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12:02:35 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda
12:02:49 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Dave_Raggett, Kunihiko_Toumura, Matthias_Kovatch, Michael_Koster, Taki_Kamiya
12:03:04 <kaz> scribenick: McCool
12:03:10 <kaz> scribe: Michael_McCool
12:03:48 <McCool> no BigIoT call today; will be at Dusseldorf F2F; Bosch will therefore be at OpenDay
12:04:44 <McCool> add quick update about "marketing" to the agenda
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12:05:19 <McCool> also policy about observers to F2F logistics
12:05:55 <McCool> also outreach
12:06:03 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#14_June_2017
12:06:14 <McCool> (all above items under review of chair's meeting)
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12:07:40 <McCool> cross-task-force collaboration
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12:08:01 <McCool> to discuss collab of Security, Scripting, and Architecture
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12:08:52 <kaz_> rrsagent, make log public
12:08:56 <kaz_> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:08:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/06/14-wot-minutes.html kaz_
12:09:37 <McCool> quick updates
12:09:44 <kaz_> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Agenda
12:09:47 <McCool> will be T2T update in Prague
12:09:48 <kaz_> s/quick/topic: quick/
12:09:56 <mkovatsc> https://github.com/t2trg/2017-07-wishi/blob/master/AGENDA.md
12:10:15 <McCool> Tim Carey, with Nokia
12:10:26 <kaz_> Meeting: WoT IG/WG
12:10:32 <kaz_> Chair: Matthias
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12:11:10 <yongjing_> hi my browser collapsed again.
12:11:37 <yongjing_> will connect the audio soon and provide some info regarding the oneM2M representative in T2TRG Workshop
12:11:51 <zkis> present+ Zoltan_Kis
12:12:08 <kaz_> present+ Achille_Zappa, Johannes_Hund, Katsuyoshi_Naka, Kazuaki_Nimura, Masato_Ohura, Takeshi_Yamada, Keiichi_Tokuyama, Zoltan_Kis
12:12:35 <McCool> T2T will have talks from many "unions" or groups: OMA, IPSO, oneM2M, OCF, iot.schema.org, Haystack, Fairhair, etc
12:13:02 <McCool> a reequest template was sent around with list of specific questions to answer/discuss
12:13:11 <kaz> present+ Yongjing_Zhang
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12:15:35 <McCool> one or two pages in oneM2M will discuss WoT semantic interop, home appliance information models
12:16:07 <McCool> will be similar to what Yongjing has presented in WoT F2F previously
12:16:49 <McCool> Matthias to see if can get aligned with them
12:17:45 <McCool> Fairhair: metaspecification for BAC: BACnet, KNX, Zigbee; also interested in meta and binary representations of same
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12:18:14 <McCool> Haystack: taxonomy vs. ontologies
12:19:01 <McCool> Sunday schedule not yet set... but will present on TD
12:20:23 <McCool> another topic for discussion: hypermedia, perhaps a more straightforward approach than Hydra (who will not be presenting...)
12:20:33 <achille_zappa> present+ achille._zappa
12:20:36 <McCool> name of the workshop includes this idea
12:21:09 <McCool> Michael Koster: annotating hypermedia controls was previously discussed
12:21:27 <McCool> Matthias: no registration fee needed, don't need IETF pass
12:21:29 <kaz> regrets+ Darko_Anicic
12:21:40 <McCool> but do need to register, deadline is 23 June
12:21:44 <McCool> look at above link
12:21:57 <mkovatsc> https://github.com/t2trg/2017-07-wishi/
12:21:59 <mkovatsc> q?
12:22:15 <McCool> topic: marketing
12:22:33 <kaz> mm: discussion during the f2f and the Chairs call
12:22:47 <kaz> ... have not got feedback yet
12:23:19 <kaz> ... audience includes both the W3C Members and non-Members
12:23:30 <kaz> ... Kaz and Dave talking with the Comm/BusDev Team
12:23:46 <kaz> ... impact of W3C's WoT
12:23:51 <kaz> ... how to improve materials?
12:24:04 <kaz> ... ask you for a paragraph, etc.
