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12:53:32 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:53:33 <trackbot> Date: 31 May 2017
12:53:48 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0045
12:54:03 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0045
12:54:09 <Steven> Chair: Steven
12:54:16 <Steven> Regrets: Alain
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13:02:50 <Steven> Present: Erik, Philip, Steven
13:03:09 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2126: Update dispatch text not to accept garbage for @delay
13:03:09 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0038.html
13:03:23 <Steven> Steven: Please check the text
13:03:42 <Steven> Topic: Dispatch with delay="0"
13:03:42 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0034.html
13:03:42 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0042.html
13:04:02 <Steven> Steven: Two parts, one is Erik's reply about JS
13:04:21 <Steven> Erik: You can dispatch events synchronously in JS
13:04:37 <Steven> Steven: So that answered the question we had last week
13:05:14 <Steven> Erik: Had it not been the case, we should have done asynch events only
13:05:45 <Steven> ... we don't say in the spec whether dispatch should be able to do synchronous events
13:06:35 <Steven> Steven: So your suggestion is that no @delay or delay="" is synchronous, and delay="0" is asynchronous
13:06:46 <Steven> Erik: We should clarify that.
13:07:48 <Steven> Steven: We should check that Alain is happy with that, since he said last week that his events were always asynch
13:08:32 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to tighten wording about effect of @delay on <dispatch/>
13:08:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2127 - Tighten wording about effect of @delay on <dispatch/> [on Steven Pemberton - due 2017-06-07].
13:08:51 <Steven> Steven: I will also explicitly check with Alain.
13:09:05 <Steven> Topic: Events after xforms-disabled
13:09:05 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017May/0030
13:09:09 <Steven> Steven: Related.
13:09:47 <Steven> ... How to ensure that the controls get the event before the handlers are disabled (and vice versa).
13:10:52 <Steven> ... How about sending the disabled event synchronously.
13:11:53 <Steven> Erik: Maybe a bit tricky
13:14:00 <Steven> ... the problem is that we are in the middle of refresh; it was nice that the refresh was atomic
13:14:56 <Steven> Steven: I understand that; it's just how to ensure that the control receives its disabled event before it is disabled
13:18:02 <Steven> Erik: DOM doesn't have such a property of turning event listeners off
13:18:29 <Steven> Steven: But SMIL does; in some ways it is a problem with the design of the DOM
13:19:33 <Steven> Erik: I'm not sure we need to define anything actually
13:19:49 <Steven> ... an exception might be DOMActivate
13:21:10 <Steven> ... if an action dispatches to a disabled element, maybe you wouldn't want it to be activated
13:22:03 <Steven> Steven: It sounds like we need to do a bit more thinking, because I don't see a solution yet, except to leave it sort of vague as it is now in the spec.
13:22:28 <Steven> Steven: Do you disable listeners in a disabled control?
13:22:37 <Steven> Erik: Need to check, but I don't think so.
13:22:48 <Steven> Steven: At present undecided.
13:22:59 <Steven> Topic: Serialization as multipart/related
13:22:59 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2017Mar/0024
13:23:15 <Steven> Steven: I had an action item to spec up <part/>
13:23:25 <Steven> ... which I have now started
13:23:45 <Steven> ... it turns out to be stickier than I had expected,
13:23:53 <Steven> ... hopefully ready by next week.
13:23:59 <Steven> Topic: AOB
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