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16:00:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
16:00:42 <trackbot> Date: 26 April 2017
16:01:40 <janina> agenda?
16:01:44 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
16:01:44 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2017
16:01:44 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups Last Call https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups
16:01:44 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
16:01:45 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:01:46 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
16:01:49 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
16:01:51 <janina> agenda+ be done
16:02:23 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:02:55 <MichielBijl> present+
16:05:34 <Gottfried> Gottfried has joined #apa
16:05:54 <MichaelC> close action-1557
16:05:54 <trackbot> Closed action-1557.
16:05:56 <ShaneM> danka
16:08:07 <MichielBijl> :role(button) { … }
16:08:13 <MichielBijl> http://bkardell.com/blog/Reflecting-On-Roles.html
16:08:16 <MichielBijl> https://moiety.me/thinks/cascading-semantic-stylehooks.html
16:08:38 <JF> JF has joined #apa
16:09:32 <Gottfried> Michiel: CSS pseudo classes for individual roles
16:09:34 <janina>  present+
16:09:37 <Gottfried> present+
16:09:41 <Gottfried> scribe: Gottfried
16:09:42 <JF> Present+ JF
16:09:47 <MichaelC> present+
16:10:02 <Gottfried> zakim, take up item 1
16:10:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:10:05 <janina> zakim, next item
16:10:05 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, janina
16:10:32 <Gottfried> Post by Brian Kardell: http://bkardell.com/blog/Reflecting-On-Roles.html
16:10:50 <Gottfried> Response by Michiel: https://moiety.me/thinks/cascading-semantic-stylehooks.html
16:11:05 <MichielBijl> button,
16:11:05 <MichielBijl> input[type=button]
16:11:13 <MichielBijl> :role(button) {…}
16:11:16 <Gottfried> Michiel: Easier to make selection rules for all buttons.
16:11:22 <Gottfried> ... or other elements based on role.
16:11:32 <MichielBijl> http://bkardell.com/role-reflect.js
16:11:35 <JF> Q+
16:12:07 <Gottfried> ... This script is a polyfill that looks through all DOM elements.
16:12:35 <Gottfried> ... The script does not break anything.
16:13:03 <Gottfried> ... Originally, classes were supposed to support selection by role.
16:13:09 <Gottfried> s/classes/CSS classes
16:13:37 <Gottfried> John: Mix of semantics and style. There has been push-back from CSS people in the past.
16:14:00 <Gottfried> ... Would like to apply semantics to CSS-style selectors.  Today, they are only used for styling.
16:14:26 <Gottfried> Michiel: We are not applying semantics, we are using semantics to select elements.
16:14:38 <Gottfried> John: You could apply an attribute selector instead.
16:14:49 <Gottfried> Michiel: That's what Brian's script does.
16:14:50 <MichielBijl> [role=button] {…}
16:15:12 <Gottfried> John: Use aria-* attribute as selector.
16:15:32 <Gottfried> Michiel: Pseudo-class would make it easier.
16:16:50 <Gottfried> Michiel: Selecting the first character after a heading complex right now - much easier with pseudo-role selector.
16:17:53 <Gottfried> ... Plugin could be written with PostCSS. Use matching selector of PostCSS.
16:18:14 <MichielBijl> https://codepen.io/jonneal/pen/gWLKbY?editors=1100
16:18:17 <Gottfried> ... Jonathan wrote something that does exactly that.
16:18:25 <Gottfried> ... It is a proof of concept.
16:18:36 <Gottfried> Janina: Comments are welcome.
16:18:54 <Gottfried> ... Should be most useful for well-structured documents, e.g. EPUB.
16:19:15 <JF> Q?
16:19:29 <Gottfried> Michiel: Think it is interesting. Sad that it was brought up before and did not materialize.
16:19:59 <Gottfried> ... Looking for comments.  Is it worth to take this further?
16:20:07 <Gottfried> ... and take it to the WAI?
16:20:19 <Gottfried> John: Would that be something for the Web a11y tf?
16:20:24 <Gottfried> Janina: Yes, i suppose.
16:20:50 <JF> s/Web a11y tf/ a11y-DSS Joint TF
16:20:57 <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl
16:21:09 <JF> s/a11y-DSS/a11y-CSS
16:21:12 <MichielBijl> Gottfried: colleague is working on a media query
16:21:20 <MichielBijl> Just the beginning
16:21:24 <MichielBijl> We had a discussion with CSS WG
16:21:34 <MichielBijl> Had thought about extending media queries in this regard
16:21:42 <MichielBijl> Student will work on this and work on a poly fill
16:22:09 <MichielBijl> Like, if you want high contrast or something, that could be detected with a media query
16:22:46 <MichielBijl> JS: Think this came up in Saporo
16:23:00 <MichielBijl> CSS WG seems to be open to this sorta thing
16:23:04 <Gottfried> Janina: We have an explicit allowance from the CSS wg to experiment with this.
