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16:39:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
16:39:42 <trackbot> Date: 13 April 2017
16:39:49 <joanie> chair: Joanmarie_Diggs
16:39:49 <joanie> RRSAgent, make log public
16:39:51 <joanie> agenda?
16:40:10 <joanie> agenda: this
16:40:10 <joanie> agenda+ Testable statements - Progress update
16:40:10 <joanie> agenda+ ATTAs - Progress update and integration of PYIA2 work
16:40:11 <joanie> agenda: be done
16:40:27 <joanie> agenda?
16:40:40 <joanie> scribeOptions: -final
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16:56:11 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:57:44 <clown_mtg> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
16:58:13 <jongund> present +jongund
17:03:36 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
17:04:04 <MichielBijl> present+
17:04:07 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
17:04:07 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Testable statements - Progress update" taken up [from joanie]
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17:04:31 <MichaelC> jd: ¨I never want to see testable statements again¨
17:04:45 <MichaelC> rs: working on knocking off a bunch
17:04:51 <MichaelC> Stefan has a bunch also
17:05:01 <MichaelC> Bryan has some assigned
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17:05:19 <Stefan> present+
17:05:54 <MichaelC> js: making progress through my tranche
17:06:29 <MichaelC> stalled by a question: there is a ¨should not expose descendants¨
17:07:16 <MichaelC> yet there is test for how UA exposes role
17:07:38 <MichaelC> how do I do this in the table?
17:07:52 <clown> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#children_presentational_true_.28HAS_NOTES.29
17:08:42 <MichaelC> jd: have test for checkbox and button with ID
17:08:47 <MichaelC> don´t have a way to track state
17:08:50 <MichaelC> but use a data attribute
17:08:54 <MichaelC> then get a property
17:09:03 <MichaelC> may need something from Shane to make this work
17:10:52 <MichaelC> <muses on a question to Shane>
17:11:14 <MichaelC> js: see different results on different UAs, because of SHOULD
17:12:24 <MichaelC> jd: will circle back
17:12:43 <MichaelC> js: will add button markup for you to use in your discussion
17:15:51 <MichaelC> <more noodling>
17:15:57 <MichaelC> jd: I have a really depressing hack
17:16:01 <MichaelC> <more noodling>
17:16:29 <MichaelC> js: I´ll wait until I know the official way
17:16:40 <MichaelC> jd: flag it in a really visible way
17:17:05 <MichaelC> rs: excluding js, bg, and ss test cases
17:17:07 <MichaelC> we have just 18 left
17:17:30 <MichaelC> jd: when I run test harness, I get 173 remaining
17:17:39 <MichaelC> haven´t separated assertions from statements in that number
17:17:50 <joanie> s/remaining/written and running/
17:17:51 <MichaelC> ss: how will I know mine work?
17:17:56 <MichaelC> rs: run through the test harness
17:18:02 <MichaelC> expect to find problems... typos...
17:18:10 <MichaelC> ss: JD will tell me?
17:18:14 <MichaelC> jd: yes
17:18:23 <joanie> https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements&action=history
17:18:46 <MichaelC> usually I just edit the wiki, with varying detail of change comments
17:19:09 <MichaelC> s/173 remaining/173 running/
17:20:05 <MichaelC> rs: so we´re doing well
17:20:18 <MichaelC> jd: though I was expecting to see more implementation success by this point
17:20:55 <MichaelC> some of the test failures are caused by a single issue
17:21:34 <MichaelC> so a single fix might fix a bunch of tests
17:21:44 <MichaelC> also tracking stuff that needs fixing in ATTA
17:22:02 <MichaelC> bg: is script required for state change?
