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13:01:08 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Data Shapes Working Group Teleconference
13:01:08 <trackbot> Date: 17 May 2017
13:01:15 <hknublau> present+
13:01:52 <Jack_> present+
13:03:00 <sandro> present+
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13:05:01 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
13:05:01 <Zakim> Present: hknublau, Jack_, sandro
13:05:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see ipolikof, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, Jack_, hknublau, Nicky, dallemang, trackbot, sandro
13:05:09 <TallTed> present+
13:05:25 <TallTed> chair: ipolikof
13:05:29 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:05:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/17-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
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13:07:58 <TallTed> ipolikof+
13:08:04 <ipolikof> PROPOSED: Approve minutes of the 10 May 2017 Telecon: https://www.w3.org/2017/05/10-shapes-minutes.html
13:08:05 <hknublau> scribenick: hknublau
13:08:13 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
13:08:13 <Zakim> Present: hknublau, Jack_, sandro, TallTed
13:08:14 <hknublau> +1
13:08:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see ipolikof, TallTed, Zakim, RRSAgent, Jack_, hknublau, Nicky, dallemang, trackbot, sandro
13:08:18 <ipolikof> +1
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13:08:28 <dallemang> =1
13:08:28 <sandro> +1
13:08:34 <TallTed> +1
13:08:38 <ipolikof> RESOLUTION: Approve minutes of the 10 May 2017 Telecon: https://www.w3.org/2017/05/10-shapes-minutes.html
13:08:45 <TallTed> +ipolikof
13:09:46 <TallTed> +dallemang
13:09:51 <TallTed> Zakim, who's on the call?
13:09:51 <Zakim> Present: hknublau, Jack_, sandro, TallTed, ipolikof, dallemang
13:10:47 <hknublau> ipolikof: Ongoing transition process at W3C
13:10:48 <Nicky> present+
13:10:59 <hknublau> Topic: Approving test cases
13:11:26 <hknublau> ipolikof: Peter has raised issue 85 on missing test case
13:11:52 <ipolikof> PROPOSED: Approve all test cases
13:11:55 <hknublau> +1
13:13:07 <sandro> http://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/data-shapes-test-suite/#validate-rdf-data-tests
13:13:12 <hknublau> @sandro: we have failures, does this require more scrutiny
13:13:30 <hknublau> hknublau: The Inria implementation only covers SHACL Core.
13:14:37 <ipolikof> PROPOSED: Approve all test cases with no failures
13:14:59 <hknublau> @sandro: Implementers should sign off that tests look OK while they don't implement them.
13:15:09 <hknublau> +1
13:16:04 <hknublau> Nicky: We simply didn't implement these features (e.g. property paths).
13:16:27 <hknublau> TallTed: It's just a matter of checking whether the tests look right.
13:16:33 <ipolikof> +1
13:16:39 <TallTed> +1
13:16:55 <sandro> +1
13:17:20 <Jack_> +1
13:17:42 <ipolikof> RESOLUTION: Approve all test cases with no failures
13:17:58 <sandro> Nicky: We didn't implement paths, so nearly all the failures are due to that
13:18:39 <sandro> TallTed: maybe change that report to 'not implemented'
13:18:40 <hknublau> TallTed: Could change them to "not implemented" in the report
13:19:10 <hknublau> ipolikof: Leaving to Nicky to reconfirm
13:20:26 <TallTed> PROPOSED: Approve remaining tests after Nicky confirms only result is "not implemented", tests look OK
13:20:34 <hknublau> +1
13:20:39 <Nicky> +1
13:20:46 <TallTed> +1
13:20:50 <dallemang> +1
13:20:50 <Jack_> +1
13:21:29 <ipolikof> PROPOSED: Once Netage confirms that failures are do to not implemented features, approve tests cases that do currently have failures
13:21:43 <ipolikof> +1
13:21:48 <TallTed> RESOLVED: Approve remaining tests after Nicky confirms only result is "not implemented", tests look OK
13:22:04 <TallTed> s/PROPOSED: Once Netage confirms that failures are do to not implemented features, approve tests cases that do currently have failures/ /
13:22:05 <ipolikof> RESOLUTION: Approve remaining tests after Nicky confirms only result is "not implemented", tests look OK
13:22:39 <ipolikof> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/issues/84
13:25:41 <dallemang> I have another meeting I need to get to
13:25:50 <hknublau> Subqueries must return all potentially pre-bound variables, except shapesGraph and currentShape which are optional as stated in 5.3.1
13:26:46 <ipolikof> PROPOSED: Add to Appendix A an editorial comment: Subqueries must return all potentially pre-bound variables, except shapesGraph and currentShape which are optional as stated in 5.3.1
13:27:02 <TallTed> +1
13:27:07 <hknublau> +1
13:27:07 <ipolikof> +1
13:27:11 <Jack_> +1
13:27:18 <Nicky> +1
13:27:37 <ipolikof> RESOLUTION: Add to Appendix A an editorial comment: Subqueries must return all potentially pre-bound variables, except shapesGraph and currentShape which are optional as stated in 5.3.1
13:27:56 <ipolikof> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/issues/85
13:28:34 <hknublau> ipolikof: Do we really need a test case for the optional $shapesGraph, $currentShape variables?
13:29:16 <hknublau> TallTed: The point of this part of the process is that each feature is specified precisely enough
13:32:51 <hknublau> ipolikof: requires more investigation
13:33:32 <hknublau> Topic: Formal objections
13:33:50 <hknublau> ipolikof: Explanation of Peter's new F.O.
13:34:00 <hknublau> ... Peter feels a new CR is needed.
13:35:08 <hknublau> ... we are not in a position to be forced to create a new CR at this stage.
13:36:34 <hknublau> Topic: WG Notes
13:36:51 <hknublau> ipolikof: Suggest review by everyone before next week, then decide to publish
13:41:11 <hknublau> ... Holger to send email to WG list about them.
13:42:10 <TallTed> ipolikof: adjourned
13:42:14 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:42:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/17-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
13:42:21 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
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