12:24:12 <kaz> ... discussion for a few minutes here?
12:24:45 <kaz> ... if there are no specific opinions now, we can continue the discussion on the group list
12:24:48 <kaz> mk: sounds good
12:25:09 <kaz> mm: would put a more coherent plan with the W3C MarComm team
12:25:29 <kaz> mk: hard to get opinions during the call directly
12:25:34 <kaz> ... materials from Osaka?
12:25:46 <kaz> mm: would do that within a few weeks
12:25:58 <kaz> ... presented slides during the f2f
12:26:16 <McCool> Matthias and Daniel also to be working on a proposal for an improved web presence
12:26:18 <kaz> ... maybe could update them next week
12:26:46 <kaz> ... maybe should create a pull request?
12:27:00 <kaz> mk: a flier on GitHub?
12:27:15 <kaz> mm: we can issues, etc., too
12:27:25 <McCool> McCool: to create a pull request for vision dicussion
12:27:35 <McCool> s/dicussion/discussion/
12:27:46 <kaz> i/discussion during/scribenick: kaz/
12:27:53 <mkovatsc> q?
12:27:54 <kaz> i/to create/scribenick: McCool/
12:28:38 <McCool> kaz to create a marketing directory and/or repo
12:29:08 <McCool> might be best to not include this discussion in the public eye...
12:29:14 <McCool> topic: outreach
12:29:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:29:39 <McCool> for instance, AWS IoT/Greengrass; McCool looking into this
12:30:00 <McCool> might be hard to get for Dusseldorf, but plan B would be to aim for TPAC
12:30:16 <McCool> unless someone has a contact please talk to Michael
12:30:16 <kaz> i/no BigIoT/topic: agenda/
12:30:33 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:31:16 <mkovatsc> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/tech-landscape/landscape.html
12:31:47 <McCool> Matthias: would be good to update the technology landscape: needs both OpenFog and AWS GG
12:32:30 <McCool> for those that joined recently, if you could take a look and suggest changes?
12:32:47 <mkovatsc> q?
12:33:58 <McCool> Michael to create a pull request, add AWS GG and OpenFog
12:34:51 <mkovatsc> q?
12:35:05 <McCool> correction: will just edit directly for AWS GG and OpenFog, but if others want to add something can also do so, via an issue if necessary
12:35:14 <McCool> topic: F2F logistics
12:35:15 <mkovatsc> q?
12:35:28 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/WoTF2F201707/results f2f registration results
12:35:32 <McCool> last monday was the deadline to register...
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12:35:52 <McCool> kaz: 35 answers, 33 present, 2 remote
12:36:16 <McCool> but, hotel information was distributed late; will re-open site so people can add hotel information and affiliation
12:37:12 <McCool> also, several requests for observers; open day no problem, but also requests to observe plenary and breakout sessions
12:37:28 <McCool> many are universities (eg PhD students) but also industrial, eg BMW
12:37:46 <McCool> ok to attend, but we need to remind people of patent policy, etc.
12:37:55 <mkovatsc> q?
12:38:09 <McCool> kaz to make a presentation at the beginning of the meeting on W3C IP policy
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12:38:45 <McCool> Koster wants to invite someone from Google for iot.schema.org collab
12:40:18 <McCool> if just presenting work already public, no problem; but technical contributions
12:41:18 <mkovatsc> q?
12:41:28 <McCool> kaz: we need to clearly mark which are IG and which are WG sessions
12:42:07 <McCool> I think just putting IG and WG on each Agenda item would be a good start
12:43:24 <McCool> also, agenda needs to be filled out
12:43:44 <McCool> each TF needs to propose some set of breakouts, at least
12:43:58 <McCool> there is now an "Input" section, we will schedule it later
12:44:24 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_9-13_July_2017,_D%C3%BCsseldorf,_Germany#Input
12:45:08 <McCool> what we have so far...
12:45:28 <McCool> BIGIoT project... specifically on marketplaces
12:45:40 <McCool> iot.schema.org
12:47:34 <McCool> Others?  Matthias to reach out to Evrythng
12:48:15 <McCool> ICN?
