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12:07:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
12:07:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
12:07:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference
12:07:06 <trackbot> Date: 26 April 2017
12:07:58 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html
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12:09:03 <McCool> present+ Michael_McCool
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12:09:52 <dape> zakim, this will be wot
12:09:52 <Zakim> ok, dape
12:10:04 <mkovatsc> zakim, what is this?
12:10:04 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, mkovatsc.
12:10:07 <mkovatsc> :P
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12:11:30 <McCool> scribe: McCool
12:12:22 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf
12:12:46 <mkovatsc> present+ Michael_Koster, Barry_Leiba, Daniel_Peitner, Elena_Reshetova, Feng_Zhang, Kunihiko_Toumura, Masato_Ohura, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Takeshi_Yamada, Tokuyama, Uday, Zoltan_Kis
12:12:59 <mkovatsc> present+ Matthias_Kovatsch
12:13:29 <naka> present+ Katsuyoshi_Naka
12:13:42 <McCool> Matthias needs to catch up with T2T
12:13:52 <McCool> Michael to talk about Doodle
12:14:00 <McCool> for Security TF and OCF TF
12:14:18 <McCool> also want to talk about Osaka F2F, finalize inputs
12:15:54 <McCool> last meeting we talked briefly about IETF99
12:16:09 <McCool> talked about interop that goes across device ecosystems
12:16:38 <McCool> want to start that discussion in T2TRG, probably on Sunday
12:16:56 <McCool> some overlap with WoT; many of us agreed that it would be useful to propose
12:17:18 <McCool> T2TRG chairs sent around an invite, WoT but also OCF, OMA, IPSO
12:17:34 <McCool> but also in July will have another joint meeting
12:17:56 <McCool> do we want to have joint meeting only with WoT, or have this larger meeting instead?
12:18:22 <McCool> if more groups, better to have it in Prague, many in T2T would also prefer Prague
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12:20:09 <McCool> 6 people definitely want to join T2TRG in Prague
12:20:47 <McCool> WoT F2F definitely stays in Dusseldorf
12:22:42 <McCool> but moving the meeting to Prague would require a train, about 11h
12:24:08 <McCool> mcCool: would be valuable especially if we can get engagement with other standards bodies
12:24:35 <McCool> Matthias: to tell T2TRG that having meeting in Praque makes sense
12:26:53 <McCool> may need Friday for travel
12:27:02 <McCool> Doodles for Security TF and OCF TF
12:27:35 <McCool> Security TF Doodle: http://doodle.com/poll/uk5myzvevqshfc7d
12:27:59 <McCool> OCF Liaison TF doodle: http://doodle.com/poll/fyvt578gwkq3kbzv
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12:32:13 <mkovatsc> Security people to invite: Thosrten Dahm, Oscar Garcia-Morchon, Steven Rich
12:32:34 <McCool> McCool: also Sven Schrecker from IIC/McAfee
12:33:35 <mkovatsc> also Olaf Bergmann
12:35:00 <McCool> other alliances... KNX, Bacnet
12:35:17 <McCool> should start activity to look at concise descriptions for TD
12:35:27 <McCool> CBOR, etc. registration for tags needed
12:35:38 <McCool> do soon, so good number ranges
12:36:53 <McCool> Can JSON always be converted to CBOR?  Yes, but better to register attribute names in advance to avoid having to put strings into data
12:37:06 <McCool> so we should register tags if we want to get the most benefit
12:37:47 <McCool> breakout session in Osaka: Sebastian, want to talk about serialization of TD; CBOR is one of the candidates; there are others (XSI)
12:38:05 <McCool> for semantics, XSI is better at string encoding
12:38:18 <McCool> but... let's save the discussion for Osaka
12:38:35 <McCool> we should also start thinking about how to evaluate the alternatives
12:38:51 <McCool> not just size; we should talk about what we need from the format
12:39:14 <McCool> Matthias: we need a strategy and a plan here...
12:39:55 <sebastian> is EXI not XSI
12:40:13 <McCool> Zoltan: CBOR is used by OCF; also has good handling of binary data
12:40:36 <McCool> McCool: the use of a format by other standards should be one of our criteria
12:40:52 <McCool> especially on small devices each format needs code space, so...
