06:42:19 RRSAgent has joined #blockchain 06:42:19 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/04/24-blockchain-irc 06:42:34 Meeting : BlockchainCG F2F meeting at Paris 06:42:50 Chair: Marta 06:43:04 present+ mountie 06:43:11 present+ marta 06:43:56 present+ adrian 06:44:19 present+ adli 06:44:44 present+ favier 06:48:55 present+ jean 06:51:43 present+ floreng 06:52:41 zakim, who is here? 06:52:41 Present: mountie, marta, adrian, adli, favier, jean, floreng 06:52:43 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, mountie, red40_, ahaller2, red40, rhiaro, nicolagreco, kat, bovesan, manu, fluffypony, adam, robmyers, hadleybeeman 06:55:41 present+ nicolas 07:02:53 present+ colin 07:03:57 present+ robic 07:09:35 Yes. I'm here. 07:14:00 present+ adrianS 07:14:07 present+ antoine 07:14:44 zakim, who is here? 07:14:44 Present: mountie, marta, adrian, adli, favier, jean, floreng, nicolas, colin, robic, adrianS, antoine 07:14:47 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, mountie, red40_, red40, rhiaro, nicolagreco, kat, bovesan, manu, fluffypony, adam, robmyers, hadleybeeman 07:14:57 present+ red40_ 07:20:02 present+ fabrice 07:22:30 mountie_ has joined #blockchain 07:23:07 present+ allen 07:27:19 zakim, who is here? 07:27:19 Present: mountie, marta, adrian, adli, favier, jean, floreng, nicolas, colin, robic, adrianS, antoine, red40_, fabrice, allen 07:27:21 On IRC I see mountie_, RRSAgent, Zakim, red40_, red40, rhiaro, nicolagreco, kat, bovesan, manu, fluffypony, adam, robmyers, hadleybeeman 07:28:13 scribe: mountie 07:28:57 marta: now we start F2F meeting. working building document 07:29:54 marta: competition is good. but good standard will increase echo or unified system. 07:30:10 ChristopherA has joined #blockchain 07:30:27 marta: started at Lisbon, during the TPAC, decided to make usecase document 07:31:28 marta: collected usecases. created document. hope to finalize the document today. 07:31:46 scribe: mountie_ 07:32:31 marta: thanks to Jean hosting this meeting. 07:33:37 jean: talking about today's schedule. 07:34:39 favier: french association for blockchain, Le Cercle Du Coin 07:35:01 favier: launched association in Dec 2015 07:37:00 Jean-Yves has joined #blockchain 07:37:13 Florent has joined #blockchain 07:37:37 webex link : https://meetings.webex.com/collabs/#/meetings/detail?uuid=MD6NHOIUEEBQ6JAFG0B7PBCUYZ-101R9&rnd=463103.03375 07:37:54 marta: introduce each other. 07:38:24 marta: security architect at blockstream. working on HyperLedger also. 07:38:37 Adrian_Sauzade has joined #blockchain 07:38:43 allen: principle architect in blockstream 07:38:54 jean: canton-consulting 07:39:08 adrianS: Czam 07:39:35 marta has joined #blockchain 07:40:30 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BNKQ-hNFIpROyzQRig7a7kTBcmclAQlbv3MCCZfhHiE/edit?usp=sharing 07:41:22 members are introducing himself 07:42:18 Sylvain has joined #blockchain 07:43:54 marta: now the topic is Use Cases 07:47:09 nba has joined #blockchain 07:47:22 allen: can we talk about high-level of use case document? 07:47:41 I missed the link to it, just joined (Nicolas) 07:48:00 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BNKQ-hNFIpROyzQRig7a7kTBcmclAQlbv3MCCZfhHiE/edit?usp=sharing 07:48:06 thanks 07:50:12 agropper has joined #blockchain 07:52:12 allen: considering other case append-only database. what is different? 07:54:07 nicolas: talking public/private blockchain 07:54:38 adrian: suggest sharing interests 07:54:48 q+ 08:02:08 Jean-Yves has joined #blockchain 08:15:26 https://www.w3.org/2016/04/blockchain-workshop/report.html 08:15:43 nba has joined #blockchain 08:16:06 Jean-Yves has joined #blockchain 08:16:14 q- 08:20:36 From that report, in particular the "commitments" graphic. 