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12:56:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SHAPES
12:56:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
12:56:15 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Data Shapes Working Group Teleconference
12:56:15 <trackbot> Date: 31 May 2017
12:56:19 <TallTed> chair: TallTed
12:56:25 <TallTed> present+
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13:02:35 <hknublau> trackbot, start meeting
13:02:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs rdf-data-shapes
13:02:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SHAPES
13:02:41 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Data Shapes Working Group Teleconference
13:02:41 <trackbot> Date: 31 May 2017
13:02:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
13:02:58 <hknublau> present+
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13:06:20 <simonstey> scribe: simonstey
13:06:40 <TallTed> scribenick: simonstey
13:06:50 <simonstey> topic: admin
13:07:04 <TallTed> PROPOSED: Approve minutes of the 24 May 2017 Telecon: https://www.w3.org/2017/05/24-shapes-minutes.html
13:07:31 <hknublau> +1
13:07:34 <Jack_> +1
13:07:38 <pano> +1
13:07:40 <simonstey> TallTed: scribe/chair didn't get done right
13:07:43 <simonstey> +1
13:07:50 <TallTed> +0 (absent)
13:08:02 <sandro> +1
13:08:11 <TallTed> RESOLVED: Approve minutes of the 24 May 2017 Telecon: https://www.w3.org/2017/05/24-shapes-minutes.html
13:08:51 <simonstey> TallTed: last call of this WG
13:09:13 <TallTed> TOPIC: PR Status Update
13:09:14 <simonstey> ... we have a status update for PR
13:09:45 <simonstey> sandro: I thought we gonna publish yesterday, didn't work out
13:09:53 <simonstey> TallTed: a technical snag?
13:09:59 <simonstey> sandro: political
13:10:19 <simonstey> ... I can't say anything about it though
13:10:40 <simonstey> ... we'll find some compromise hopefully
13:11:36 <hknublau> * no
13:14:42 <simonstey> [general discussion about the current status]
13:16:23 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/shacl/results
13:18:59 <sandro> (member confidential link)
13:19:28 <simonstey> +q
13:28:04 <hknublau> ack simonstey
13:33:28 <simonstey> TallTed: at this point, there's not much we can do
13:33:46 <simonstey> ... other than wait
13:33:57 <TallTed> TOPIC: WG Notes
13:34:27 <simonstey> TallTed: I've seen a lot of communication
13:35:32 <simonstey> ... a lot of notes are a snapshot in time
13:35:46 <simonstey> ... and someone might pick it up in the future
13:36:01 <simonstey> sandro: but what's the benefit of that?
13:36:16 <simonstey> ... CG & github space e.g.
13:36:53 <simonstey> TallTed: the note could say "look at the CG for the current progess/status"
13:37:46 <simonstey> hknublau: sandro what's your impression? I just don't want to shoot ourself in the foot
13:38:00 <simonstey> sandro: I don't think it's a good idea..
13:38:29 <simonstey> ... to make a CG you need a paragraph explaining what it is, 5 members, and a name
13:38:52 <simonstey> ....
13:39:11 <simonstey> ... I don't see any reason to not publish the other 2 notes
13:39:48 <simonstey> hknublau: I already have an implementation, test cases, etc.
13:40:34 <simonstey> ... no one can stop a CG
13:41:04 <TallTed> PROPOSED: Create `SHACL Compact Syntax CG` with all possible speed (starting now), and upon github space creation, branch the Compact Syntax and supporting doc, tests, etc.
13:41:27 <simonstey> sandro: I think it would be a good idea to treat the compact syntax as if it would go through CR
13:41:37 <TallTed> PROPOSED: Create `SHACL CG` with all possible speed (starting now), and upon github space creation, branch the Compact Syntax and supporting doc, tests, etc.
13:41:48 <simonstey> +1
13:41:50 <hknublau> +1
13:41:50 <sandro> +1
13:41:52 <TallTed> +1
13:41:57 <Jack_> +1
13:42:11 <Dimitris> +1
13:42:57 <simonstey> sandro: someone would need to take the action of creating the CG
13:43:26 <TallTed> RESOLVED: Create `SHACL CG` with all possible speed (starting now), and upon github space creation, branch the Compact Syntax and supporting doc, tests, etc.
13:43:57 <TallTed> PROPOSED: Withdraw publication request for SHACL Compact Syntax Note
13:44:05 <TallTed> +1
13:44:05 <Dimitris> q+
13:44:06 <hknublau> +0
13:44:15 <hknublau> ack Dimitris
13:44:51 <sandro> +1
13:45:46 <Jack_> +1
13:45:52 <simonstey> Dimitris: If it's possible to link to a new version of the CS from the note, maybe we should do that
13:45:53 <simonstey> +1
13:45:54 <TallTed> https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2017.05.31#SHACL_Community_Group
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13:49:07 <TallTed> https://www.w3.org/community/groups/proposed/
13:49:08 <ipolikof> present+
13:50:57 <Dimitris> +1
13:52:16 <TallTed> RESOLVED: Withdraw publication request for SHACL Compact Syntax Note
13:52:19 <pano2> +1
13:53:45 <simonstey> sandro: if things go at all well, the WG will be formally extended (in a maintenance mode)
13:54:33 <Jack_> forgot my password, fixing
13:55:44 <simonstey> TallTed: the CG will have its own mailing list etc.
13:56:32 <simonstey> sandro: it's not allowed to use webex, but there are other alternatives
13:57:22 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:57:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/31-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
13:57:28 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
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