14:00:47 RRSAgent has joined #tt 14:00:47 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/06/22-tt-irc 14:00:49 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:00:49 Zakim has joined #tt 14:00:51 Zakim, this will be TTML 14:00:51 ok, trackbot 14:00:52 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 14:00:52 Date: 22 June 2017 14:01:22 Present: Nigel 14:01:23 Chair: Nigel 14:01:26 tmichel has joined #tt 14:01:26 Regrets: Glenn 14:01:32 scribe: nigel 14:02:07 Present+ Thierry 14:03:09 Present+ Pierre 14:03:37 Present+ Mike 14:03:41 mike has joined #tt 14:04:40 Present+ Andreas 14:04:50 Topic: This meeting 14:05:13 Nigel: In today's momentous meeting we will be looking at IMSC 1.0.1 CR publication 14:05:22 .. and TTML2 WR publication. 14:05:32 dae has joined #tt 14:06:04 .. Before we get on to agenda topics, looking ahead to July's meetings, is everyone ok if 14:06:10 .. I keep them at 2 hours and hopefully we use less? 14:06:19 Andreas: In general I can only attend for 1 hour. 14:06:22 atai has joined #tt 14:06:32 Nigel: I'll take the general silence as a Yes. 14:06:51 Present+ Dae 14:07:39 Nigel: Back to the agenda for today, there's a bit on TPAC. Any other points to make sure 14:07:41 .. we cover? 14:07:57 Dae: I have a couple of TTML2 issues we're waiting for r12a for. I don't know how long 14:08:03 .. we give him before we just move forward. 14:08:15 Nigel: Okay let's come to those in the TTML agenda item. 14:10:17 Thierry: Regarding WebVTT we need some coordination and I'd really like David and Simon 14:10:20 .. to attend a meeting. 14:10:43 group: no other business 14:10:49 Topic: TPAC 2017 14:11:03 Nigel: Just wanted to alert everyone that if they need to book hotel rooms the Hyatt is 14:11:26 .. already out of rooms for some nights so book quickly to take advantage of the lower rates. 14:12:15 Nigel: I haven't managed to pull together the stuff for action-497 so it's still on my list of 14:12:17 .. things to do. 14:12:37 Topic: IMSC 14:13:22 Nigel: What's the status on our issues? 14:13:48 -> https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/246 SDP-US is listed as a normative reference, but it is not #246 14:14:05 Pierre: This has a PR that has been open for a week and has been iterated, and approved 14:15:49 .. by Andreas and Nigel. I think it should be good for Mike too. 14:15:57 Mike: I'll approve that right now. 14:16:30 Pierre: I guess we could merge that today? 14:16:43 Nigel: Assuming Mike approves it, there are no objections so I think we can go ahead and 14:16:50 .. merge that. 14:17:09 -> https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/244 Add diff from IMSC 1.0.0 and update substantive-changes-summary.txt #244 14:17:15 Pierre: This one is for me to do at the last minute. 14:17:33 -> https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/241 Requirement to support certain Code Point #241 14:17:50 -> https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/237 Why exclude hebrew and arabic proportional reference fonts? #237 14:17:57 Pierre: Those are both addressed by #245 14:18:10 -> https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/245 Clarified the requirement for processors to implement reference fonts #245 14:18:26 Nigel: That has approvals and comments. 14:18:39 Pierre: The approval that is missing is from r12a but since the change I made is exactly 14:18:50 .. the same wording as his suggestion I assume that resolves the issue for him. 14:19:25 .. That's been open for 13 days now. 14:19:39 .. Again nobody else has voiced any concern or questions or comments. 14:20:31 .. I think we should assume it satisfies Richard's comments and it is not normative. 14:20:41 .. The risk of merging this is very low, and any other comments can be dealt with editorially. 14:20:52 Nigel: Everyone happy to merge this? 14:20:55 Andreas: Yes 14:21:00 Pierre: I'll merge that too. 14:21:32 Pierre: The next two are #227 and #228 which have been merged but the tickets are open 14:21:37 .. until we get confirmation from ARIB. 14:21:48 Nigel: Thierry we sent the message to ARIB didn't we? 14:21:51 Thierry: Yes we did. 14:22:06 .. We gave them until the end of June. 14:22:23 -> https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/235 imsc1-all.xsd has a bad pointer for SMPTE-TT schemas #235 14:23:03 Pierre: There was a message to the reflector 4 minutes ago. SMPTE has somehow found 14:23:23 .. the XSD and sent us a link. So I'll pull that and make sure that the IMSC 1 links point to it. 14:25:17 Nigel: Is this something we need to fix by erratum to IMSC1 as well as including in 1.0.1? 14:25:25 Pierre: Yes 14:25:41 Mike: I thought we were just going to do WG Consensus to update the schemas. 14:25:48 Nigel: Oh yes it is not normative, thanks for the reminder. 14:27:39 Mike: I think you can just add it to the existing schema. 14:27:52 Nigel: I've added a comment on it with a link to the archived liaison at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Jun/0084.html 14:28:02 Pierre: I will update this and work with Thierry to get it published. 14:28:23 -> https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/243 Recommended character sets considered harmful #243 14:28:34 Pierre: I think this is just a misunderstanding and Addison never followed up. 14:30:10 .. The last comment was by me 19 days ago and Addison didn't respond. 14:31:16 Nigel: I've pinged him on the issue. I think if there's no update on this by Monday 14:31:30 .. morning US time then we could reasonably close this with no further action. 14:32:24 -> https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/236 Should the character sets be minimum *font* requirements? #236 14:32:39 Pierre: This started as a comment on the character sets being minimum font requirements. 14:33:03 .. The thread went a little bit everywhere. In IMSC 1 the recommended character set is 14:33:20 .. stated as an authoring requirement rather than a processing requirement. Then we 14:33:35 .. explored why we have reference fonts, why we have recommended character sets, and 14:34:03 .. I think I tried to answer all r12a's questions and haven't heard back from him. I haven't 14:34:50 .. seen that anything is broken. I've tried to answer all the questions. 