IRC log of wot-td on 2017-04-21

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Danh_Le_Phuoc, Daniel_Peintner, Darko_Anicic, Maria_Poveda, Uday_Davuluru, Victor_Charpenay, Yingying_Chen
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present+ DarkoAnicic
06:37:37 [DanhLePhuoc]
present+ DanhLePhuoc
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scribe: Uday
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scribenick: uday
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sebastian: gives brief overview of previous discussions
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present+
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present+ Michael_McCool
06:41:31 [dape]
https://github.com/json-schema-org/json-schema-spec/issues/309
06:41:35 [uday]
JSON schema status:
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Daniel-to follow up
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Namespace:
06:45:06 [DarkoAnicic]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/3
06:45:19 [uday]
overview of new and where the old namespaces can be used
06:46:00 [dape]
q+
06:46:32 [uday]
Darko- which main namespace are we going to use?
06:46:41 [DarkoAnicic]
td: http://www.w3.org/ns/td#
06:48:17 [uday]
Daniel- usually W3C namespaces start with year and month, is there a best practice for the same
06:48:19 [victor]
q+
06:48:37 [MariaPoveda]
https://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-prov-o-20130430/
06:48:56 [MariaPoveda]
http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#
06:49:52 [uday]
Maria- using NS with date might not be good
06:50:50 [DanhLePhuoc]
+q
06:51:06 [DanhLePhuoc]
SSN ontology does not have year : http://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/
06:52:05 [uday]
Kaz- describes W3C way of using namespace
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regrets: Achille_Zappa
06:54:00 [uday]
sebastian-discussion needed with a list of vocabulary and which comes from where
06:54:15 [kaz]
[ we need to get approval for name spaces like http://www.w3.org/DIRECTLY_UNDER_THE_MAIN_HOST ]
06:54:42 [kaz]
[ while we can create any name spaces like http://www.w3.org/2017/04/WOT ]
06:54:43 [DanhLePhuoc]
-q
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ack dape
06:56:12 [kaz]
[ guideline here: https://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri ]
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06:56:47 [MariaPoveda]
we can represent the reused ns as in this example http://iot.linkeddata.es/def/core/index-en.html#description
06:57:41 [kaz]
q?
06:57:48 [kaz]
rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
06:58:28 [MariaPoveda]
http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/vocabs?tag=W3C%20Rec
06:59:00 [DanhLePhuoc]
q+
06:59:14 [kaz]
q+
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q?
07:01:00 [kaz]
kaz: I put the URL of the namespace guideline above
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ack k
07:02:11 [victor]
sure: I hust wanted to say.
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that Dave defined this namespace with Phil Archer
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Danh- just done with SSN ontology, describes the same
07:03:01 [zkis]
present+ Zoltan_Kis
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s/Danh-/Danh:/
07:03:13 [victor]
or "under the guidance" of Phil Archer, so I assume it is valid.
07:03:32 [victor]
I mean https://www.w3.org/ns/td
07:05:01 [kaz]
[ we can use https://www.w3.org/ns/td as well if we want (as described in the guideline: https://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-nsuri ]
07:07:06 [uday]
TD model:
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s/TD model:/topic: TD model/
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Chair: Sebastian
07:08:01 [kaz]
Meeting: WoT WG - TD-TF
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s/Namespace:/topic: TD Namespace/
07:08:43 [uday]
Sebastian- are these any proposals for F2F breakouts
07:08:49 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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s/Sebastian-/Sebastian:/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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s/Darko-/Darko:/
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s/Daniel-/Daniel:/
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s/Maria-/Maria:/
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s/Kaz-/Kaz:/
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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s/JSON schema status:/topic: JSON Schema status/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
07:12:47 [McCool]
q+
07:13:17 [DanhLePhuoc]
ack DanhLePhuoc
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TD model discussed
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ack v
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07:13:40 [yingying]
TD Model -> http://iot.linkeddata.es/def/wot/index-en.html#description
07:14:56 [uday]
McCool- briefs security plans
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s/McCool-/McCool:/
07:16:47 [McCool]
q+
07:18:02 [uday]
McCool- complicated to have different security for different resources
07:18:11 [uday]
can go for modular approach
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s/McCool-/McCool:/
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ack m
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
07:21:31 [uday]
seba- why not use same vocabulary as we use in JSON-LD instance
07:21:50 [kaz]
s/seba-/Sebastian:/
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q+
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Maria- we cannot use same vocab for all
07:24:24 [kaz]
s/Maria-/Maria:/
07:25:05 [DanhLePhuoc]
q+
07:25:21 [DarkoAnicic]
q+
07:27:20 [uday]
Kaz- position of WoT ontology doc under TD repo
07:30:15 [victor]
can't you just chage the template color (like yellow, as in the Vincinity logo?)
07:30:25 [victor]
to avoid any confusion
07:31:07 [kaz]
s/Kaz-/Kaz:/
07:31:40 [victor]
s/Vincinity/Vicinity/
07:32:12 [MariaPoveda]
I'll have a look at the css
07:32:50 [kaz]
s/position of WoT ontology doc under TD repo/kind of concerned about the positioning of this document. we should clarify this document itself is a proposal under the Vicinity project and not W3C work at the moment. we need to extract part of the content and create another document for WoT TD document./
07:33:32 [uday]
Dahn- reminds process for W3C publication
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s/Dahn/Danh:/
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s/Danh:-/Danh:/
07:36:02 [uday]
Kaz:/ we can make a candidate recommendation later
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s|Kaz:/|Kaz:|
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q?
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ack k
07:37:10 [DanhLePhuoc]
ack DarkoAnicic
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ack DanhLePhuoc
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
07:37:22 [kaz]
ack danh
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ack darko
07:38:37 [uday]
Darko:/ we have stable vocab on TD, do we create JSON-LD context or do we stcik to one format for WoT ontology and JSON-LD representation??
07:39:47 [kaz]
s/we can make a candidate recommendation later/at some point (when the TD spec draft gets good enough), we can get consensus for publication as a FPWD within this TF first and then within the whole WG next, and then publish it as a FPWD. and we can publish it as a CR, PR and REC after that (when the spec draft becomes good enough for those stages)/
07:40:01 [kaz]
s|Darko:/|Darko:|
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
07:40:31 [uday]
Maria:/ better to keep them as close as possible but not necessary to be same
07:41:14 [victor]
Maria, the program you run to generate the doc is Widoco, isn't it? There is an option for custom styles (-useCustomStyle), in case it helps.
07:41:19 [kaz]
s|Maria:/|Maria:|
07:41:46 [uday]
Seba:/ take this as a separate web meeting agenda
07:41:53 [DarkoAnicic]
+1
07:42:02 [kaz]
s|Seba:/|Sebastian:|
07:42:07 [MariaPoveda]
+1
07:42:12 [kaz]
+1
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
07:42:26 [DanhLePhuoc]
+1
07:43:36 [DarkoAnicic]
Maria: could you please provide us with an example where the difference between the OWL model and JSON-LD vocabulary would differ (before the next meeting on the topic)?
07:45:08 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/21-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
07:45:08 [MariaPoveda]
ok
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[ adjourned ]
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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