12:41:49 <McCool> F2F: registration deadline is past
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12:42:12 <McCool> added access information for restaurant
12:42:26 <McCool> currently have 36 participants registered
12:42:53 <McCool> currently have made reservations for 45
12:43:11 <McCool> so we have room for some more registrants
12:43:14 <mkovatsc> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_May_2017,_Osaka,_Japan#Input
12:47:00 <McCool> Notes on F2F content: OpenFog should be 1h; OCF 1.0 to be covered; need breakout session for binding templates
12:48:42 <McCool> Question: because OCF1.0 candidate draft is now public, the need for handling confidential information as part of the OCF Liaison
12:50:10 <McCool> Time for OCF overview: 30m + 15m discussions; OpenFog, 1h, including discussion (eg 40m + 20m)_
12:51:08 <McCool> Matthias: Star Micronics?  Kaz entered, ask him
12:52:23 <McCool> Matthias: if you are a remote participant, please enter your contraints, what sessions you want to attend (will repeat on mailing lists)
12:54:24 <McCool> Matthias: want to start testing implementations against each other
12:55:55 <McCool> In Santa Clara, still only closed demos, only a few interactions could be cross-tested
12:56:35 <McCool> so for this F2F, will try to make some more progress on cross-device interactions
12:56:49 <McCool> for each type: actions, events, properties, etc
12:57:29 <McCool> advice: if you implement, use a framework that allows you to have arbitrary properties, actions, and events
12:58:02 <McCool> Matthias: to send a reminder on mailing list...
12:58:38 <McCool> TF reports
12:58:51 <McCool> Scripting: today had extra meeting
12:59:18 <McCool> to try and close some issues... closed several CRs
12:59:33 <zkis> s/Scripting/TD
12:59:49 <McCool> on Friday, hope to present final model for F2F, next "stable version" for the next few months
13:00:35 <McCool> regarding Osaka, added some breakout topics; one will be on TD serialization
13:00:58 <McCool> need also concrete discussion on JSON-Schema and semantic annotation; need a concrete example
13:01:08 <McCool> that we can use for the next plugfest
13:01:26 <McCool> cooperate with JSON Schema group
13:01:45 <McCool> need to also collaborate with Security TF
13:02:06 <McCool> will have to look again at TD lifecycle
13:03:03 <McCool> (McCool: noting no-one with security background will be able to attend in person...)
13:03:20 <McCool> Other topics: scripting API for management
13:04:27 <McCool> (prev was actually TD; NOW Scripting)
13:04:33 <McCool> Looking at web IDL specs
13:04:55 <McCool> still some open topics, but hope to finalize version in next call
13:05:39 <McCool> pull request.. 21
13:06:11 <zkis> https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/21
13:07:11 <McCool> some changes, renamings; need to document
13:08:46 <McCool> what versions to use for plugfest: Scripting, will be version on next call (do all discussion this week, Monday is freeze)
13:10:14 <McCool> decision: postpone scripting call to Tuesday, freeze then
13:10:37 <McCool> Matthias to update the current practices...
13:11:15 <McCool> McCool: when can we have a version ready for F2F?   *should* be by end of next week
13:12:07 <McCool> next meeting: draft agenda
13:12:29 <McCool> report-out on OpenIoT
13:12:38 <mkovatsc> Industry Day Event during oneM2M TP#29 (May 24th, Shenzhen)
13:12:44 <mkovatsc> OpenIoT Event (April 26th, Beijing)
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13:14:04 <mkovatsc> present+ Ada
13:15:21 <McCool> zakim, record
13:15:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'record', McCool
13:15:30 <McCool> zakim, make minutes
13:15:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', McCool
13:16:22 <McCool> save minutes
13:16:31 <McCool> zakim, save minutes
13:16:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'save minutes', McCool
13:18:44 <McCool> rssagent, create minutes
13:18:50 <mkovatsc> ScribeNick: McCool
13:19:02 <mkovatsc> Chair: Matthias_Kovatsch
13:19:13 <mkovatsc> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:19:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/26-wot-minutes.html mkovatsc
13:19:19 <mkovatsc> aha :)
13:19:32 <McCool> I think that did it ;)
13:19:35 <McCool> ok, ttyl
13:19:53 <mkovatsc> yes, looks good
13:19:57 <mkovatsc> thanks again
13:19:58 <mkovatsc> bye!
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