14:34:58 Nigel: Is it also related to pull request #245? 14:35:02 Pierre: Maybe, I don't know. 14:36:29 Nigel: I think you've answered the original question in the issue. 14:39:26 .. I've added a comment on the issue, pinging r12a and asking for a response by Monday 14:39:40 .. in anticipation of closing the issue by next week's meeting. 14:40:33 Nigel: Ok so where are we in terms of publishing this as a CR? 14:40:40 Pierre: Next week is a good target. 14:41:15 Nigel: Yes, if we can, or if not then the following week. 14:42:09 Thierry: How do you plan this CR publication? We need to have a Director call, I need to 14:42:20 .. write the transition request for this call, and we need also to have the DIsposition of 14:42:31 .. Comments, which I have been tracking in a wiki page. So we have 2 comments that are 14:42:52 .. still pending, on #236 and #243 because they are from external groups. We could have 14:43:02 .. tried to avoid the Director's call but because we have an objection from Glenn about 14:44:19 .. the version number we should discuss this while entering into CR. 14:46:29 Nigel: I'm happy to simply take that to the Director and be transparent about the 14:46:42 .. group's decision and its rationale and Glenn's objection. 14:47:01 .. Can I check: if the Director hypothetically said we must call this v1.1 would anyone 14:47:09 .. want me to bring that back for the group to consider? 14:47:18 Pierre: Yes, I would object to publishing with v1.1. 14:47:30 Thierry: This objection needs to be included in the transition request. 14:47:44 Nigel: We need so we need some wording to go in the transition request. 14:48:27 .. Does anyone else want to draft that wording about the objection, otherwise I'll do it? 14:48:33 group: [nobody] 14:48:45 Nigel: Okay then I will draft the objection text and circulate it for review. 14:48:52 Thierry: When can we have a CR-ready draft? 14:49:03 Pierre: Monday, assuming no changes are needed. 14:49:21 Thierry: We need a CR ending date. Maybe target 1 month - say 6th August? 14:49:28 Pierre: Alright. 14:49:32 Nigel: 6th August should work. 14:49:36 Pierre: Noted. 14:50:33 Nigel: I note that for the objection text there are people on this call who would be interested 14:50:46 .. in reviewing it but also we should get Glenn's approval on that wording too. 14:51:11 Nigel: I will also double check with Glenn that his objection still stands. 14:52:43 Thierry: Then we have a Director's call to arrange - next week will be difficult with the W3C team 14:52:54 .. because it is geek week but we can try. 14:53:28 Nigel: Given we haven't made the resolution to publish yet, it is more likely going to be 14:53:32 .. the following week isn't it? 14:53:37 Thierry: Okay, I think that's better. 14:54:12 .. I will check his availability so we can pencil in a meeting early to mid the week after next. 14:54:32 .. I will propose some different slots and see what works for everybody. 14:54:43 Nigel: Typically we would have me as Chair, Thierry and Pierre on the call. 14:55:22 Thierry: I guess this current time is good for everyone, as a rule? 14:55:27 Pierre: Yes in general 14:55:35 Nigel: And for me too, depending the particular day. 14:57:34 Topic: TTML 14:57:42 Nigel: Dae you said there were some issues to review? 14:57:57 Dae: Yes, the 2 on IMSC we already covered and the 7 open i18n-comment ones for which 14:58:31 .. we are awaiting feedback from Richard and/or Addison. 14:59:41 -> https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/271 Metadata examples do not include xml:lang (editorial) #271 15:00:03 Nigel: The last comment here was 28 days ago and Glenn asked Addison for his confirmation 15:00:08 .. that the fix works for him. 15:00:45 Nigel: I think for these and the IMSC issues I will send a private message to Addison 15:01:14 Nigel: and Richard just asking them to confirm the issues work for them or proposing 15:01:18 .. something different. 15:01:32 Pierre: We need to work live with them, we don't have time to iterate over a 2 week period 15:01:34 .. for these. 15:01:37 Nigel: yes. 15:03:22 -> https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/274 Add an illustration of pinyin for ruby align #274 15:03:34 Dae: There was some back and forth on this, and we ended up saying an illustration might 15:04:26 .. be all that is needed. I could do it, but it might still take a while for Richard to respond. 15:04:42 -> https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/258 How to space base characters where shiftRuby kicks in for group ruby? #258 15:07:31 Mike: [question about process and how much time people have to respond] 15:07:44 Nigel: I will mention to Richard and Addison that we plan to publish TTML2 by end of June 15:08:02 .. so any responses would ideally be received by then, otherwise they will have to get 15:08:06 .. dealt with before we move to CR. 15:08:32 Nigel: On #258 you are suggesting we can close the issue with no more change. 15:08:46 Dae: Right, I think Richard is suggesting fine grained control for Japanese that no subtitler 15:08:54 .. would ever use, so it is not needed for subtitling. 15:09:33 Nigel: OK I will send that message, and I think that's all we can do for now on the i18n issues. 15:10:19 .. Now last week we made a decision to merge the PRs so there would be an ED for review 15:10:34 .. and since then there is one new pull request for audio feature designators, and I've asked 15:10:38 .. for a missing bit to be added. 15:11:16 .. The idea is that everyone should review the ED prior to publishing the WD by next week's meeting. 15:11:21 .. Are there any comments on that? 15:11:28 group: [silence] 15:14:20 Nigel: Okay then I think we can close for today, since there are no more points on our agenda. 15:14:26 .. Thanks everyone. 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