18:42:34 RRSAgent has joined #aapi 18:42:34 logging to http://www.w3.org/2017/04/18-aapi-irc 18:42:36 RRSAgent, make logs world 18:42:36 Zakim has joined #aapi 18:42:38 Zakim, this will be 18:42:38 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 18:42:39 Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference 18:42:39 Date: 18 April 2017 18:43:22 clown has changed the topic to: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m111076a5138536589c06d9b5c35ffb51 Meeting Number: 641 707 405 Next Meeting 25-Apr-2017, 19:00 UTC (12:27:25 PM) 18:43:40 agenda: this 18:43:52 agenda+ (Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing (weekly checkin) 18:44:01 agenda+ (All) Level of detail in UIA mappings. 18:44:09 agenda+ (All) Various pull requests for fixes to Core-AAM 18:44:17 agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26 18:44:24 agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA 18:44:30 agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA 18:44:43 agenda+ be done. 18:44:49 chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:04:55 bgaraventa1979 has joined #aapi 19:05:04 present+ Joanmarie_Diggs 19:05:08 scribe: joanie 19:05:14 Zakim, next item 19:05:14 agendum 1. "(Joanie) AX API mapping issues and testing (weekly checkin)" taken up [from clown] 19:05:20 present+ Bryan_Garaventa 19:06:52 present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer 19:07:45 Rich has joined #aapi 19:07:53 JD: I am still working on mapping issues and testable statements, mainly fixing testable statements, finding issues (such as the roledescription of "status" being "application status" -- and not "status", as is in the Core AAM -- in Safari as far back as at least 2012. 19:08:48 JD: I am filing issues in github against Core AAM and providing patches when time permits. Joseph has been reviewing these and providing feedback and/or committing them as appropriate. 19:09:19 JD: Because of this work, along with the ATTA development, I've not yet gotten to the implementation work. 19:13:58 (Group digs a bit more into the status roledescription issue) 19:14:44 JS: Looking at the test case (URL pasted above), Mona Heath passed the test with the following note: "AXRoleDescription is 'application status'" 19:14:50 JS: That is not a pass. 19:19:22 JS: It looks to me like it always should have been "application status" 19:20:33 JD: I will do a pull request after this meeting to fix status. 19:21:54 JS: Or you can just let me do it. 19:22:00 Action: Joseph to correct the AXRoleDescription for role="status" to be "application status", not "status". 19:22:01 Created ACTION-2137 - Correct the axroledescription for role="status" to be "application status", not "status". [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2017-04-25]. 19:22:02 JD: Sure! 19:22:14 action-2137? 19:22:14 action-2137 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Correct the axroledescription for role="status" to be "application status", not "status". -- due 2017-04-25 -- OPEN 19:22:14 http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2137 19:22:15 JS: I guess this is not merely editorial. 19:22:42 JD: It is not. In fact, if memory serves me, Google Chrome Canary has what's in the Core AAM. I'll email Dominic with an explanation. 19:22:58 JS: I've given myself an action. 19:23:35 JS: So this is an ARIA 1.1 change, even though it was true/in place/implemented in 1.0. 19:23:43 Topic: Joseph's Departure 19:24:21 JS: Next week is the last time I will be running these meetings. 19:24:42 Group: This sucks. 19:25:04 JS: It looks like Joanie is probably going to become editor of the Core AAM. 19:25:24 JS: And Rich will probably chair these meetings. 19:25:42 RS: (Groans) 19:25:58 Group: Laments lack of time employers permit us all to spend on this work. 19:26:11 Zakim, next item 19:26:11 agendum 2. "(All) Level of detail in UIA mappings." taken up [from clown] 19:26:28 https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/552 19:36:26 JS: Bogdan has given me a pull request. 19:36:41 JS: I've already reviewed it once, providing grammar and spelling suggestions. 19:36:46 https://rawgit.com/boggydigital/aria/patch-3/core-aam/core-aam.html#uia-ui-automation 19:36:48 JS: He's already done those changes. 19:37:02 JS: I just put a URL in for his new text. 19:37:09 JS: Personally I think it's very good. 19:37:24 JS: If we accept this, he will then go on and tweak the tables, etc. 19:37:36 JS: He wants confirmation that we like what he's done so far. 19:38:02 RS: I think this is fine. 19:38:17 JS: The last paragraph begins with "Note:" 19:38:26 RS: You want the styling for notes added? 19:38:35 JS: Actually I want the "Note:" removed. 19:45:49 JD: Point of clarification, is this text stating that the getters will all work and are independent of, say, interfaces/patterns? 19:45:56 JS: That is my understanding. 19:46:01 JD: Then I'm good. 19:46:09 Zakim, next item 19:46:09 agendum 3. "(All) Various pull requests for fixes to Core-AAM" taken up [from clown] 19:46:24 JS: There were a number of pull requests last week, mostly from Joanie. 19:46:30 JS: I've dealt with most of them. 19:46:46 JS: Joanie has closed most of them since I've merged the changes. 19:47:07 JS: There was also an editorial change, to add "Implement" in front of a number of mappings. 19:47:15 JS: I just pushed that before the meeting. 19:50:01 JS: Another change that Joanie provided a fix for was to change the subrole of group role in AXAPI. 19:50:08 JS: We'll need a test for that. 19:50:33 JD: I thought we might get that "for free" from another test where the role is AXGroup. 19:50:38 JD: But that's not the case. 19:50:54 JD: We can add a new test case to the Core AAM section on testable statements. 19:51:09 JS: Lastly, Joanie opened a new issue regarding aria-orientation. 19:51:13 JS: And I had a question about that. 19:51:16 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/560 19:51:23 JS: The URL above is for the issue Joanie opened. 19:51:47 JS: To summarize, between ARIA 1.0 and 1.1, the default value of aria-orientation changed from horizontal to undefined. 19:52:32 https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-orientation 19:53:38 JD: At the above link, there's a list of all the changes (though I believe scrollbar was vertical in 1.0, but ignoring that....) 19:54:21 JS: Do we need to add all these to the Core AAM? 19:58:36 Group: Agreement that we remove "default" from horizontal. We add a table for undefined (not mapped for all platforms). We mark it 1.1. Is that it? 19:59:13 JD: I'd also remove "scrollbar" (if that's the role) that is shown in Core AAM's "vertical" mapping. 19:59:16 https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#authorErrorDefaultValuesTable 19:59:31 JS: Is aria-orientation required for scrollbar? 19:59:39 JD: I *think* so. 19:59:59 JS: Then it would need to have an entry in the errors section. 20:00:18 JS: It all depends on whether it is required or not. 20:02:08 https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#scrollbar 20:04:15 BG: Because it says there is an implicit value, that suggests that functionally it is required. 20:05:46 JS: I will go through each of these roles, and if it's not in the "required" states and properties of the ARIA spec, I will not add it to the errors section of the Core AAM. 20:06:53 action: joseph to remove the current aria-orientation default value, and add mapping for aria-orientation is undefined, and modify the default-values-for-required-attributes author errors table as needed. 20:06:53 Created ACTION-2138 - Remove the current aria-orientation default value, and add mapping for aria-orientation is undefined, and modify the default-values-for-required-attributes author errors table as needed. [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2017-04-25]. 20:06:58 action-2138 20:06:58 action-2138 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Remove the current aria-orientation default value, and add mapping for aria-orientation is undefined, and modify the default-values-for-required-attributes author errors table as needed. -- due 2017-04-25 -- OPEN 20:06:59 http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2138 20:09:57 Zakim, part 20:09:57 leaving. 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