08:23:32 two sources for others who have worked on use case: https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/requirements/use-case-inventory 08:23:58 https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/84-known-blockchain-use-cases-mark-morris 08:41:48 ChristopherA has joined #blockchain 08:47:53 Jean-Yves_ has joined #blockchain 09:32:28 Jean-Yves has joined #blockchain 09:32:29 Adrian_SAuzade has joined #blockchain 09:32:48 Here te list i was refering : https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/84-known-blockchain-use-cases-mark-morris 09:46:21 mountie has joined #blockchain 09:46:32 zakim, who is here? 09:46:32 Present: mountie, marta, adrian, adli, favier, jean, floreng, nicolas, colin, robic, adrianS, antoine, red40_, fabrice, allen 09:46:35 On IRC I see mountie, Jean-Yves, agropper, RRSAgent, Zakim, red40_, red40, rhiaro, nicolagreco, kat, bovesan, manu, fluffypony, adam, robmyers, hadleybeeman 09:46:59 rrsagent, make minutes 09:46:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/24-blockchain-minutes.html mountie 09:47:47 Adrian_Sauzade has joined #blockchain 09:47:55 rrsagent, make logs public 09:50:03 mountie: we are talking about the blockchain that is implemented, proved, verified at cryptocurrencies 09:50:13 scribe: mountie 09:50:25 allen: approach from top to down 09:50:34 jean: don't use too much time for definition. touch usecase first, comeback to definition. 09:50:42 moving to Introduction part of usecase 09:50:50 nicolas: any scopes limited? 09:50:58 marta: it depend on CG's decision 09:51:07 https://www.w3.org/2016/04/blockchain-workshop/report.html 09:51:14 allen: summarize commitments of workshop : https://www.w3.org/2016/04/blockchain-workshop/report.html#commitments 09:51:21 usecases of hyperledger is different 09:51:31 marta: summarize levels of use cases: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-blockchain/2017Mar/att-0012/Blockchain_Use_Case_Development_W3c.pdf 09:51:38 usecase Level1 : user needs based on key blockchain characteristics 09:51:45 level2: common features - architecture backbone for sectors and domains 09:51:52 level2: identity management, audit trail, time stamp, linking 09:52:00 jean: confused level1 and level2 09:52:05 level3 is for vertical sectors 09:52:19 trying to add consensus, autonomus vs real world assisted, transaction proofs, micro service architecture with decentralized ledger to Level 2 as common feature 09:52:26 vertial sectors as level3 : telecom, financial, government, manufacturing, retail, utilities, healthcard, hospotality, other 09:52:33 adding more to level3: investment banking(stock issue), Trade Finance, Consumer Banking 09:52:42 adding "investment banking(stock issue), Trade Finance, Consumer Banking" to level4 (not level3) 09:52:48 level4 is sub domains of vertical sectors 09:52:54 level4: Financial(Investment banking (stock issue), Trade Finance, Consumer Banking (P2P payment), Insurance) 09:53:01 level4: Government (public records, non public records, compliance) 09:53:07 level4: Supply Chain under Manufacturing sector 09:53:14 at level4: Energy, telecom, Water & Waste, Emission Reduction under Utilities sector 09:53:22 at level4: Insurance payment, manufactured products, professional services under Healthcare sector 09:53:32 at level4: Tracking, Coupons & Discounts under Marketing sector 09:53:39 jean: is compliance subdomain of Government? 09:53:46 at level4: Compliance, Certification under Legal sector 09:53:54 marta: moving to Level5 09:54:00 allen: I have over 85 use cases for level5 09:55:13 marta: agenda: 1. usecase, 2. prioritization of usecase, 3. terminology and definitions, 4. collaboration with ISO, 5. plan for the next 6 months 09:55:49 adli: what blockchain should be? 09:58:58 allen: wallet, data formats, protocols... 