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15:40:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:40:57 <trackbot> Date: 17 May 2017
15:40:58 <janina> agenda?
15:41:03 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:41:03 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
15:41:03 <janina> agenda+ Push API CfC
15:41:03 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Checkins
15:41:04 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:41:06 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:41:08 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:41:11 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:41:13 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:50:49 <janina> 
15:50:57 <janina> present+
15:51:01 <janina> Chair: Janina
15:51:10 <janina> regrets: Michiel, Leonie
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16:00:59 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:02:07 <tzviya> present+ tzviya
16:05:25 <MichaelC> present+
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16:06:10 <Gottfried> scribe: Gottfried
16:06:13 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:06:13 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:07:00 <Gottfried> Janina: any news?
16:07:03 <Gottfried> (nobody)
16:07:07 <Gottfried> zakim, close this item
16:07:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
16:07:08 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:07:08 <Zakim> 2. TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017 [from janina]
16:07:14 <Gottfried> zakim, open next item
16:07:14 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2017 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017" taken up [from janina]
16:07:40 <Gottfried> Janina: Draft agenda may be available in June.  But make a hotel reservation now.
16:08:42 <Gottfried> Janina: We don't know how to get the W3C rate for the hotel.
16:09:11 <Gottfried> Janina: Will keep checking.
16:09:16 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:09:16 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Push API CfC" taken up [from janina]
16:09:54 <Gottfried> Janina: I have drafted comments. Case: you don't want to be interrupted. I got no comments.
16:10:41 <Gottfried> ... I would like to reference Ted's Github issue. More generic use case. We need ways to tell to not push.
16:10:54 <Gottfried> ... I will put out a CfC for a formal decision of the group.
16:11:11 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:11:11 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Task Force Checkins" taken up [from janina]
16:12:02 <Gottfried> Michael: Cleaning up Coga publications. Talked with ARIA chairs on Monday.
16:12:41 <Gottfried> ... Trying to publish 3 COGA docs together. Focus on the REC-doc, i.e. ARIA doc.
16:12:59 <Gottfried> ... My highest prio is on the cog support for WCAG.
16:13:40 <Gottfried> Janina: No general problem with prioritization.  But COGA needs to deliver its docs as in the charter.  Should not stall them.
16:14:39 <Gottfried> ... We need to have these docs published and reviewed
16:14:54 <Gottfried> Michael: Docs are very long - can we expect them to be thoroughly reviewed?
16:15:21 <Gottfried> Janina: Maybe publish gap analysis - without issues paper?
16:15:34 <Gottfried> ... There might be other organizations interested in this.
16:15:55 <Gottfried> Michael: Gap analysis is the most useful one.  References the issue paper.
16:16:23 <Gottfried> ... We could publish as group note.
16:16:49 <tzviya> q+
16:17:20 <Gottfried> s/group note/working draft
16:17:41 <Gottfried> ... Danger of publishing a working draft as a note.
16:17:52 <Gottfried> ... But publishing a working draft without a note is a bad idea.
16:18:01 <janina> ack t
16:19:06 <Gottfried> Tzviya: Only a few people know about this work. You might get interested from DC and other accessibility organization that are focused on publishing.
16:19:36 <Gottfried> ... What about the CSS task force? - Issue with personalization semantics.
16:20:00 <Gottfried> ... Overwriting the layout with CSS semantics could cause problems.
16:20:48 <Gottfried> Janina: I have prepared a set of invitations to this call next week. On the topic of mechanisms for personalization on the Web.
16:21:02 <Gottfried> ... CSS, Media query, etc.
16:21:37 <Gottfried> ... I am going to send out some emails.
16:21:56 <Gottfried> Tzviya: I can join.  Can pass it on to others.
16:22:04 <Gottfried> Gottfried: Possible for me to join.
16:22:49 <Gottfried> Janina: What can we do with our 12-year old CAPTCHA paper? - Not ready yet.
16:23:23 <Gottfried> ... CSS task force had problems getting off the ground.  May need some support to get started.
16:23:32 <Gottfried> s/support/nudge
16:23:35 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:23:35 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:23:45 <Gottfried> action-2131
16:23:45 <trackbot> action-2131 -- Michael Cooper to Ask webappsec if csp is meant to block bookmarklets, and raise issue of a11y scripts that users explicitly request (not xss) -- due 2017-05-17 -- OPEN
16:23:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2131
16:24:06 <Gottfried> action-2129?