16:23:09 <MichielBijl> Gottfried: will keep you updated
16:23:09 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:23:09 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Gottfried
16:23:14 <janina> q?
16:23:25 <janina> ack j
16:23:28 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:23:28 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC 2017" taken up [from janina]
16:23:44 <Gottfried> Janina: We have a page stub now.
16:23:52 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017 APA TPAC meeting page
16:24:04 <Gottfried> ... We should add this as a regular item to the upcoming agendas.
16:24:16 <Gottfried> ... Everybody: Book your room soon.  We expect many attendants.
16:24:30 <Gottfried> Michael: Procedure for discount rate not documented yet.
16:24:48 <Gottfried> Michiel: Can we still change the location country?
16:25:04 <Gottfried> Michael: Costs for changing are prohibitive.
16:25:23 <Gottfried> Janina: Should be running smooth.
16:25:44 <Gottfried> Michael: Laptops will be banned on the flight?
16:25:51 <Gottfried> s/Michael/Michiel
16:25:58 <Gottfried> Michael: Remote participation will be possible.
16:26:07 <Gottfried> ... 2018 will be a different country.
16:26:46 <Gottfried> Gottfried: Laptop ban will be some selected (Arabic) countries only.
16:26:58 <Gottfried> Janina: Only for carry-on.
16:27:12 <Gottfried> ... There will be more data provided to us.
16:27:31 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/2017/11/TPAC/ TPAC 2017
16:27:54 <Gottfried> Janina: Book early - you can always cancel later.
16:28:06 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:28:06 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Community Groups Last Call https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Community_Groups" taken up [from janina]
16:28:26 <Gottfried> Janina: Keep trying to delete this...
16:28:33 <Gottfried> zakim, close this item
16:28:33 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:28:34 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:28:34 <Zakim> 4. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]
16:28:36 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:28:36 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:29:43 <Gottfried> action-2120?
16:29:43 <trackbot> action-2120 -- John Foliot to Review web publications use cases and requirements https://www.w3.org/tr/pwp-ucr/ -- due 2017-03-29 -- OPEN
16:29:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2120
16:30:13 <Gottfried> John: I am about 80% done with this.  Will get it done today.
16:30:22 <Gottfried> action-2116?
16:30:22 <trackbot> action-2116 -- John Foliot to Review ttml profiles for internet media subtitles and captions 1.0.1 (imsc1) https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml-imsc1.0.1/ -- due 2017-03-29 -- OPEN
16:30:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2116
16:30:34 <Gottfried> John: I may have missed this one.
16:31:13 <Gottfried> Michael: Plan to go to CR ending on May 7 - could go to CR soon.
16:31:19 <Gottfried> John: Will get it done today.
16:32:01 <Gottfried> Janina: Leonie finished her action item. Maybe we keep it open since we may want to take action on it, in the form of a note/appendix.
16:32:16 <Gottfried> action-2121?
16:32:16 <trackbot> action-2121 -- Léonie Watson to Review css basic user interface module level 3 (css3 ui) https://www.w3.org/tr/css-ui-3/ -- due 2017-04-12 -- OPEN
16:32:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2121
16:32:31 <Gottfried> Michael: I got the message
16:32:37 <MichaelC> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2017Apr/0024.html Léonie review of CSS basic UI module
16:32:42 <MichielBijl> Addition for previous topic: seems MichaelC already brought the role pseudo-class up on GitHub: https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues/2
16:33:01 <Gottfried> Janina: Same question - best practice guidance. Need to work out an agreement with CSS.
16:33:38 <Gottfried> Michael: Don't think this turns into a comment from us.
16:33:42 <Gottfried> ... What should we do?
16:34:20 <Gottfried> Janina: Close this.
16:34:50 <Gottfried> Janina: Input events - Michiel?
16:34:56 <Gottfried> Michiel: Nope
16:35:11 <Gottfried> Janina: We should wait for Leonie on this.
16:35:35 <Gottfried> Michiel: This may of interest for Patrick Clark.  Should i ask him to review it?
16:35:41 <Gottfried> Janina: Coordinate with Leonie.
16:35:49 <MichaelC> close action-2121
16:35:49 <trackbot> Closed action-2121.
16:36:08 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:36:08 <Zakim> agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:37:03 <Gottfried> Michael: List of open review requests with 2 specs
16:37:41 <MichaelC> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2016OctDec/0116.html
16:37:52 <Gottfried> ... Request on WebSub
16:38:25 <Gottfried> ... They went to CR without hearing from us - remove this.
16:38:37 <Gottfried> zakim, next item
16:38:37 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
16:38:54 <Gottfried> TOPIC: Task force status
16:39:13 <Gottfried> Janina: Captcha update guidance by RQTF - expected in May.