09:59:52 marta: after creating use case document, try to set priority from the cases 10:01:11 marta: we have chance to collaborate with ISO 10:03:04 ChristopherA has joined #blockchain 10:03:05 marta has joined #blockchain 10:03:07 Florent has joined #blockchain 10:03:14 https://wiki.hyperledger.org/groups/requirements/use-case-inventory 10:03:36 nba has joined #blockchain 10:06:00 mountie: is the usecase for hyperledger specific? 10:06:06 allen: not true 10:07:38 marta: narrow to internet applicable 10:07:39 https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/84-known-blockchain-use-cases-mark-morris 10:07:57 https://bravenewcoin.com/news/moodys-new-report-identifies-25-top-blockchain-use-cases-from-a-list-of-120/ 10:11:10 talking selected potential blockchain usecases from moodys 10:12:00 adrian: the usecases of moodys are for corporate. 10:13:41 allen : need more peer-to-peer or user centric usercases 10:23:23 mountie: user agent can be the center of transactions or block transfers of nodes. 10:28:49 collecting more P2P usecases 10:34:38 mountie: solving same-origin policy restriction of Web with blockchain 10:40:27 talking more for P2P usecases 10:46:55 Florent has joined #blockchain 10:50:49 rrsagent, make minutes 10:50:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/24-blockchain-minutes.html mountie 10:50:59 rrsagent, make logs public 11:39:14 red40_ has joined #blockchain 11:51:55 Zakim has left #blockchain 12:39:41 red40_ has joined #blockchain 13:02:22 mountie has joined #blockchain 13:02:51 Zakim has joined #blockchain 13:04:03 scribe: mountie 13:18:14 mountie: by the today morning's discussion, we need to focus more on user centric, p2p use cases. i think 13:19:33 Adrian_Sauzade has joined #blockchain 13:20:16 Jean-Yves has joined #blockchain 13:24:29 nba has joined #blockchain 13:28:29 allen: suggesting Self-Sovereign Blockchain Principles 13:29:27 allen: the principles will help to user centric use cases 13:31:48 allen: peer means server and user 13:46:45 working on use case document focusing on user centric cases 14:06:35 continue work on use case ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BNKQ-hNFIpROyzQRig7a7kTBcmclAQlbv3MCCZfhHiE/edit# ) 14:08:01 user centric use cases under discussion are 14:08:25 ….hold people accountable & present accountability 14:08:37 …discover information that enables me to communicate while preserving privacy 14:08:55 …choose the level at which I reveal my identity 14:09:05 … be a subject in the loop of the transaction 14:09:19 …have independence from the other parties 14:09:29 … preserve my resilience 14:09:42 … create cooperative organizations 14:09:53 … have censorship resistance 14:10:19 … choose the level of participation ->permissioned/private/public blockchain 14:10:30 …have low economic barrier 14:10:40 …be able to exchange any kind of asset 14:10:43 … choose appropriate context/reputation 14:11:10 ...be able to cross the organizational and jurisdictional domain origins with preservation of the privacy and access to data rules set by me (the user) 15:07:05 Zakim has left #blockchain 15:08:52 Zakim has joined #blockchain 15:14:40 marta: now we have direction 15:16:21 marta: we have no concall at this week. 15:18:24 rrsagent, make minutes 15:18:24 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/24-blockchain-minutes.html mountie 15:18:39 rrsagent, make logs public 15:29:11 red40_ has joined #blockchain 17:15:27 Zakim has left #blockchain 19:07:03 red40_ has joined #blockchain 22:44:41 red40_ has joined #blockchain