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19:59:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SDW
19:59:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
19:59:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:59:42 <trackbot> Date: 17 May 2017
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20:01:27 <ahaller2> present+ ahaller2
20:01:33 <eparsons> Hi all have trouble with webex... please wait
20:01:37 <ScottSimmons> present+ ScottSimmons
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20:04:47 <SimonCox> Is webex working?
20:04:58 <eparsons> Sorry my host key is not working so I cannot start the webex...
20:05:31 <SimonCox> Plan B?
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20:06:35 <ScottSimmons> I can get us a GoTo Meeting
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20:08:03 <ScottSimmons> we can use this GTM: https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/655312141
20:08:05 <eparsons> Plan B - https://hangouts.google.com/call/oaedzyiqvnedxh6c7ftvzugntmy
20:08:17 <ScottSimmons> OK, Ed's Hangouts wins as he is chair!
20:11:37 <eparsons> So my microphone is broken !!!
20:11:41 <SimonCox> we're all here ed!
20:11:47 <eparsons> Not my night !!!
20:12:05 <SimonCox> You get me up early for this?!?
20:12:18 <AndreaPerego> Sorry, Simon...
20:12:57 <eparsons> Sod it go on without me I need to restart
20:13:25 <SimonCox> We have no leadership or direction without ed!
20:13:35 <eparsons> But if I do you will lose the hangout so continue...
20:13:54 <eparsons> without my dulcet tones
20:13:55 <SimonCox> Scott - you'd b etter chair ...
20:14:22 <SimonCox> present+
20:14:23 <AndreaPerego> trackbot, start meeting
20:14:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
20:14:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SDW
20:14:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
20:14:29 <trackbot> Date: 17 May 2017
20:14:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
20:14:29 <SimonCox> present+
20:14:41 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
20:14:55 <ahaller2> scribe: ahaller2
20:15:01 <ahaller2> scribenick: ahaller2
20:15:04 <ScottSimmons> https://www.w3.org/2017/04/19-sdw-minutes
20:15:15 <ScottSimmons> +0
20:15:17 <eparsons> +1
20:15:18 <AndreaPerego> Topic: Approve last meeting minutes
20:15:18 <ahaller2> topic: Approving last time's meeting minutes
20:15:26 <ahaller2> +1
20:15:26 <SimonCox> +1
20:15:27 <AndreaPerego> +0 (not there)
20:15:45 <ahaller2> topic: Patent call
20:15:53 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
20:16:03 <ScottSimmons> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20170517
20:16:23 <AndreaPerego> resolution: Approve last meeting minutes
20:16:27 <eparsons> No others items
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20:17:04 <ahaller2> topic: Best Practices document report
20:17:19 <ScottSimmons> Chris - we are on the Google Hangout: https://hangouts.google.com/call/oaedzyiqvnedxh6c7ftvzugntmy
20:17:22 <SimonCox> for audio https://hangouts.google.com/call/oaedzyiqvnedxh6c7ftvzugntmy
20:17:34 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:17:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/17-sdw-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:17:51 <ahaller2> ... presentation to the OGC of the BP
20:18:19 <ahaller2> ... official positions like the BP document need a vote by the OGC technical committee
20:18:32 <ahaller2> ... item needs to pass by 2/3 yes to 1/3 no
20:19:02 <ahaller2> ... for a 45 day vote it is usual day 42 to get the majority in the ballott
20:19:06 <AndreaPerego> s/Topic: Approve last meeting minutes//
20:19:15 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:19:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/17-sdw-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:19:19 <ahaller2> s/ballott/ballot
20:19:40 <ahaller2> ... it is also going through the W3C process
20:20:03 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Bill, Lars, Chris, Jeremy, Matthew, François, Clemens, Payam
20:20:07 <ahaller2> ... any comments?
20:20:13 <ahaller2> q?
20:20:24 <ahaller2> SimonCox: OWL Time update
20:20:33 <ahaller2> ... tied down document 2-3 weeks ago
20:20:58 <ahaller2> ... review by the international standardisation group
20:21:08 <ahaller2> ... 6-7 issues were raised on GitHub
20:21:23 <ahaller2> ... spent the last couple of days on this
20:21:38 <AndreaPerego> chair: ScottSimmons
20:21:41 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Wide_Review#Disposition_of_issues_raised
20:22:23 <ahaller2> ... Issues were raised by Addison Philips by the W3C i18n Working Group
20:22:49 <ahaller2> ... Addison Philips is an expert on timezones and had some issues on that
20:23:13 <ahaller2> ... Have not solved the issue with the numbering of weeks in different jurisdictions
20:23:18 <ahaller2> q?
