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13:53:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Device and Sensors Working Group Teleconference
13:53:22 <trackbot> Date: 15 June 2017
13:53:45 <dom> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017Jun/0002.html
13:53:47 <dom> Chair: Dom
13:53:54 <dom> Regrets: Frederick
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14:02:43 <anssik> TOPIC: Minutes approval
14:02:46 <dom> ScribeNick: anssik
14:02:58 <dom> Proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 18 May 2017 are approved https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2017May/att-0024/minutes-2017-05-18.html
14:02:58 <anssik> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 18 May 2017 are approved
14:03:12 <anssik> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 18 May 2017 are approved
14:03:32 <anssik> TOPIC: HTML Media Capture
14:03:48 <anssik> dom: checking if we can go to PR next month
14:03:51 <anssik> ... is that correct?
14:04:09 <anssik> http://w3c.github.io/test-results/html-media-capture/20170428.html
14:04:11 <dom> -> http://w3c.github.io/test-results/html-media-capture/20170428.html HTML Media Capture Test Results
14:04:16 <shalamov> Present+ Alexander_Shalamov
14:05:05 <anssik> dom: the 1 failing test case could be not applicable as well
14:05:19 <anssik> ... have to wait for couple of weeks before entering PR
14:05:34 <anssik> TOPIC: Sensors API
14:05:45 <anssik> dom: what is our vision to bring the work to CR?
14:05:54 <anssik> ... what needs to be update re wide reviews
14:06:20 <dom> anssik: we want to get closure on open pull requests
14:06:25 <dom> ... then we should triage open issues
14:06:43 <dom> ... I would like to have level 1 issues marking what we want to get in our CR
14:06:50 <dom> ... the rest would be for later versions
14:06:59 <dom> ... goal is to go to CR this year
14:07:28 <dom> ... [this is for generic sensor, but we would also want to go to CR with some of the most-baked concrete sensors]
14:08:05 <anssik> dom: what's your feeling on the actual timeline?
14:08:10 <wanming> Present+ Wanming_Lin
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14:08:32 <dom> anssik: timeline will depend on editorship situation
14:09:11 <dom> ... assuming dedicated full time editorship, this would need addressing level 1 issues (~30)
14:09:29 <dom> kenneth: there is also the F2F to take into account in the picture
14:09:39 <dom> ... it helps with getting a broad overview of the status
14:10:04 <dom> alex: closing issues can be fast, but some of them have dependencies to other groups / specs
14:10:43 <dom> anssik: plan is to have outside TPAC F2F; but we can still have an unofficial session at TPAC
14:10:54 <dom> kenneth: but for coordination, TPAC remains nice even if DAS is not meeting formally
14:12:24 <dom> anssik: chrome origin trial starting in the near future
14:12:33 <dom> ... we would want to include that feedback in the spec prior to CR
14:13:09 <dom> ... CR this year is optimistic - but that should be our target
14:13:19 <dom> ... which means we should have a CR-worthy spec by the time of TPAC
14:13:55 <dom> mikhail: it would be nice to align spec / implementation prior to origin trial
14:14:22 <anssik> dom: the chair is looking at the editorship issue
14:14:30 <anssik> ... after that we can get clarify on the timeline
14:17:09 <dom> ACTION: Alexander to take a stab a level-1 issue classification
14:17:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-800 - Take a stab a level-1 issue classification [on Alexander Shalamov - due 2017-06-22].
14:18:35 <anssik> TOPIC: Wake lock
14:18:51 <anssik> [the editor not on the call]
14:19:00 <anssik> dom: new activity, suggestions from Microsoft
14:19:07 <anssik> ... hoping to be able to take this to CR
14:19:11 <anssik> TOPIC: Battery Status API
14:19:24 <anssik> dom: two things: new activity on issue #10
14:19:43 <anssik> ... and secondly, revised CR plan
14:20:01 <anssik> https://github.com/w3c/battery/issues/10
14:20:05 <dom> anssi: mounir noticed the security change in issue 10
14:20:18 <anssik> https://github.com/w3c/battery/issues/5#issuecomment-257554180
14:24:05 <dom> sounds like another case where we might want to rely on https://wicg.github.io/feature-policy/ too
14:24:09 <anssik> dom: perhaps iframed content that shares the origin with the top-level should not be restricted
14:25:39 <dom> " The Battery API can be used by third party content for valid reasons." https://github.com/w3c/battery/issues/10#issuecomment-308107841
14:26:39 <anssik> dom: do we want to reopen issue #10?
14:26:47 <anssik> ... or do research first?
14:26:59 <anssik> anssik: maybe reopening is the right thing to do
14:27:46 <anssik> anssik: just reopened https://github.com/w3c/battery/issues/10
14:28:04 <anssik> dom: should be feedback from people who chimed in on issue #5
14:32:09 <dom> dom: also, worth noting that mounir is pointing at real-world usage of the battery api for a/b testing - probably worth highlighting to get interest from more implementors
14:32:32 <anssik> TOPIC: Rechartering
14:33:02 <anssik> dom: current charter expiring by the end of this year, assume we want to continue beyond this year to finish the current work and possibly adopt new work
14:33:27 <anssik> possible candidates for inclusion in this group:
14:33:30 <dom> https://www.w3.org/TR/orientation-event/
14:33:30 <anssik> * taking over device orientation v1?
14:33:30 <anssik> * geo v2?
14:33:30 <anssik> * webbluetooth?
14:33:30 <anssik> * webusb?
14:33:30 <anssik> * webnfc?
14:33:58 <anssik> dom: Geolocation WG closed, had Geolocation API and Device Orientation API in scope
14:34:21 <anssik> ... Device Orientation API was not finished, suggestion for DAS to take the spec to REC
14:34:54 <anssik> ... also Geolocation API "v2" a possibility, e.g. background operation
14:35:16 <anssik> ... WebBT, WebNFC, WebUSB also would be natural extensions to the DAS group
14:36:17 <dom> anssi: DAS WG is probably the best fit for all of these work items in terms of scope
14:36:30 <dom> ... Device Orientation would benefit from the sensor expertise of this group
14:36:39 <dom> ... geo could remodeled after generic sensor
14:37:02 <dom> ... the 3 incubation specs (bluetooth, nfc, usb) would benefit from more common interactions
14:37:14 <dom> ... incl in F2F and/or calls
14:37:29 <dom> ... they share a lot in common (e.g. permission model, API shape) - we could learn from each other
14:38:01 <dom> ... WebBluetooth is enabled by default in Chrome
14:38:12 <dom> ... WebUSB is in intent to ship
14:38:24 <dom> https://www.chromestatus.com/features/5651917954875392
14:38:45 <dom> -> https://www.chromestatus.com/features/6261030015467520 WebNFC Chrome status
14:38:59 <dom> ... WebNFC will go to origin trial in the near future
14:39:08 <dom> ... would be good to transition to WG
14:39:29 <dom> ... adding these to this group would also help diversify participation which would be good
14:39:56 <anssik> dom: that's the first level of support for extending the group
14:40:20 <anssik> ... if we do this, we'd expect the CG participants from the related CGs to join this WG
14:40:31 <anssik> ... will take this discussion to the list
14:40:46 <anssik> TOPIC: Other Business
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