16:39:49 <Gottfried> ... John is working on it.
16:40:22 <Gottfried> ... 3 COGA docs are approved.
16:40:41 <JF> s/John is working on it./John will review the CAPTCHA Note when ready.
16:40:48 <Gottfried> ... Will be a big publication.  Hopefully the comments will be helpful to us.
16:41:16 <Gottfried> ... 3 docs: Gap analysis, supporting research, ARIA module for personalization.
16:41:31 <Gottfried> ... Michael plans to publish them next week.
16:41:46 <Gottfried> John: Discussion yesterday on AG wg call - about publishing everything.
16:42:04 <Gottfried> ... COGA, low-vision and mobile tf.
16:42:22 <Gottfried> ... Those are not APA-managed tfs.  COGA is a tf of 2 wgs jointly.
16:43:03 <Gottfried> John: Good to publish everything we have - even if it is only research.
16:43:32 <Gottfried> Janina: AG wg may publish the docs for mobile and low-vision.  This is not our business.
16:44:21 <Gottfried> Janina: Personalization continues an interest in APA. Special APA meeting envisioned to talk about directions for personalization.
16:44:52 <Gottfried> ... I propose to have that call 2 weeks from today, i.e. on May 10.
16:45:15 <Gottfried> ... Topics: Media queries, ARIA module, etc.
16:46:04 <Gottfried> (no objections)
16:46:26 <Gottfried> Janina: Will get this going (invitations)
16:47:10 <Gottfried> Janina: CSS tf - still issues about block and discussing.
16:47:30 <Gottfried> Michael: Ted wanted to know the work load.
16:47:39 <MichaelC> -> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues CSS TF issues
16:47:48 <MichaelC> -> https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/projects CSS TF project
16:47:55 <Gottfried> ... These are categorized into projects.
16:48:08 <Gottfried> ... CSS containment modules are urgent - may go to CR at any point.
16:48:30 <Gottfried> ... Ian was supposed to review. But wait until May.
16:49:17 <Gottfried> ... Activity on other issues going. Other people have commented on a couple of issues.
16:49:31 <Gottfried> ... It is something, but probably not enough.
16:49:44 <Gottfried> Janina: Web payments tf
16:50:33 <Gottfried> ... Plan: Establish community group - still one vote short
16:50:51 <Gottfried> ... We will look at the output in APA.
16:51:12 <Gottfried> ... Please vote if you have a W3C member vote.
16:51:16 <janina> ~https://www.w3.org/community/blog/2017/03/31/proposed-group-web-payments-and-commerce-accessibility-community-group/
16:51:41 <MichielBijl> Gottfried: lisa asked
16:51:50 <MichielBijl> For us to give feedback on a special proposal
16:51:54 <MichielBijl> On WCAG techniques
16:51:57 <MichielBijl> Addressing COGA
16:52:08 <MichielBijl> I can’t find these techniques tho
16:52:15 <MichielBijl> Micahel, Janina, can you help me?
16:52:22 <MichielBijl> s/Micahel/Michael/
16:52:28 <MichielBijl> MC: We don’t have a formal place yet
16:52:39 <Gottfried> techniques for WCAG 1.3.1 and  WCAG 4.2.1
16:52:39 <MichielBijl> Some of the TFs have proposed techniques in their own repos
16:53:19 <Gottfried> Title for 1.3.1: Info and structure
16:53:39 <Gottfried> Title for 4.2.1 (proposed) not known
16:54:06 <MichielBijl> Lisa wrote to Janina and me
16:54:27 <Gottfried> Email subject: ETSI and URC support as  techniques for WCAG 1.3.1 and  WCAG 4.2.1
16:54:28 <MichielBijl> And Michael, probably because he’s involved in ?? group
16:54:34 <MichielBijl> Janina: he’s also int he COGA group
16:55:00 <MichielBijl> What exactly is she looking for from APA?
16:55:16 <MichielBijl> Gottfried: we’re wondering if this can be done via…
16:55:28 <MichielBijl> They want to use vocabulary to enable accessibility support
16:55:39 <MichielBijl> She wants a discussion on this
16:55:54 <MichielBijl> MC: I’m not able to get orientated without more information
16:56:25 <MichielBijl> JF: Perhaps 4.2.1 is a new proposal
16:56:43 <MichielBijl> MC: Right now I don’t have a paper trail that leads me to more info about 4.2.1
16:57:15 <MichielBijl> JS: Let’s see what Janina responds
16:57:21 <Gottfried> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2017Apr/0037.html
16:57:41 <MichielBijl> JS: Thanks all!
16:57:56 <MichielBijl> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:57:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/26-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl
16:58:41 <Gottfried> zakim, bye
16:58:41 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, MichielBijl, janina, Gottfried, JF, MichaelC
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