20:23:20 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:23:33 <SimonCox> numbering of week within year is locale specific was the other isse
20:23:36 <ahaller2> topic: SSN ontology
20:24:06 <SimonCox> SSN Ontology - currently in public review
20:24:19 <SimonCox> Phila and tidaust have not joined recently
20:24:29 <SimonCox> need to trigger review by i18n WG
20:24:48 <SimonCox> gathering implementation evidence
20:25:01 <SimonCox> Geoscience Australia is implementing SOSA Core (Samples)
20:25:18 <SimonCox> SIgnificant reviews , + f2f conversations
20:25:32 <SimonCox> main item that has been noted as missing is *examples*
20:25:38 <SimonCox> now trying to add more
20:26:05 <SimonCox> SOme continuing discussion about modelling of Properties and ObservableProperties - esp class vs instance
20:26:34 <SimonCox> RDFS & OWL cannot restrict other people's implementation choices, but document will offer recommended patterns
20:26:57 <SimonCox> One comment about how Actuation model was developed
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20:27:36 <SimonCox> One comment on Stimulus-Sensor-Observation - is there a similar Actuation pattern?
20:27:59 <AndreaPerego> regrets- Chris
20:28:05 <ChrisLittle> * Scott I've now installed Hangouts. What was the link again please? IRC was killed in the process
20:28:11 <ScottSimmons> Chris - we are on the Google Hangout: https://hangouts.google.com/call/oaedzyiqvnedxh6c7ftvzugntmy for audio
20:28:12 <SimonCox> SSO pattern introduced non-used class (Stimulus) so reluctant to introduce similar for Actuation (Event)
20:28:18 <SimonCox> s/Event/Effect/
20:28:27 <AndreaPerego> present+ ChrisLittle
20:28:43 <SimonCox> SOme 'features at risk' now marked.
20:29:22 <SimonCox> Have moved many into a separate ontology (file) so can be easily made non-normative without destroying the shape of the document.
20:29:35 <SimonCox> So still significant refactoring of document underway ...
20:29:41 <ahaller2> q?
20:30:28 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:30:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/17-sdw-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:30:29 <SimonCox> (back to Armin as scribe)
20:30:36 <ScottSimmons> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2017May/0221.html
20:31:14 <ahaller2> topic: Coverage
20:31:32 <ahaller2> ScottSimmons: QB4ST editor's draft
20:31:56 <ahaller2> ... EO-QB link to the editor's draft too
20:32:09 <ahaller2> ... CovJSON also link to the editor's draft
20:32:16 <ahaller2> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/eo-qb/
20:32:21 <ahaller2> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/qb4st/
20:32:28 <ahaller2> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/coverage-json/
20:33:06 <ahaller2> ... we are looking into options on what to do with these documents in the OGC
20:33:31 <ahaller2> topic: Joint W3C/OGC committee
20:33:58 <ahaller2> ... timeout period for the working group in the W3C, the OGC does not have that
20:34:29 <ahaller2> ... we are looking into a joint overarching working group and define a terms of reference
20:35:33 <ahaller2> ... OGC is the easier side for our joint work, Phil is working through the W3C hoops
20:35:54 <eparsons> Thank you
20:35:57 <ahaller2> q?
20:36:03 <ahaller2> topic: any other topics?
20:36:24 <AndreaPerego> [Silence]
20:36:45 <ahaller2> q?
20:37:03 <ahaller2> ChrisLittle: are you happy with how OWL-time turned out?
20:37:22 <ahaller2> SimonCox: Chose to allow our hands tight from the legacy
20:37:44 <ahaller2> ... achieved my objectives
20:37:57 <SimonCox> s/tight/tied/
20:38:22 <eparsons> Thanks Scott I think we are done !!
20:38:27 <ahaller2> meeting adjourned
20:38:33 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
20:38:35 <ScottSimmons> adios
20:38:37 <eparsons> macbook argh !!!
20:38:44 <eparsons> bye bye !!
20:38:48 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:38:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/05/17-sdw-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:38:51 <SimonCox> Don't they 'just work'?
20:39:08 <eparsons> not since steves passing
20:39:23 <SimonCox> Herbal remedies don't either
20:39:34 <eparsons> Ouch :-)
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21:02:18 <roba> lots of apologiues - and no host on webex - is this a  thing now?
21:13:24 <roba> ahh was 6.. :-(
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