjkoster: gives update on the initial draft of Protocol Binding Template/ 07:21:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 07:21:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 07:21:46 sebastian: the repository can be searched via semantic API like SPARQL but can be done via full text format ... 07:22:04 i have to drop due to other business. bye 07:22:31 topic: Plans for breakouts 07:22:52 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_9-13_July_2017,_D%C3%BCsseldorf,_Germany#Plenary_and_Breakouts f2f agenda topics 07:24:48 victor: I would propose the the topic: TD and links 07:25:03 s/the the/the/ 07:25:47 sebasitan: (updates the agenda topics) 07:26:13 topic: Ongoing AIs 07:26:32 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/9 Issue 9 href in DataSchema 07:27:23 sebastian: (shows p3 of https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/images/9/9a/TD_version4Duesseldorf.pdf ) 07:28:27 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/3 Issue 3 Namespaces used in TD/WoT ontology 07:29:51 q+ 07:30:05 q- McCool 07:35:14 kaz: regarding the namespace discussion, we should refer to the decision we'll use https://www.w3.org/ns/td asn the experimental namespace for PlugFests until the final one is fixed (https://www.w3.org/2017/06/21-wot-minutes.html#ResolutionSummary 07:36:34 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/5 Issue 5 Adding Semantic Annotations to JSON Schema 07:37:38 mjkoster: can create a pullrequest to the current practices document based on my work 07:38:45 [adjourned] 07:38:48 rrsagent, draft mintues 07:38:48 I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft mintues', kaz. Try /msg RRSAgent help 07:41:44 rrsagent, draft minutes 07:41:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 07:41:51 s/rrsagent, draft mintues// 07:41:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 07:41:53 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/23-wot-td-minutes.html kaz 08:38:43 zkis has joined #wot-td 09:07:30 dsr has joined #wot-td 09:40:06 Zakim has left #wot-td 11:46:03 zkis has joined #wot-td 13:34:11 zkis has joined #wot-td 14:00:05 taki has joined #wot-td 14:06:38 taki has left #wot-td 15:23:52 zkis has joined #wot-td 16:07:32 zkis has joined #wot-td