16:24:06 <trackbot> action-2129 -- Michael Cooper to Find publications that went straight to note without review opportunity -- due 2017-05-10 -- OPEN
16:24:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2129
16:24:32 <Gottfried> Michael: 54% of notes last year were published without a review draft.
16:24:41 <Gottfried> ... Will send this in an email to the wg.
16:25:40 <Gottfried> ... There are some process changes needed.
16:26:29 <Gottfried> action-2124?
16:26:29 <trackbot> action-2124 -- Janina Sajka to Follow up with johannes wilm on input events 1 and 2 wrt our comments on input events non-leveled -- due 2017-05-17 -- OPEN
16:26:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2124
16:26:46 <Gottfried> Janina: I am still waiting for Leonie
16:26:48 <Gottfried> action-2119?
16:26:48 <trackbot> action-2119 -- Janina Sajka to Review html 5.2 https://www.w3.org/tr/html52/ -- due 2017-05-17 -- OPEN
16:26:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2119
16:27:23 <MichaelC> close action-2119
16:27:23 <trackbot> Closed action-2119.
16:27:24 <Gottfried> Janina: Found no problem. Let's close it.
16:28:25 <Gottfried> Tzviya: Issue on ARIA details tag was closed by Charles.  Should be fine now.
16:29:05 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:29:05 <Zakim> agendum 6. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:29:28 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/motion-sensors/ Motion Sensors Explainer
16:30:13 <Gottfried> Michael: We sometimes have a11y input on use cases. Do we want to deal with this?
16:30:34 <Gottfried> Janina: Probably not - unless somebody has a particular use case.
16:30:56 <Gottfried> Michael: (reading from the use case section)
16:31:33 <Gottfried> Janina: No need to review
16:32:01 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/orientation-sensor/ Orientation Sensor
16:33:02 <Gottfried> Michael: Guessing this is low-level, but nothing on the API level.
16:33:12 <Gottfried> Janina: Yes, there could be a11y use cases.
16:34:15 <Gottfried> Gottfried: This doc refers to the motion sensors explainer doc.
16:34:42 <Gottfried> Michael: Cannot tell how comprehensive this API is.  But guessing we probably care more about API uses than the API itself.
16:35:10 <Gottfried> ... We need to come up with a white paper about web of things, device API, sensors etc.
16:35:23 <Gottfried> Janina: We need to complain about API specs not explaining themselves.
16:35:38 <Gottfried> Michael: Haven't made a formal complaint, only discussed this
16:35:40 <MichaelC> action: cooper to make a fuss about algorithmic specs
16:35:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2132 - Make a fuss about algorithmic specs [on Michael Cooper - due 2017-05-24].
16:35:44 <Gottfried> Janina: Need to come back to this.
16:36:11 <Gottfried> ... Need to pick up conversation with Ralf.  Other groups are impacted too.
16:36:47 <Gottfried> ... For us it is not only the problem of not being able to do an a11y review, but also resulting in badly written specs.
16:37:30 <Gottfried> Michael: We have 23 specs that are marked "in active review".
16:37:42 <Gottfried> ... 19 have a review assigned.
16:37:52 <Gottfried> Janina: We should get back to this in early June.
16:38:16 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:38:16 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
16:39:05 <Gottfried> Michael: I was reading on content security policy - looking for a11y issues - could not find out in the spec.  Talked with Ralf.
16:39:27 <Gottfried> ... Ralf said that we have to live with the preferred language style of the editor.  No resources to train editors or add additional editors.
16:39:57 <Gottfried> ... I believe we can still address this by drafting best practices to make editors aware of common problems.
16:40:17 <Gottfried> ... This will be an ongoing conversation with Ralf and the architecture team.
16:40:29 <Gottfried> Janina: Involve others? Internationalization?
16:41:03 <Gottfried> Michael: Presentation of i18n on how to review specs. They have similar processes, but different tools.
16:41:15 <Gottfried> ... I will discuss with them.
16:41:39 <Gottfried> Janina: Best practices policy manual should address this.
16:41:51 <Gottfried> Michael: Not a simple path.
16:42:24 <Gottfried> Janina: There is a wider community that wants to look at an API and understand before diving into.
16:42:49 <Gottfried> ... Should be a topic at the next TPAC on Wed.
16:43:07 <Gottfried> Michael: We should gather other interested parties before TPAC.
16:43:56 <Gottfried> Janina: Next call on architectural directions on achieving meaningful personalization.  Folks from the wider APA community are invited.
16:44:13 <Gottfried> ... I will send out the invitation.
16:44:48 <Gottfried> zakim, bye
16:44:48 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, tzviya, MichaelC
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