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14:45:21 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:45:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:45:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:45:27 <trackbot> Date: 15 June 2017
14:45:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
14:45:52 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:45:55 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
14:46:21 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Jun/0002.html
14:46:25 <addison> agenda+ Agenda
14:46:30 <addison> agenda+ Action Items
14:46:34 <addison> agenda+ Info Share
14:46:37 <addison> agenda+ Radar
14:46:50 <addison> agenda+ Semantic Sensor Network Ontology (review)
14:47:03 <addison> agenda+ FW: [webidl] Serialization of natural language (TAG issue 178) [I18N-ACTION-623]
14:49:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
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15:00:06 <addison> present+ Addison
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15:00:30 <addison> Present+ Richard
15:00:34 <addison> present+ David
15:01:28 <andrewc> present+
15:02:34 <addison> agenda?
15:03:20 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:03:20 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
15:03:40 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:03:40 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
15:03:46 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:04:41 <addison> richard: encoding tests, ran again. suspicion that things are changing
15:04:50 <addison> ... ran tests for FF nightly, chrome, canary
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15:05:06 <addison> ... significant progress, in good part due to Henri finishing his work
15:05:10 <addison> ... FF much more conformant
15:05:18 <addison> ... identified a bunch of issues with the tests
15:05:29 <addison> ... need to find time to fix the tests
15:05:40 <addison> ... Henri has reviewed and signed off several other tests
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15:09:04 <addison> action-615?
15:09:04 <trackbot> action-615 -- Addison Phillips to Finalize floating time article for publication -- due 2017-05-04 -- OPEN
15:09:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/615
15:09:08 <addison> close action-615
15:09:08 <trackbot> Closed action-615.
15:10:15 <addison> action-622?
15:10:16 <trackbot> action-622 -- Richard Ishida to Forward poe/ordl comments on behalf of bert -- due 2017-06-08 -- OPEN
15:10:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/622
15:11:49 <addison> addison to do 622
15:12:02 <addison> action-623?
15:12:02 <trackbot> action-623 -- Addison Phillips to Reach out to webidl regarding tag-issue-178 -- due 2017-06-15 -- OPEN
15:12:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/623
15:12:06 <addison> close action-623
15:12:06 <trackbot> Closed action-623.
15:12:15 <addison> action-624?
15:12:15 <trackbot> action-624 -- Richard Ishida to Publish qa-floating-time for wide review -- due 2017-06-15 -- OPEN
15:12:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/624
15:12:20 <addison> close action-624
15:12:20 <trackbot> Closed action-624.
15:12:31 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:12:31 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
15:13:10 <addison> TPAC registration reminder
15:13:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:13:57 <addison> richard: unicode 10 to be released in about a week
15:13:58 <JohnO> present+ JohnO
15:13:59 <Klensin> present+  JcK
15:14:00 <addison> ... look out for it
15:14:05 <addison> ... in the meantime
15:14:05 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/uniview/?block=soyombo&char=11AA0
15:14:17 <addison> richard: can play with unicode 10 in uniview
15:14:34 <addison> ... link above includes soyombo block and a character in that block
15:14:43 <addison> david: where is soyombo from?
15:14:49 <addison> richard: central asia
15:15:05 <addison> ... haven't linked to the script links page
15:15:11 <addison> ... hope to do soon
15:15:32 <addison> richard: hoping to publish full text of standard at same time as data files (for the first time)
15:15:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:25:19 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/uniview/?block=cham
15:27:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:27:14 <addison> agenda?
15:28:05 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:28:05 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Radar" taken up [from addison]
15:28:13 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
15:28:47 <addison> fantasai: box align on the list?
15:29:14 <addison> addison: send me a link and I'll put it on
15:29:32 <addison> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:32:00 <addison> richard: they closed the international email addresses issue
15:32:13 <addison> ... we asked chaals to talk to us but it didn't come off
15:32:21 <addison> ... may need to fish out/reopen
15:33:19 <addison> ... should probably try to put on issue list
15:33:37 <addison> action: addison: check status of HTML EAI issue and reopen as necessary
15:33:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-625 - Check status of html eai issue and reopen as necessary [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-06-22].
15:34:10 <addison> agenda?
15:34:24 <addison> richard: getting a few questions from edx javascript course
15:34:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:34:51 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Semantic Sensor Network Ontology (review)" taken up [from addison]
15:37:33 <addison> action: addison: notify semantic sensor network ontology folks that review is complete
15:37:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-626 - Notify semantic sensor network ontology folks that review is complete [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-06-22].
15:37:39 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:37:39 <Zakim> agendum 6. "FW: [webidl] Serialization of natural language (TAG issue 178)" taken up [from I18N-ACTION-623 via addison]
15:44:52 <addison> pull together core doc, then requirements for specs
15:45:07 <fantasai> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-align/
15:45:10 <addison> richard: include intro material into specdev?
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15:48:48 <addison> action: addison: pull together "requirements for language and direction information in data formats" draft
15:48:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-627 - Pull together "requirements for language and direction information in data formats" draft [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-06-22].
15:49:02 <addison> action: addison: send to list the documents to be combined
15:49:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-628 - Send to list the documents to be combined [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-06-22].
15:49:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/15-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:49:35 <addison> Topic: AOB?
15:49:52 <addison> fantasai: overview of css-align
15:50:18 <addison> addison: areas of interest?
15:50:40 <addison> fantasai: two sets of properties, logically derived
15:50:43 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-align/
15:50:51 <addison> ... sensitive to writing-mode
15:50:56 <addison> ... one thing that's tricky
15:51:04 <addison> ... start/end are relative to containing block
15:51:15 <addison> ... align-self uses containing block's direction
15:51:30 <addison> ... that way start for list is to the list, not the list item
15:51:43 <addison> ... also self-start/end
15:51:50 <addison> ... baseline alignment is very hairy
15:52:08 <addison> ... using the "dominent baseline" by default
15:52:18 <addison> s/dominent/dominant/
15:53:28 <addison> ... using container baseline, hanging off that. that's tricky
15:53:41 <addison> fantasai: other thing is opposing writing-modes
15:54:17 <addison> ... if you have mirrored writing modes, allow first vs. last
15:54:24 <addison> addison: (pines for illustrations)
15:54:47 <addison> fantasai: haven't figured out how to make easy to understand
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15:57:16 <addison> addison: timeline?
15:57:25 <addison> fantasai: pretty soon?
15:57:49 <addison> ... can fold in comments post-CR
16:00:02 <addison> richard: ttml and imsc folks, can anyone pitch in on discussions
16:00:13 <addison> jck: can you send summary to list?
16:00:18 <addison> richard: putting link in
16:00:28 <fantasai> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1171
16:00:56 <addison> fantasai: is there a mode break-all for punctuation but keeps letters together
16:01:04 <r12a> John (and others) look at http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/ under TTML and IMSC
16:01:18 <fantasai> Is there a mode where kinsoku rules are relaxed entirely, but there exist restrictions on letters?
16:01:59 <addison> don't know one, but might still exist?
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16:13:16 <addison> present+ JohnO
16:13:21 <addison> regrets: Bert
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16:14:29 <addison> s/FW: //
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16:15:31 <r12a> s/try to put on issue list/try to put a comment on the html issue list/
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