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16:01:13 <manu> Meeting: Digital Offers Community  Group
16:01:17 <manu> rrsagent, make logs public
16:01:23 <Ian> regrets+ Ian
16:01:25 <manu> present+ Linda
16:01:33 <manu> present+ Manu
16:01:34 <adam> present+ adam
16:01:42 <manu> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:03:09 <manu> present+ DavidE
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16:03:15 <manu> Present+ Lauri
16:03:49 <manu> scribe: dezell
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16:04:12 <manu> Present+ Brian
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16:04:39 <manu> Present+ Bob
16:04:54 <ltoth> Link for the CG Results:  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/94248/usecases-201704/results
16:05:37 <manu> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digitaloffers/2017May/0001.html
16:05:44 <manu> scribe: manu
16:06:07 <manu> Linda: Main purpose of this meeting is to prioritize use cases... We want to make sure we catch the 4-5 use cases to concentrate on. We want to concentrate on the right topics.
16:06:13 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:06:22 <manu> Chair: Linda
16:06:56 <manu> Linda: We wanted to get ideas from WPIG, and did get their input from face-to-face meeting. We are not bound by that input, but we do want to take that into account.
16:07:17 <dezell> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/73816/digoff201703/results
16:07:34 <manu> i/Linda: Main/Topic: Use Case Prioritization/
16:07:35 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:08:11 <manu> Present+ StevenGoforth
16:08:32 <manu> Present+ EdCollupuy
16:08:39 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
16:08:40 <Zakim> Present: Brian, Bob, StevenGoforth, EdCollupuy
16:08:48 <manu> present+ DavidEzell
16:08:53 <manu> present+ LindaToth
16:08:56 <manu> zakim, who is present
16:08:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is present', manu
16:08:58 <manu> zakim, who is present?
16:09:00 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, manu.
16:09:01 <dezell> present+ manu
16:09:06 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
16:09:06 <Zakim> Present: Brian, Bob, StevenGoforth, EdCollupuy, DavidEzell, LindaToth, manu
16:09:18 <manu> present+ AdamLake
16:09:33 <manu> present+ LauriMartin
16:09:38 <manu> Present+ BobBurke
16:09:50 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
16:09:50 <Zakim> Present: Brian, Bob, StevenGoforth, EdCollupuy, DavidEzell, LindaToth, manu, AdamLake, LauriMartin, BobBurke
16:10:00 <manu> present- Bob
16:10:05 <manu> present+ BrianRussell
16:10:07 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
16:10:07 <Zakim> Present: Brian, StevenGoforth, EdCollupuy, DavidEzell, LindaToth, manu, AdamLake, LauriMartin, BobBurke, BrianRussell
16:10:12 <manu> present- Brian
16:10:13 <manu> zakim, who is on the call?
16:10:13 <Zakim> Present: StevenGoforth, EdCollupuy, DavidEzell, LindaToth, manu, AdamLake, LauriMartin, BobBurke, BrianRussell
16:10:39 <manu> Linda: How do we interpret the results, highest average is best?
16:10:51 <manu> Linda: Everyone that voted was given 9 tokens, they could allocate 9 tokens however they wanted.
16:11:05 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:11:21 <manu> Linda: WPIG had 9 voters, WPCG had 4 voters
16:11:47 <manu> DavidE: You can see a detailed distribution, what everyone voted for, and distribution by topic.
16:12:05 <manu> DavidE: Then stats, average, median, etc. I'm making a quick list of things that scored a 1 or above.
16:14:01 <dezell> Scored '1.00' or above:
16:14:02 <dezell> Receive Offer via Digital Wallet Age Restriction From Digital Wallet Easy Digital Offer Storage and Redemption Merchant Coupon Reimbursement in Sale
16:14:24 <manu> Receive Offer via Digital Wallet
16:14:29 <manu> Age Restriction From Digital Wallet
16:14:36 <manu> Easy Digital Offer Storage and Redemption
16:14:41 <manu> Merchant Coupon Reimbursement in Sale
16:16:59 <dezell> Amber voted '2' for:
16:17:02 <dezell> Copyable
16:17:40 <dezell> From Digital Wallet
16:17:59 <manu> Linda: I think the CG is more invested in this... doesn't take into account those that voted in CG poll that voted in other one.
16:18:09 <manu> q+ to note that we will want to re-poll the CG.
16:18:58 <dezell> ack m
16:18:58 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that we will want to re-poll the CG.
16:19:11 <Bob> +bob
16:20:21 <dezell> q+
16:21:43 <ltoth> manu:  not enough input, need to make it easier for people to respond
16:22:21 <dezell> q+ bob
16:22:26 <dezell> ack bob
16:22:45 <manu> q+ to note that we never closed the poll for Verifiable Claims...
16:23:06 <brussell> q+ brian
16:23:19 <adam> if we are going to open this questionnaire up to the Conexxus digital offers group and others we need to define the categories in more detail than what we have in the current poll.
16:23:22 <dezell> q?
16:23:47 <dezell> ack manu
16:23:47 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that we never closed the poll for Verifiable Claims...
16:23:51 <ltoth> bob:  utilize Conexxus working group
16:23:54 <ltoth> ed:  agreed
16:24:34 <dezell> q?
16:24:44 <ltoth> ack de
16:25:12 <manu> dezell: Closing the poll doesn't help us
16:25:23 <manu> dezell: Linda, I'm willing to work on Google Poll
16:25:55 <manu> Linda: Ian encouraged us to create this poll and created it for us... is there a problem w/ not using it?