12:48:42 <McCool> Matthias to try and find a speaker on this topic...
12:51:21 <McCool> one demo: wrap the following with a WoT interface: https://github.com/01org/SmartHome-Demo
12:52:00 <McCool> Koster has a specific proposal for how to do protocol bindings that this should also test
12:52:13 <dsr> present+ Dave_Raggett
12:52:28 <mkovatsc> q?
12:52:58 <McCool> topic: TF reports - TD
12:53:20 <McCool> want to conclude the current work on Friday, freeze it, then update current practices for plugfest
12:54:49 <mkovatsc> https://w3c.github.io/wot-thing-description/
12:55:34 <kaz> q+
12:55:37 <mkovatsc> q?
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12:57:23 <McCool_> regarding TD spec: a lot of work still needed at current practice document still depends heavily on examples, needs a clearer definition of type system, etc
12:58:06 <McCool_> kaz: material for plugfest version?
12:59:03 <McCool_> Matthias: create osaka folder, capture previous test material
12:59:12 <McCool_> topic: Scripting API TF report
12:59:20 <McCool_> joint call with security TF on monday
12:59:22 <kaz> i/regarding TD/scribenick: McCool_/
12:59:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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12:59:30 <McCool_> discussion of how to separate security contexts
12:59:45 <McCool_> what assumptions can script writers make?   See issue 30
12:59:56 <jhund> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/30
13:00:52 <McCool_> issue with small device with only one context, vs cloud with multiple tenants, vs gateway that might add drivers
13:01:16 <McCool_> there are several different scenarios that affect how security is handled; we have to decide what we can safely ignore
13:01:37 <McCool_> also discussed protocol binding as a natural boundary
13:02:00 <kaz> q+ zkis
13:02:02 <kaz> ack z
13:02:04 <kaz> q-
13:02:20 <McCool_> zoltan: protocol bindings fairly complex; need more experience
13:02:43 <McCool_> before we can draft what separation level is necessary
13:02:57 <McCool_> what do we want to abstract?
13:04:07 <mkovatsc> q?
13:04:24 <McCool_> two other things brought up: firmware vs. dynamically loadable scripts
13:04:48 <McCool_> second issue was what metadata is needed, what prior work, web manifests, etc.
13:05:18 <McCool_> need to do threat analysis for various use cases
13:05:26 <McCool_> topic: Security TF
13:06:47 <McCool_> we discussed smart home use case; list of relevant threats
13:07:03 <McCool_> next step would be a security archtitecture
13:08:04 <McCool_> Elena is expecting some additional input on appropriate use cases (and contexts, eg gateway, endpoint, cloud service, etc)
13:08:53 <McCool_> please do take the time to look at the threat analysis document and provide input
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13:09:16 <McCool_> topic: OCF Liaison
13:11:56 <McCool_> Koster presented his protocol binding proposal
13:12:07 <McCool_> will eventually make its way into a pull request to the TD
13:12:31 <McCool_> then presented Smart Home demo... still working on getting it working on actual hardware
13:13:04 <McCool_> then we have to actually implement a protocol binding... McCool to work on this, but probably won't be able to OSS it in time for F2F
13:13:06 <mkovatsc> q?
13:13:15 <McCool_> but should at least be able to demonstrate it.
13:13:18 <mkovatsc> 5
13:13:18 <kaz> q+
13:13:18 <mkovatsc> 4
13:13:21 <McCool_> Matthias: anything else?
13:13:42 <McCool_> kaz: how to make the collab between various TFs work better?
13:14:02 <McCool_> maybe allocate some time for feedback during main call?
13:14:20 <McCool_> Matthias: when TF has something that needs to be shared, then it is in the main call
13:14:45 <McCool_> that is the whole idea of the updates, which should be focussed on conclusions, not just we did this and did that
13:15:20 <McCool_> kaz: will ask Kajimoto-san about his opinion
13:15:30 <McCool_> McCool: other option is just to schedule a joint meeting
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13:15:42 <McCool_> Matthias: adjourn!
13:15:45 <mkovatsc> Done :)
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