17:22:17 <MichaelC> jd: look at example at top of testing page
17:22:41 <joanie> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#Example_.28Dont_Generate.29
17:25:04 <MichaelC> <some super duper technical stuff>
17:26:25 <MichaelC> bg: so script applied automatically, trying to understand based on what criteria
17:26:59 <MichaelC> rs: test harness sets things according to the data in the table row
17:27:15 <MichaelC> jd: test writer puts the info in the table row
17:27:56 <MichaelC> rs: so Bryan doesn´t have to worry about the script
17:28:02 <MichaelC> jd: but does have to fill in that table row
17:28:15 <MichaelC> rs: @@
17:28:29 <MichaelC> jd: to be clear, describing in prose isn´t sufficient; need the table row
17:28:36 <MichaelC> rs: gave examples, so should have what you need
17:28:52 <MichaelC> specify what attribute on what element set to what value
17:29:24 <MichaelC> bg: two things could change
17:29:54 <MichaelC> so which version do I pick?
17:30:39 <MichaelC> rs: the one with not required feature we don´t test
17:31:38 <MichaelC> mc: separate into separate tests
17:31:48 <MichaelC> mb: test harness is very unit focused
17:31:53 <MichaelC> so break up the units
17:32:30 <MichaelC> mc: better too have too many tests than too few
17:32:39 <MichaelC> bg: just don´t want to overlook a use case
17:33:56 <MichaelC> rs: so you need extra tests?
17:34:03 <MichaelC> bh: guess so, trying to figure out
17:34:11 <MichaelC> mc: write one test, copy it, tweak, there´s your second
17:34:34 <MichaelC> rs: so, how long to complete?
17:34:56 <MichaelC> hopefully in next week or so barring bugs
17:35:26 <MichaelC> for test cases
17:35:35 <MichaelC> mc: and to have them all run for CR?
17:35:45 <MichaelC> jd: am filing bugs against UAs as I go
17:35:59 <MichaelC> I am running tests hundred types per day on multiple platforms
17:36:05 <MichaelC> s/types/times/
17:36:49 <MichaelC> mc: so we can run full test suite?
17:37:22 <janina> present+
17:37:35 <MichaelC> jd: where ATTA exists
17:37:44 <MichaelC> next agendum is to discuss that
17:38:26 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
17:38:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ATTAs - Progress update and integration of PYIA2 work" taken up [from joanie]
17:39:10 <MichaelC> jg: here with two students
17:39:19 <MichaelC> working in IA2 interface for an ATTA
17:39:23 <MichaelC> have a working interface
17:39:36 <MichaelC> now need to figure out which ones needed by the ATTA
17:39:44 <MichaelC> so plug in PYIA2 into ATTA
17:40:04 <MichaelC> jd: still maintaining code though it´s more stable than it was
17:40:51 <MichaelC> so let´s go through the technical details
17:41:01 <MichaelC> <not formally scribed here on>
17:41:13 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
17:41:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/13-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
17:45:50 <jongund> Bei
17:45:57 <jongund> Naijing
17:46:09 <joanie> https://github.com/Spec-Ops/web-platform-tests/blob/atk-atspi-atta/wai-aria/tools/atta_request_handler.py
17:49:23 <joanie> https://github.com/Spec-Ops/web-platform-tests/blob/atk-atspi-atta/wai-aria/tools/atk_atta.py
17:49:39 <joanie> https://github.com/Spec-Ops/web-platform-tests/blob/atk-atspi-atta/wai-aria/tools/atk_atta.py#L74
17:50:30 <joanie> https://github.com/Spec-Ops/web-platform-tests/blob/atk-atspi-atta/wai-aria/tools/atk_atta.py#L660
17:52:16 <joanie> https://github.com/Spec-Ops/web-platform-tests/blob/atk-atspi-atta/wai-aria/tools/atta_base.py
17:59:08 <joanie> https://github.com/Spec-Ops/web-platform-tests/blob/atk-atspi-atta/wai-aria/tools/atta_assertion.py
18:05:00 <joanie> https://github.com/Spec-Ops/web-platform-tests/blob/atk-atspi-atta/wai-aria/tools/atta_base.py
18:29:55 <MichielBijl> RRSagent, make minutes
18:29:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/04/13-aria-minutes.html MichielBijl
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