16:26:24 <manu> dezell: We need to do a better job - we need to support Bob and the Digital offers work at Conexxus.
16:26:44 <manu> dezell: We need to note the possibilities - vote for what's there, or add something to the list, then Bob and his group at Conexxus can help.
16:26:51 <dezell> q?
16:26:53 <manu> dezell: I wouldn't worry too much about where the poll is done.
16:27:26 <dezell> ack brian
16:28:00 <dezell> q+
16:28:09 <manu> Brian: I think the focus of the members of the members in the W3C group and Digital Offers group isn't going to be the same... maybe this group should focus in the areas they're going to focus on, and Conexxus group should focus on what they're going to focus on.
16:28:24 <manu> Brian: For example, age restriction - general Web Payments doesn't care about it that much - but C Store - primary focus point.
16:28:30 <manu> q+ to note that we can analyze the data after the fact.
16:29:21 <manu> ltoth: When we first started, we wanted to bring in retailers and interested parties in ecosystem - landed on petro-centric people - that's the base, that may skew it toward our problems, their input is valuable... maybe we can bring in other retailers (other than petro)
16:29:24 <manu> ack dezell
16:29:48 <manu> dezell: While I don't disagree that Conexxus won't end up w/ a separate effort, it may be suboptimal for it going down different paths.
16:30:12 <manu> dezell: The Web Payments group has a certain set of things that they care about - abstract things in a way that's useful - Conexxus has the same abstraction needs, but in a different direction.
16:30:50 <manu> dezell: As many of those as we can get - it would be a shame to leave these use cases behind, 'cause they're done. Bob, you can pick them up and use them, they're public domain.
16:30:57 <dezell> ack manu
16:30:57 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that we can analyze the data after the fact.
16:31:05 <Bob> +q
16:31:33 <brussell> q+
16:31:58 <manu> ack Bob
16:32:42 <manu> Bob: I think I'm aligned w/ DavidE here - all work that has been done on mobile web (outside the app) work is important - based on feedback at Conexxus, we're going to look at ways to modify transaction in store - high level use cases, how data flows, how offer comes back into store, you guys are nailing a lot of that down.
16:33:09 <manu> Bob: What's missing right now is transform interest in DOWG in Conexxus - move fast to set of use cases they're interested in - there will be a bit of overlap.
16:34:14 <manu> Brian: I'm thinking that use cases as they are too broad - if Digital Offers / Web Payments could work where they excel, and other groups can work in areas where those payments are communicated down to site - that may be where conexxus group focuses (site-specific). Use Cases as they're written combine both of those.
16:34:15 <dezell> q+ to talk about the difference between "supporting" and "fulfilling" a use case.
16:34:24 <dezell> ack br
16:34:27 <manu> q+ to note two different areas - focus on what they're best at.
16:34:42 <manu> ack dezell
16:34:42 <Zakim> dezell, you wanted to talk about the difference between "supporting" and "fulfilling" a use case.
16:35:02 <manu> dezell: I'm supportive of that - that's what we're doing. Part of this questionnaire is to add use cases that need to be there.
16:35:25 <manu> dezell: There is no locking out of ideas here, no presupposition that folks won't like it.
16:35:43 <manu> dezell: In Technology Research Group - getting realtime funding of these things is a high priority for merchants.
16:36:30 <manu> dezell: They really wanted that to happen. We should look carefully at these- we're going to have people that look at coupons. We need to make sure that... all  those groups play in petro, but walmart cares just as much about some of these use cases as others.
16:36:36 <manu> dezell: We do need to get this poll done.
16:36:43 <manu> ack manu
16:36:43 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note two different areas - focus on what they're best at.
16:38:11 <dezell> q?
16:38:33 <dezell> q+ to talk about the difference between "supporting" and "fulfilling" a use case (missed it!).
16:39:28 <manu> ack dezell
16:39:28 <Zakim> dezell, you wanted to talk about the difference between "supporting" and "fulfilling" a use case (missed it!).
16:40:06 <manu> Manu: We should make sure use cases are specific, and W3C works on web-based technologies (browser based delivery of payment, offers, receipts) and Conexxus works on site-level standards..
16:40:59 <manu> dezell: It may be that W3C figures out how items are stored in digital wallet, and delivered to a site/payment terminal, which then hits Conexxus specs. These are just examples. We don't want to lock either of these orgs out... otherwise we'll end up with separate ecosystems, and that would not be good.
16:41:34 <manu> ltoth: We need better poll data, distribute it to other people to get their input - reach out to retailers, are there other action items that we need at this point?
16:42:28 <manu> ACTION: dezell to work on getting more poll data
16:42:31 <adam> dezell: feel free to recruit me to help with the Google Poll
16:43:36 <dezell> I'm happy with chair's prerogagive.
16:44:32 <manu> Topic: Next Meeting
16:44:42 <manu> ltoth: When is the next meeting?
16:44:55 <manu> ltoth: Ian has a conflict on Mondays.
16:45:01 <manu> ltoth: Is 11am fine?
16:45:25 <manu> ltoth: Is there anyone that can't do 11am on Monday?
16:46:12 <manu> ltoth: Next meeting: May 22nd at 11am
16:47:55 <manu> Manu: We need to chat about how we're going to coordinate all of these groups....
16:48:45 <manu> Manu: Conexxus Digital Offers, W3C Verifiable Claims, W3C Digital Offers... those groups.
16:49:02 <manu> rrsagent, draft minutes
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